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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Sergio Nova » Mon May 29, 2017 3:35 am

kamugin wrote:Her name is written in katakana, a phonetic sistem reserved to foreign words, however katakana is very bad to convey sounds from another languages since the phonetic characteres of the japanese doesn't represent simple sounds, like the Roman alphabet, but a vowel or a consonant plus a vowel sound.
Whatever! Lilian Olsen should have asked the author himself or, knowing that the language on Mars is German, it would also be interesting to ask the German publishers, supposing she had never heard the name (I, being a sort of a redneck - actually, a caipira - heard it several times when I was a kid). If she had simply opted for a direct transcription, she would have written Gerda, nevertheless.

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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by kamugin » Mon May 29, 2017 4:23 am

Sergio Nova wrote: Whatever! Lilian Olsen should have asked the author himself or, knowing that the language on Mars is German, it would also be interesting to ask the German publishers, supposing she had never heard the name (I, being a sort of a redneck - actually, a caipira - heard it several times when I was a kid). If she had simply opted for a direct transcription, she would have written Gerda, nevertheless.
Yes, she should. All of them should ask the fucking authors more often. :| However a direct transcription should be "Geruda", as I have written before. It is interesting to notice a few things about how languages in foreign countries / worlds are usually showed in manga and anime - it is the same thing or worse than in Holywood movies in general - after a few words are exchanged in the native language, everybody, by some kind of magic, starts speaking Japanese! So I am not sure if Yukito's martians speaks actual German or another language (Japanese) with a strong influence of the German language. By the way, which languages they speak respectively in Scrapyard, Typhares and Ketheres?
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Sergio Nova » Mon May 29, 2017 4:48 am

kamugin wrote:By the way, which languages they speak respectively in Scrapyard, Typhares and Ketheres?
The Scrapyard/Tiphares/Ketheres and even Ladder language is English; Mars language is German; Venus language is French; and Jupiter language is Russian.
The language on the Moon has never been mentioned, if I am not mistaken, but it must probably be English as well, once it is part of the Earth, under direct influence of the Ladder, but the Japanese language is extinct, I think, once the only place on Earth that used to speak it, Japan itself, disappeared after the gigantic tsunami generated by the geocatastrophe that destroyed civilization (as previewed by the Mayan calendar).
Up to now, there is no information about languages like Mandarin, Spanish or Portuguese.

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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by kamugin » Mon May 29, 2017 4:54 am

Sergio Nova wrote:The Scrapyard/Tiphares/Ketheres and even Ladder language is English; Mars language is German; Venus language is French; and Jupiter language is Russian.
Thank you for the enlightening, so I suppose Alita speaks at least English and German fluently.

However wait there! I remember that Doc Ido's clinic sign was written in German, so the subject is open for debate. Yukito may have fixed things after in some king of enciclopedia?
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Sergio Nova » Tue May 30, 2017 2:34 am

kamugin wrote: However wait there! I remember that Doc Ido's clinic sign was written in German, so the subject is open for debate. Yukito may have fixed things after in some king of enciclopedia?
The tuned units, as Sechs, Elf and Zwölf were named/numbered in German, so I believe it is legitimate to interpret that the other units are were also named/numbered in German, as Zhen/Ten, whose throat was torn by Fury; Zwei/Two, who almost killed the original; and Vier/Four, killed by Sechs. With this, I would say that when the tuned units we created Kishiro had not thought yet about Martian language and just later would decided that it would be German, but then again I remember that since the beginning it is clear that Gally Yoko is Martian and her fight style - Panzer Kunst - is named in German, so, it is difficult to explain the tuned. Maybe he will present an explanation before the conclusion of the series.

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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Silvery » Tue May 30, 2017 3:22 pm

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Silvery wrote:I like Michelle Rodriguez (though I'm not sure if she fits the role of Gerda well)
Another bad choice to add to the pile. For Gerda's role I would chose Emily Blunt for her performance in "Edge of Tomorrow", she is more like her. However how can they put Gerda in this? As I feared, they will fit too many elements into the script and it will be a disaster. After the flop, they will blame us, the fans, like they did in the case of Ghost in The Shell - "The fans rejected the movie, they have spreaded bad comments in social media" and so on.

By the way, I noticed that Jennifer Connelly, one of my favorite actresses, is in the cast, however doing the role of Chiren, a character of the damned OAV! If compressing four entire volumes in one movie wasn't enough, they also brought elements from the OAVs?! That's it guys, disaster ensues, the asteroid is in route of collision, nothing can stop it. Curse you Kishiro! You were there and did nothing to fix this!
Yeah, I mentioned the OVA material earlier in that post.

As for Rodriguez, I think it's too early to decide whether she's a bad choice. Would Emily Blunt be a better choice? Skill-wise, I don't know, so far I haven't seen her in a movie that I would like (the aforementioned Edge of Tomorrow being another example of Hollywood finding the source material hard to adapt and understand... well, at least it's only mediocre instead of being an atrocity). Physically? Hmm, maybe her face makes me think of Gerda more, but I don't really care about her nationality or race. After all, characters get whitewashed all the time, and you could also apply here one of the most popular arguments regarding the casting of Johansson as the Major - "she's a cyborg, she can look like anyone". ;)

Cut Kishiro some slack, though; it's no news that usually the authors have little to no control over the adaptations of their works, especially if it's Hollywood.
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by kamugin » Tue May 30, 2017 7:47 pm

Silvery wrote:After all, characters get whitewashed all the time, and you could also apply here one of the most popular arguments regarding the casting of Johansson as the Major - "she's a cyborg, she can look like anyone". ;)

Cut Kishiro some slack, though; it's no news that usually the authors have little to no control over the adaptations of their works, especially if it's Hollywood.
Johansson was miserably rejected, that argument convinced nobody. I woudn't get inflexible to the point of saying that roles like Kusanagi and Alita should be performed by women of Asian ascendence, however any chosen actress MUST bear resemblance to the character, a CLOSE resemblance. My dream would be such wonderful matchings like Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker or Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, however cases like these are very rare.

And Yukito is a bitch, he would sell his ass for pennies. :|
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Silvery » Wed May 31, 2017 7:13 pm

kamugin wrote:Johansson was miserably rejected, that argument convinced nobody. I woudn't get inflexible to the point of saying that roles like Kusanagi and Alita should be performed by women of Asian ascendence, however any chosen actress MUST bear resemblance to the character, a CLOSE resemblance. My dream would be such wonderful matchings like Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker or Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, however cases like these are very rare.

And Yukito is a bitch, he would sell his ass for pennies. :|
I'm not saying that I'm behind this argument, on the contrary. But it *did* convince a great amount of people, a lot of them rather unpleasant ones.

>such wonderful matchings like Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker
No offense, but nope. I can understand liking Tom Holland as Spidey, though.

If Yukito would be willing to sell his ass, we would've gotten a proper Gunnm anime years ago. ;)
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Post by kamugin » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:14 am

Silvery wrote: >such wonderful matchings like Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker
No offense, but nope. I can understand liking Tom Holland as Spidey, though.

If Yukito would be willing to sell his ass, we would've gotten a proper Gunnm anime years ago. ;)
To me Tobey Maguire wasn't only showing a good performance, it was as if he became Parker himself, but I suppose you can't please everybody, no matter how good is your work :|

On the contrary, as Kishiro said in an interview years ago, he was precipitated to accept a proposal for an anime version and the result was bad. I bet he haven't received new offers for a new anime after that. Probably Cameron's representatives even didn't had time to finish the word "movie" and he was already signing the contract.
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by 00_unit » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:42 am

kamugin wrote:
Silvery wrote: >such wonderful matchings like Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker
No offense, but nope. I can understand liking Tom Holland as Spidey, though.

If Yukito would be willing to sell his ass, we would've gotten a proper Gunnm anime years ago. ;)
To me Tobey Maguire wasn't only showing a good performance, it was as if he became Parker himself, but I suppose you can't please everybody, no matter how good is your work :|

On the contrary, as Kishiro said in an interview years ago, he was precipitated to accept a proposal for an anime version and the result was bad. I bet he haven't received new offers for a new anime after that. Probably Cameron's representatives even didn't had time to finish the word "movie" and he was already signing the contract.
That's really interesting and it also contradict his earlier behaviour in 2012, it was mentioned how he gave up a month's worth of salary money for the earthquake incident as charity and even offered readers free chapters for a limited time, I wonder how his behaviour change through out the times. That doesn't sound very greedy but maybe people change

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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Sergio Nova » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:52 pm

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kamugin wrote:That's really interesting and it also contradict his earlier behaviour in 2012, it was mentioned how he gave up a month's worth of salary money for the earthquake incident as charity and even offered readers free chapters for a limited time, I wonder how his behaviour change through out the times. That doesn't sound very greedy but maybe people change
Legend says that after seeing the piece of shit the first (and only) anime was, Kishiro declared that he would not authorize again any adaptation of his work. Along the years, he received several proposals, and then he decided not to respond to inquiries, simply.
Then, James Cameron entered the stage. Cameron would have tried to contact Kishiro through the American publishers (Viz, at the time), who contacted Shûeisha, but the responsible editor would have said that it would be a waste of time, as Kishiro would not consider any sort of proposal.
Insisting, Cameron went to Japan and contacted the responsible editor, who made an "accidental" encounter, with an interpreter, when Cameron made the proposal. Initially, Kishiro did not like the "surprise," and told Cameron that it would be impossible to make such a live action film, as the necessary technology did not exist, simply. Cameron responded that he was developing the technology and that he would present it to Kishiro before anything, and that the film would be made only after his approval.
The development of such technology cost a fortune, and in order to test it (and show the visual results), Cameron made Avatar. The film is ridiculous (a sort of intergalactic Pocahontas), but the technology is impeccable, and Kishiro had no excuse to say that no one would be able to make the film. Also, it is said that Cameron paid an absurd amount (not revealed) for the rights, and Kishiro immediately became a millionaire.

That is the legend. What we know is that the part about Avatar is real. The unexpected was the success Avatar made, and then Cameron had to postpone the production of BAA. At least, that is the official version. I do believe that Cameron decided to hire a director able to direct actors with strong characters (Excuse me, fans, but Cameron's movies have never had direction of actors, but only FX, and BAA characters need a real director - and Cameron became a fan of BAA exactly because of the strong characters.)

Many people complain about the choice, but I do agree that Robert Rodriguez is a master in the direction of actors, and Cameron himself will be responsible for the production, so we could say that the film will be great - although I insist that Michelle Rodriguez playing Gerda is a sort of bad taste joke.

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Post by kamugin » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:06 am

Sergio Nova wrote: Many people complain about the choice, but I do agree that Robert Rodriguez is a master in the direction of actors, and Cameron himself will be responsible for the production, so we could say that the film will be great
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Post by Sergio Nova » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:46 am

kamugin wrote: I'm taking note of this, man, and I'll make you remember these words when the time comes!
No problem! I'm not in politics. I always remember what I say. Just remember that I am referring to the direction of actors (and, thus, to the strength of the characters). I haven't seen anything about the script.

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Post by Chrome » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:04 am

Just thought i'd add some thoughts:

- Rodriguez directing may not be a big surprise. I've read somewhere that Kishiro is a big fan of Miller's work, but in particular of the live action version of Sin City. Can't remember where, but this may mean Kishiro had *some* say in who should direct (as Rodriguez directed that rather succesful adaptation).

- A good adaptation does not blindly and strictly follow the source material. A good comic is not automatically the perfect storyboard and script for a movie, a good book is not automatically the perfect script. What works on a static page may not always work in a live action, moving version.

- Given that this is Cameron, he has the clout to make the movie as long as he likes. Avatar was over 2,5 hours long and i strongly suspect that Alita won't be a 90 minute condensed popularized version like for example GitS turned out to be.

Cameron wants to make a trilogy of Alita movies, so it makes sense to get as much of the original story in there as he can. What doesn't make sense is tunnel vision which some fans may have, thinking that *every single bit* of the source material is important and should be in the movie. As some have said, thats simply way too much! We may not even see Hugo for another 5 movies otherwise...

Given that this may be a 2,5-3 hour movie, it has the room to include the first 4 volumes. Remember that they are, in essence, the first big character arc for Alita, as they are *all* about discovering herself. They follow a fairly straight trajectory. She firstly comes to terms with her existence and learns about relationships. She discovers her emotions, falling in love and finding out how it can work with her situation. She then focuses solely on discovering her past until she reaches the point where she can move forward again after defeating Jashugan.

I'm kind of expecting Makaku to be left out entirely. His storyline is not critical to the plot and may be too macabre for the general audience. This may sound strange to fans, but if you look at it from an outsiders perspective i think you'll see my point. It makes the story too complicated and dense for the movie. Whatever you think of a movie, remember that it will be about *Alita* first and foremost, and not any of the other characters. Sure, Ido and Hugo will have big roles, but they are not the focus.


The story will most likely go a little like this for the first half with some very rough time estimations:

Opening:

Ido discovers Alita, her brain in stasis. He takes her back to rebuild her. Limbs are added part by part. Just as in the manga, Alita then discovers Ido's dark secret (establishing hunter warriors and alluding to his past as a Tipharean), as well as her latent combat skills (and maybe the berserker body). It's likely that motorball is also introduced around this point to set up the later developments. (20 minutes).

She then decides to become a hunter-warrior, and meets Hugo at around the same time, doing odd jobs around the place (establishing their romance). Here Hugo's dream of reaching Tiphares is also established. (20 minutes)

Middle:

She may be hunting a big game, and comes to conflict about it with Zapan, establishing other hunter warriors aside from her and Ido, as well as her future conflict. The big game itself is not relevant persé, as it only serves to have Zapan enter the story so he can then set up Hugo's big hunt. (20 minutes )

After the mid-movie action sequence involving a fight with Zapan and Hugo's death (which may not happen on the cables, only his connection to Tiphares is important, maybe Zapan even kills Hugo for the bounty himself), Alita goes into melt-down and joins Motorball to discover more about her combat abilities. (20 minutes)

End:

Volumes 3 and 4 are actually rather easy to condense into about 60 minutes of live action movie, because most of the manga is actually just action scenes. Motivations which are spoken aloud or thought there only need to be shown in possible mere seconds to achieve the same effect in a movie. Alita learns more about her combat potential and some memories of Mars, with Jashugan possibly taking on a more direct role as her mentor here rather than a semi-antagonist. Ido's subplot of 'winning her back' may not make it as it makes the story more complicated than it needs to be (remember, focus is on Alita and his subplot does not add anything to the overarching plot about her development).


Anyway, this is about what i think it will be like, given the information we have now. I'm sure that things will change, for better or for worse, but what people *have to* remember is that a 1 to 1 translation will never happen unless Kishiro commissions a full length anime series (the only way it could happen). EDIT: According to IMDB, Kayna and Chiren are in the movie, and i strongly suspect Haley might play Nova unless they found a place for Makaku after all. This does throw the above into question.

For a live action movie, the story and action need to follow the same thread throughout the movie. You cannot sidetrack the audience all the time and worldbuilding needs to be done *during* the main plot and through the visuals, not via stories which have no further impact on the plot as a whole.

The one thing i'm struggling with is Koyomi and how she fits in here, especially as she's supposed to be an adult already. I can only imagine that her role in the movie is actually to give Alita a "friend" as it were (a role no one else, even in the manga, fullfilled actually), in order to set up her 'betrayal' later on with barjack and Den.

As i am writing this here, remember that Cameron and his buddies now have had almost 20 years to refine the script, and he is supposed to be a fan... The first teaser/trailer should at least give an indication of what it's going to be, so lets be patient and hope for the best :)
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Sergio Nova » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:34 am

Chrome wrote:A good adaptation does not blindly and strictly follow the source material. A good comic is not automatically the perfect storyboard and script for a movie, a good book is not automatically the perfect script. What works on a static page may not always work in a live action, moving version.
If you consider the way Rodriguez adapted Sin City to the screen, you will have to agree that it is possible to preserve the original work. On the other hand, if you saw V for Vendetta you will promptly agree that heinous crimes do exist.
Chrome wrote: I'm kind of expecting Makaku to be left out entirely. His storyline is not critical to the plot and may be too macabre for the general audience. This may sound strange to fans, but if you look at it from an outsiders perspective i think you'll see my point. It makes the story too complicated and dense for the movie. Whatever you think of a movie, remember that it will be about *Alita* first and foremost, and not any of the other characters. Sure, Ido and Hugo will have big roles, but they are not the focus.
I have to admit that you make sense.
Chrome wrote:I'm sure that things will change, for better or for worse, but what people *have to* remember is that a 1 to 1 translation will never happen unless Kishiro commissions a full length anime series (the only way it could happen).
I remember to have read somewhere that Kishiro sold all the movie/anime rights to Cameron, so he will not licence anyone else.

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Post by kamugin » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:08 am

@Chrome
Impressive, it was like trying foresee the outcome of WWII after seeing just the initial success of the blitzkrieg :|
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Chrome » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:12 am

Sergio Nova wrote:
Chrome wrote:A good adaptation does not blindly and strictly follow the source material. A good comic is not automatically the perfect storyboard and script for a movie, a good book is not automatically the perfect script. What works on a static page may not always work in a live action, moving version.
If you consider the way Rodriguez adapted Sin City to the screen, you will have to agree that it is possible to preserve the original work. On the other hand, if you saw V for Vendetta you will promptly agree that heinous crimes do exist.

Sin City wasn't quite the same as it was on the page. It's exactly why i brought it up, along with the fact that Rodriguez is directing :)

Even 300 wasn't really a page-for-page adaptation. It used the imagery but paced itself quite differently for example.

To see how a 1 to 1 adaptation can go wrong, we can stick with the Miller theme and go straight to The Spirit. Ironically, this was the one directed by Miller himself.



As far as Alita goes, i just noticed that apparently Kayna is in the movie, as is Chiren. That said, i'm not really sure whether to trust imdb on everything because an actress (!) is listed as playing a socket soldier. That said, if Haley plays Nova, that'd be sweet, but i don't know what's going on with the story in that case unless Cameron and Rodriguez want to mix it up quite a bit and set up every character in the trilogy up front.

I'm also now wondering whether hunter-warriors will even be mentioned at all, as it's a type of character you only really see in the first 2 volumes and then never again (they are sidelined in 5 at best).

I may look into this a bit further and check the confirmed facts about the movie against the OVA and volume 1-4... Maybe i can distill something that makes more sense. Although somehow i get the sneaking suspicion that the studio gets its hands on the script and gives it a GitS style americanization makeover (despite the fact that Alita already plays in what used to be the US lol).

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Post by 00_unit » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:58 am

Chrome wrote:Just thought i'd add some thoughts:

- Rodriguez directing may not be a big surprise. I've read somewhere that Kishiro is a big fan of Miller's work, but in particular of the live action version of Sin City. Can't remember where, but this may mean Kishiro had *some* say in who should direct (as Rodriguez directed that rather succesful adaptation).

- A good adaptation does not blindly and strictly follow the source material. A good comic is not automatically the perfect storyboard and script for a movie, a good book is not automatically the perfect script. What works on a static page may not always work in a live action, moving version.

- Given that this is Cameron, he has the clout to make the movie as long as he likes. Avatar was over 2,5 hours long and i strongly suspect that Alita won't be a 90 minute condensed popularized version like for example GitS turned out to be.

Cameron wants to make a trilogy of Alita movies, so it makes sense to get as much of the original story in there as he can. What doesn't make sense is tunnel vision which some fans may have, thinking that *every single bit* of the source material is important and should be in the movie. As some have said, thats simply way too much! We may not even see Hugo for another 5 movies otherwise...

Given that this may be a 2,5-3 hour movie, it has the room to include the first 4 volumes. Remember that they are, in essence, the first big character arc for Alita, as they are *all* about discovering herself. They follow a fairly straight trajectory. She firstly comes to terms with her existence and learns about relationships. She discovers her emotions, falling in love and finding out how it can work with her situation. She then focuses solely on discovering her past until she reaches the point where she can move forward again after defeating Jashugan.

I'm kind of expecting Makaku to be left out entirely. His storyline is not critical to the plot and may be too macabre for the general audience. This may sound strange to fans, but if you look at it from an outsiders perspective i think you'll see my point. It makes the story too complicated and dense for the movie. Whatever you think of a movie, remember that it will be about *Alita* first and foremost, and not any of the other characters. Sure, Ido and Hugo will have big roles, but they are not the focus.


The story will most likely go a little like this for the first half with some very rough time estimations:

Opening:

Ido discovers Alita, her brain in stasis. He takes her back to rebuild her. Limbs are added part by part. Just as in the manga, Alita then discovers Ido's dark secret (establishing hunter warriors and alluding to his past as a Tipharean), as well as her latent combat skills (and maybe the berserker body). It's likely that motorball is also introduced around this point to set up the later developments. (20 minutes).

She then decides to become a hunter-warrior, and meets Hugo at around the same time, doing odd jobs around the place (establishing their romance). Here Hugo's dream of reaching Tiphares is also established. (20 minutes)

Middle:

She may be hunting a big game, and comes to conflict about it with Zapan, establishing other hunter warriors aside from her and Ido, as well as her future conflict. The big game itself is not relevant persé, as it only serves to have Zapan enter the story so he can then set up Hugo's big hunt. (20 minutes )

After the mid-movie action sequence involving a fight with Zapan and Hugo's death (which may not happen on the cables, only his connection to Tiphares is important, maybe Zapan even kills Hugo for the bounty himself), Alita goes into melt-down and joins Motorball to discover more about her combat abilities. (20 minutes)

End:

Volumes 3 and 4 are actually rather easy to condense into about 60 minutes of live action movie, because most of the manga is actually just action scenes. Motivations which are spoken aloud or thought there only need to be shown in possible mere seconds to achieve the same effect in a movie. Alita learns more about her combat potential and some memories of Mars, with Jashugan possibly taking on a more direct role as her mentor here rather than a semi-antagonist. Ido's subplot of 'winning her back' may not make it as it makes the story more complicated than it needs to be (remember, focus is on Alita and his subplot does not add anything to the overarching plot about her development).


Anyway, this is about what i think it will be like, given the information we have now. I'm sure that things will change, for better or for worse, but what people *have to* remember is that a 1 to 1 translation will never happen unless Kishiro commissions a full length anime series (the only way it could happen). EDIT: According to IMDB, Kayna and Chiren are in the movie, and i strongly suspect Haley might play Nova unless they found a place for Makaku after all. This does throw the above into question.

For a live action movie, the story and action need to follow the same thread throughout the movie. You cannot sidetrack the audience all the time and worldbuilding needs to be done *during* the main plot and through the visuals, not via stories which have no further impact on the plot as a whole.

The one thing i'm struggling with is Koyomi and how she fits in here, especially as she's supposed to be an adult already. I can only imagine that her role in the movie is actually to give Alita a "friend" as it were (a role no one else, even in the manga, fullfilled actually), in order to set up her 'betrayal' later on with barjack and Den.

As i am writing this here, remember that Cameron and his buddies now have had almost 20 years to refine the script, and he is supposed to be a fan... The first teaser/trailer should at least give an indication of what it's going to be, so lets be patient and hope for the best :)
I agree with this point in general, I personally know that you have to follow source material 100% to be good, but Read it and understand what makes the series so praised, then make a movie with a different storyline but still capture the main appeal of the source material in the first place.

Good examples of series that does this are the Rurouni Kenshin (live action trilogy) and the fullmetal alchemist adaptation anime, or even some of those superhero tv series, they don't copy the source material 100%.they do is make a new storyline that still hasn't strayed away from the source materials main themes, tone and atmosphere. That's what I believe

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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Pablolein » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:33 pm

00_unit wrote:Just thought i'd add some thoughts:6
I agree with this point in general, I personally know that you have to follow source material 100% to be good, but Read it and understand what makes the series so praised, then make a movie with a different storyline but still capture the main appeal of the source material in the first place.

Good examples of series that does this are the Rurouni Kenshin (live action trilogy) and the fullmetal alchemist adaptation anime, or even some of those superhero tv series, they don't copy the source material 100%.they do is make a new storyline that still hasn't strayed away from the source materials main themes, tone and atmosphere. That's what I believe
I also agree with this, the most important thing is to be faithful to the characters and the spirit of the source material, instead of just copying every arc and situation from it (which I believe would be a mistake in most cases). I even prefer to see new takes on the original stories, as long as they keep the spirit. But honestly, I'm afraid they're going the wrong way with Alita, and instead of adapting the first story arc from the manga, they're making a live action from the OVAs. I would understand using Makkaku and the Hunter Warriors as the main story, while Alita finds a place of her own through the first battles, introducing Hugo, Zapan and ultimately Desty Nova after the last fight, preparing the field to at least a sequel with Hugo's death story. But the whole Hugo teaching motorball thing? I don't see a fit for that so early on the story, I think it wouldn't make sense, and it's a hint that they're putting too much information that could result in a mess.

I hope I'm wrong and we get a decent adaptation, respectful of the characters we all love, but I'm afraid it won't be the case.
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by gilsand » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:14 am

To some of you here I have a quote from Isaac Asimov concerning critics,
"A critic is like a eunuch in a harem, he can discuss the action, and the many fine points but he actually can't do it himself".

First, some preproduction artwork for Battle Angel was posted here, over a year or so ago, so you'll have to search the archives, (no I'm not going to do it for you). But it is there.
Second, I still have contacts in "the Business" and got the honor of seeing test sequences. But since I don't sh!t money and the cost of breaking a nondisclosure is ridiculous I can't say much. What I can say that the 3-D effects are just freaking awesome. Remember thousands was spent on designing the camera, the cost of just the lens alone could buy you a house! The future scape is very true to the manga art, but is of course slightly different. From the very small amount I got to see, I don't think the majority of you will be disappointed.
The other thing is that "they" do read "Rippers forums", and they think you won't be disappointed. But then again they also know you can't please everyone :geek:
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by kamugin » Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:57 am

gilsand wrote:What I can say that the 3-D effects are just freaking awesome.
Actually this is the bare minimum to be expected, the main concern is the fucking plot! All the previous speculation is nothing but waste of time. I really hope they can please us, but nothing I have read so far seems to be good choices. Let's wait for this fucking movie to be released and see by ourselves. Plus, if they read this blog, they should give free tickets for all of us, just for the trouble, otherwise I'll go for a camrip, unless half of you guys cream your pants after watching it.
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Re: Alita Battle Angel Film teaser poster

Post by Pablolein » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:33 pm

gilsand wrote:To some of you here I have a quote from Isaac Asimov concerning critics,
"A critic is like a eunuch in a harem, he can discuss the action, and the many fine points but he actually can't do it himself".
Hahahaha true! Can't say otherwise :lol:

I really hope we get a good movie adaptation, and I'm so jealous of you! Good thing they are paying attention to the fandom, anyway.
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