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True swords have released it. The Damascus Blade

Post by Pierrot » Thu Sep 28, 2006 7:44 am

although i can see some bits which do not match up to the original damacus blade (firstly it being made of damacus - yes damacus exists) and also the fact that it has a metal/oak frame.



http://www.trueswords.com/angel-alita-d ... -2570.html

link to the sword ;)
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Post by curly haired boy » Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:07 pm

:shock: :shock: :twisted: :twisted: i must have it....

that's amazing! :)

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Post by ^Ripper » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:13 pm

:shock:
"Thats not a knife? THIS IS A FUCKING KNIFE!!!"

Must....buy....

Only a few problems... no CC, shipping costs, customs bitching it being a weapon..., posibility of being a bit illegal especially if its sharp as they claim.
Otherwise :D

Imagine yourself swinging that on an anime con (cross)dressed as Alita.

I would like to see the video where the police squad asks you to "put down the blade" while pointing their guns at you.

Why wont they accept paypal ;_; ...

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Post by Pierrot » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:41 pm

lol, you chuck an Alita and just slice their heads off :)
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Post by hojrak » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:15 pm

Holly mother of Damacus Blade :P :lol: Its great blade , im love it xD:D
This blade is amazing!!! I want this blade :P xDyeahhhhhhhhhh!!!
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Post by Hadou Kaen » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:06 am

to bad the art of making real damascus blades have been lost throughout the ages, or that would be one badass butterfly knife errr butterfly sword

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Post by Nepoproxy » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:36 am

I bought that blade a while back. The quality could be better. It's sharp but the edge they put on it is a little blunt. I've been thinking about doing some work to it. I think I'd like it better if it was blued and the wood was darker, and maybe if it had a little more of a used feel. The wood needs to have the little lines like in some of the other pics in the manga. IMO anyway. :roll:

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damast steel and damascus swords

Post by banzai » Sat May 05, 2007 1:51 pm

first of all, this is my first post
i'm dennis from the netherlands
I loved the manga series and many tnx for the scanlations

now back to the subject.

damascus is the capitol city of syria and only a little bit to do with these kind of blades. the name of this steel is damast.

damast steel has it's origins in india (wootz) and is also known as wootzsteel. it is made from contaminated iron (vanadium and carbon contamination). it first came to Europe trough merchants from Damascus.
the little bastards sold it of course as Damascus swords.
the forging technique is the same as in samurai swords. by using this contaminated iron ore you'll get a much harder and flexible blade. when etching the blade with acid, the line's will become visible.
at the beginning of the 19th century the production of these swords stopped because the only mine the produced the right ore for these kind of swords had dried up. in 1980 the damast steel was reconstructed by professor John Verhoeven of the University of Iowa and an Californian forger, Alfred Pendray.

damascus: wikipedia
damast: original german site , translated to english
Hadou Kaen wrote:to bad the art of making real damascus blades have been lost throughout the ages, or that would be one badass butterfly knife errr butterfly sword
damast is very well known in the forging community.
I've seen a catalog with preforged slabs of damast steel in various sizes. just forge of grind it in the desired shape ad polish it and you can make your own battle angel sword.

^Ripper wrote:customs bitching it being a weapon..., possibility of being a bit illegal especially if its sharp as they claim
if you want a real reenactment version just contact stienen damast in Germany.
i only know this for Europe, but as long as it's not a sharp sword it will be seen as a stage attribute and can even be worn at conventions and other events.
if it's sharp, transport is not a problem. the only problem is taking it out in public.

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Re: damast steel and damascus swords

Post by Batousai » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:50 pm

banzai wrote:first of all, this is my first post
i'm dennis from the netherlands
I loved the manga series and many tnx for the scanlations

now back to the subject.

damascus is the capitol city of syria and only a little bit to do with these kind of blades. the name of this steel is damast.

damast steel has it's origins in india (wootz) and is also known as wootzsteel. it is made from contaminated iron (vanadium and carbon contamination). it first came to Europe trough merchants from Damascus.
the little bastards sold it of course as Damascus swords.
the forging technique is the same as in samurai swords. by using this contaminated iron ore you'll get a much harder and flexible blade. when etching the blade with acid, the line's will become visible.
at the beginning of the 19th century the production of these swords stopped because the only mine the produced the right ore for these kind of swords had dried up. in 1980 the damast steel was reconstructed by professor John Verhoeven of the University of Iowa and an Californian forger, Alfred Pendray.

damascus: wikipedia
damast: original german site , translated to english
Hadou Kaen wrote:to bad the art of making real damascus blades have been lost throughout the ages, or that would be one badass butterfly knife errr butterfly sword
damast is very well known in the forging community.
I've seen a catalog with preforged slabs of damast steel in various sizes. just forge of grind it in the desired shape ad polish it and you can make your own battle angel sword.

^Ripper wrote:customs bitching it being a weapon..., possibility of being a bit illegal especially if its sharp as they claim
if you want a real reenactment version just contact stienen damast in Germany.
i only know this for Europe, but as long as it's not a sharp sword it will be seen as a stage attribute and can even be worn at conventions and other events.
if it's sharp, transport is not a problem. the only problem is taking it out in public.

umm... I hope you'll not flame me for this post, but I feel the need to share some knowlegde in this matter:

first of all, the damast steel or damascend blades that are being sold today are NOT the real deal. And how can I be so sure of that, you probably ask. Ok, it's not like I'm a master blacksmith, but I do know a thing or two about physics and chemistry (what applies to this matter is molecular structures) and I also know the difference between making a damascus blade and a japanese sword, it's two totally different techniques...

now back to the thing about damascus steel... it's true that the scientists believe that damascus steel was originally created from wootz, but not just any kind of wootz. The ore used in damascus steel shared some of the ingredients in wootz, but there are a couple of other impurities in damascus steel as well, leading most to believe that the ore used for damascus blades is something very similar to wootz, but with those extra materials...
Swords made from wootz are known to be strong and durable, but what makes damascus steel so unique is it's molecular structure, which is full of nano-tubes and other microscopic structures. Actually, noone has been able to successfully explain exactly how these structures were created, considering that they were created a very long time ago. The only reasonable explanation is that some materials in the ore reacted in a very strange way to form these nano-structures.

The thing about the so called modern damascus blades is that they weren't made the same way as the original damascus swords.
Scientists suspect that the blacksmiths of damascus ran out of the special ore used to create damascus blades and so the knowledge of how to create on became uneeded. Therefore it wasn't passed on anymore and was lost, meaning nobody knows how the original steel were created.
The... things... called damascus knifes and swords that are sold today are made using a totally different technique, one that forges multiple layers of steel together, creating very strong and hard, but somewhat flexible steel.
Thís technique is found in the making of, for instance, japanese swords.
However, japanese swordsmiths have taken this a step further by using different types of clay together with heating to create certain characteristics for specific areas fo the blade, making the length of the blade even more flexible and the tip very hard. In addition, the edge is harder than the back, due to the different steel types used.

If you bothered to read this far: Congratulations! You have an incredible patience!

If not and you simply scrolled to the bottom of this post: The conclusion is real damascus steel does not exist today, simply because noone knows how to make it...

However, if someone were to rediscover the original technique, I would be very interested in asking him to make me a sword...
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Post by Batousai » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:14 pm

Nepoproxy wrote:I bought that blade a while back. The quality could be better. It's sharp but the edge they put on it is a little blunt. I've been thinking about doing some work to it. I think I'd like it better if it was blued and the wood was darker, and maybe if it had a little more of a used feel. The wood needs to have the little lines like in some of the other pics in the manga. IMO anyway. :roll:
In terms of visual experience and feel, I'd say it looks like it's way off the mark. I would like the handle(s) to be made of blackened steel and the blade to have a welled surface. In other words, just like the one in the manga.
Although in that case, the weight will be significally increased, plus the blade would be much more expensive to make, since you would have to actually forge each blade by hand....

by the way, if the blade had been made out of high quality carbon steel instead of mass produced stainless crap the price would have been at least $100 or more...
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Post by Vega2503 » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:40 pm

I have it and I wish it was more actual size...but it weighs enough already.

I should make a butterfly knife attachment for the wooden damascus blade I made.

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Post by Batousai » Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:33 am

well, i don't know how big it is, but you must also consider that Alita isn't that big physically (mentally is a whole other story...), so a weapon that looks huge in her hands might not be that huge when compared to someone bigger...
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Post by Vega2503 » Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:19 pm

No, even if it was scaled to her size, it would still be bigger than the replica.

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Post by denzacar » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:58 pm

Vega2503 wrote:No, even if it was scaled to her size, it would still be bigger than the replica.
Yup.

Replica's blade is 18 inches long (around 45 cm).
Which makes it about 3/4 of the length it should have, since the motorball ball is 30 cm in diameter.

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Post by Vega2503 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:30 am

That's not the right one, though...the one in that pic is one of 2 that were fused together to make the good version...but it's still small.

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Post by denzacar » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:13 pm

Vega2503 wrote:That's not the right one, though...the one in that pic is one of 2 that were fused together to make the good version...but it's still small.
I just placed that there as an easy example.
Feel free to compare the length of the blade in the later part of the manga using Alita's head (only part of her body that does not change its size and shape) for reference.


Kishiro didn't really bother with exactness. One moment blade tip is up to her ears, the other its up to her shoulders. Thickness varies from panel to panel too.
Although... length-wise they are probably the same.


A. Blacksmith made two blades into one of similar dimensions. Considering that the new blade is stronger, most of the metal probably went into its thickness/strength - not its length.

B. Would you go into your "Ultimate Battle" with your weapon shorter/longer than before? As if the change in balance (weight shift to one side) is not enough.


Later on, factory bots just added the foldable handle to the blade.
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