GARY! It is Gary...

[Sergio Nova]

Nice chitchats for nothing, again!

Anyway, better calling her Gally than Gary, I prefer seeing her as a real XX compared to the fake one she could be when named Gary, as those that you can mainly find in Brazil! (Was that a troll??!... neh!!)

What are you talking about? The street sweeper?

[Sam]

Nice chitchats for nothing, again!

Anyway, better calling her Gally than Gary, I prefer seeing her as a real XX compared to the fake one she could be when named Gary, as those that you can mainly find in Brazil! (Was that a troll??!... neh!!)

What are you talking about? The street sweeper?

Sergio, please, you of course know what I'm talking about, even if it's a joke, don't play stupid for nothing!

[Sergio Nova]

Sergio, please, you of course know what I'm talking about, even if it's a joke, don't play stupid for nothing!

Não, não estou me fazendo de besta. Isso não é meu estilo. Se você está se referindo a garis, a referência é insuficiente e ninguém aqui vai entender do que você está falando. Quanto a mim, se não entendendo a piada, eu pergunto. O único tipo de "gary" que se pode encontrar no Brasil, pelo que sei, é esse.


No, I am not playing stupid. That is not my style. If you are referring to Brazilian street sweepers, the reference is too poor and no one here is supposed to understand what you are talking about. As to me, when I do not understand a joke, I simply ask. The only sort of "gary" one can find in Brazil, as far as I know, is that.

[Sam]

So let me explain you the joke, which is no more one now!

In my opinion, and for most of the people, Gary is a guy firstname. As Gally is physically a girl (boobs, nice ass and so on...) if she would have had a guy name, she could have been a sort of transexual person as the fake women you can find in Rio de Janeiro, you know, the brazillian guys spread out all other the world with fake breasts working as prostitutes...

So, if lot of people agree to the fact that using a girl name for Alita (I particularly use that name to avoid the confusion) is better, even if it's not grammatically correct, we can maybe stop talking about how to call her, no?

[Sergio Nova]

Initially, due to the reference, I did think you were Brazilian or would speak Portuguese.
Anyway, I am fed up with European jokes about Brazilian transvestites. As I have already said, if Brazilian prostitute-transvestites go to France, Italy and German, and become millionaires, that simply means that there have many more clients in Europe than they had here, that is: Europeans do like them.

As to Brazilian carnival, you are misinformed. Most of the girls you see in samba schools are real women - even the naked ones. In that aspect, I daresay carnival-makers are too conservative to accept explicit gayism in their lines. Or are you confusing samba schools with the gay parade in São Paulo? That one, I have to admit, is the greatest on the planet, with exhibitionists from all over the world.

No, I do NOT intend to be soft or polite. Any sort of stereotype is irritating. It is the same when European countries and the USA complain about cocaine and marijuana produced in South America that invade their territories. I agree that is not comfortable, but the interesting point is: Europe and the USA are the greatest drug markets on the planet.

Thus, before criticizing and making jokes, please, look to your navel.

[Sam]

Nice demonstration of you falling into the troll trap, as I said before...
But, Millionaires?? Come on! (again...!!)

[Abaddon]

she could have been a sort of transexual person as the fake women you can find in Rio de Janeiro, you know, the brazillian guys spread out all other the world with fake breasts working as prostitutes...

lol, what?

Anyway, I've been reading this topic a long time ago and I'm surprised to see that some people still belives that Gary is Gally/Alita's name.

[gilsand]

she could have been a sort of transexual person as the fake women you can find in Rio de Janeiro, you know, the brazillian guys spread out all other the world with fake breasts working as prostitutes...

lol, what?

Anyway, I've been reading this topic a long time ago and I'm surprised to see that some people still belives that Gary is Gally/Alita's name.

Once Again.
My humble opinion
and
as I said, I blame all this
on an overactive imagination
and it's the result
of a sick mind.

[Sergio Nova]

Once Again.
My humble opinion
and
as I said, I blame all this
on an overactive imagination
and it's the result
of a sick mind.

An operactive imagination? I agree.
A sick mind? Yours? No way!

[ChaosConfetti]

Actually, the real issue is Japanese doesn't have phonemes corresponding to either the l- or r- sounds; it has a phoneme somewhere awkwardly in between l- and r-. The hiragana set of ら, り, る, れ, ろ and the katakana set of ラ, リ, ル, レ, ロ are ambiguous, and there is no good way of transliterating it into the Latin alphabet. Hence, it goes either way.

That said, Yukito has a quite impressive knowledge of English as well European history and languages, as Sergio's analysis really shows. I don't have any doubt that he meant for it to be transliterated as Gally.

[Abaddon]

Once Again.
My humble opinion
and
as I said, I blame all this
on an overactive imagination
and it's the result
of a sick mind.

Hey relax man, sorry if I was a little harsh... I didn't want to offend you ^^U I just was saying that her name is Gally or Alita, that's all : )

[gilsand]

Hey relax man, sorry if I was a little harsh... I didn't want to offend you ^^U I just was saying that her name is Gally or Alita, that's all : )

NOLO PROBLEMO....
We actually covered quite a bit of what you said earlier in the discussion.

Hmm, my Sensi

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said I should have fun with this.
The proper rules of Japanese grammer:
Hiragana- used to write words that are purely Japanese.
Katakana - Used to write Forien or words borrowed from another language.

IF her proper English name is spelled correctly then it is Gary,and is spelled in Katakana.

If it is spelled improperly Galley, in Hirigana, then that means that Galley is a proper Japanese word, and common vocabulary for Nihongo.

So, if that is the case.
What does the proper definition of the Japanese word galley mean?
In proper english -Galley: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galley
So in proper Japanese, what is a galley?

I made this video just for the discussion that took place
Also, here is another way of looking at it,

Sergio Nova wrote:
The story takes place in an English language environment, The Scrapyard, so it makes sense that Kishiro gave an English language name to the main character.

Cailon wrote:
This is actually a nice bridge back to gilands cool vid with the Vangelis soundtrack Because I think that the Scrapyard was originally intended to be multi-language melting pot - just like thr city in the movie Blade Runner.

AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, HERE IT IS ONCE AGAIN!!

[Sergio Nova]

Cailon wrote:
This is actually a nice bridge back to gilands cool vid with the Vangelis soundtrack Because I think that the Scrapyard was originally intended to be multi-language melting pot - just like the city in the movie Blade Runner.

As this point is back, let me comment. The city in Blade Runner is no novelty at all. I do not know about Los Angeles nowadays, but cities like São Paulo and New York have lots of immigrant communities with their own languages, but no matter how, New York's language is English and São Paulo's is Portuguese.

And Portuguese has devastating characteristics, and such characteristics explain why a country like Brazil (almost 200mil inhabitants from the most different places on this planet) is monolingual. Our last immigrants are Korean, Chinese and Bolivians. The third Korean generation has already abandoned their grandparents' language, and Chinese and Bolivians are going the same way. The Bolivian case is too recent (they are still coming), but the effect is inclement. Other groups, like Italians and Japanese, speak only Portuguese.

In New York, the foreign languages remain into the colonies, but only into the colonies.

Thus, no matter if The Scrapyard has many linguistic groups, in the end they will have only one lingua franca.

[gilsand]

New York, the foreign languages remain into the colonies, but only into the colonies.

Thus, no matter if The Scrapyard has many linguistic groups, in the end they will have only one lingua franca.

Sergio, I am very much in agreement with you.
Just as you say, many are treated as out cast because they refuse to learn the (primary) language.
But in doing so they delibertly isolate themselves, and then wonder why they are not appreciated.

When traveling in France I was treated very much like the "Ugly American",
untill I tried to speak in French.
Once they saw I was trying, they did all they could to help me enunciate.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
When stationed in Germany, I learned the Language and local customs.
Like wise in Spain, Italy, and Japan.
Many of my fellow Americans wondered what the secret was on how I had managed
to have such wonderful experiences around the world. It was because of the people.

I never refused food offered in friendship, no matter what it looked like or how poor they were.
I always shared my food if they looked hungry,
and always tried to speak in the local language.

When You open yourself to others, you learn that we are indeed one family of man.

[Sergio Nova]

When traveling in France I was treated very much like the "Ugly American",
untill I tried to speak in French.

I would certainly agree with you, with a great exception.

Although I hate stereotypes, I have to admit I have surrendered to one, specifically.
I have never been to France, and I will never be. MANY friends of mine complain they treat tourists like invaders, simply because such tourists do not speak French. They understand your English, but insist in replying in France. I considered that a lack of respect, simply. In Brazil (and I have seen the same in Italy, Germany, Spain, Argentina and Russia), tourists are received in the international language, and when available, someone dominating their languages will give them support.

As I said, this is a stereotype, but I am not going to a place where I will be discriminated because I do not speak the native language. It is not my fault if French language lost its importance. The same way it is too arrogant when one defines his own language (and only) as "synonym of civilization" (even because history has shown us what colonialist "civilizations" made).

In short, French do not need/like tourists, and I do not like to be mistreated.

[Dream]

I considered that a lack of respect, simply.

The funny thing is, that's the same reason that make us so unfriendly with strangers.
French politeness is pretty strict. "excuse me, do you speak English?" is pretty much mandatory before you say anything. Otherwise your behavior is considered aggressive and insulting.
Also politeness applies everywhere, including shops. "hello", "excuses me", "please", "thank you". Never, ever forget about it. Or you'll get minimal service.
Hypocrisy is expected.

[Sergio Nova]

Also politeness applies everywhere, including shops. "hello", "excuses me", "please", "thank you". Never, ever forget about it.
Hypocrisy is expected.

Indeed! Politeness is a two-way road. Tourist-oriented service is supposed to accept what the tourist has to give (even because he is paying, right?). I cannot see the relations between what I said and the words you listed. I was speaking about languages, not about posture. Hypocrisy lies in changing the object without visible reasons.

[Cailon]

Thus, no matter if The Scrapyard has many linguistic groups, in the end they will have only one lingua franca.

Certainly, but it doesn't have to be the english of the present day - or let's even say it is highly improbable that it'll be the english that is in use today. Languages change as the speakers change. If people have better things to do than concerning over the purity of their language for 100 years (e.g. surviving against vampires), language and orthography will change drastically .
In Blade Runner, it's not that many linguistic groups exist and that they commonly decided to use english to communicate with each other. They invented a new language, based on english (I say: simply because the movie was made in the US), mixed with lot's of words and whole phrases in chinese, hungarian, spanish, german, french, korean, and what not - and they seem to understand each other well.
This has come to a point where you can't say that it's english with loanwords (like e.g. kindergarden) anymore, this is a whole new language. It's the babble of the Tower of Babel, but despite this everyone get's what the other is saying. This is what I imagine the language in BAA. In theory. In reality, we're way overthinking things.

[gilsand]

I must say that you all have exceeded my expectations. Now if we could only get our leaders to think with such clarity.
Hope you all have a good weekend.

Sergio, are you being affected by the floods?

When You open yourself to others, you learn that we are indeed one family of man.

[Sergio Nova]

Sergio, are you being affected by the floods?

When You open yourself to others, you learn that we are indeed one family of man.

I am far from the flooded areas. What happened in Terezópolis (Rio de Janeiro State) was a tragedy, simply.
As to São Paulo City, the flooded areas will still be the same 200 hundreds years in the future or even later, as the problem is that people built inhabitations to close too the river banks - especially Tietê river, which is really big.
I live far from river banks, anyway. I know it is impossible to city halls to solve such problems.

I didn't understand your last line. What do you mean by opening yourself to others?

[gilsand]

Sergio,
Good to hear you are in a safe haven.

I didn't understand your last line. What do you mean by opening yourself to others?

Here is an example of what I meant by that.
When I was overseas, many Americans would never leave
the Kasern or the Military Base where they were stationed.

I on the other hand would take a dart,
throw it at map of Europe,
and go there.

Also, every place I went I took my guitar.
Music is universal, I made a lot of friends,
I learned a lot of local culture, and got lots
and lots of free Wine, Beer, and Food!
The lesson being I could have just stayed in
the Kasern, which is like a mini America,
rather than go and experience the world
and the wonderful difference of its people.

You then also get to see how much we are all alike.

[Sergio Nova]

Oh, yes! I applaud you.

[gilsand]

Yes, I know this is an ancient post
But I couldn't help myself in posting this picture titled:
"Garry's provocation"

He does spell her name with two "R"s.
Also this one is my Favorite, I just think she looks killer in black and Yellow.

[Sergio Nova]

He does spell her name with two "R"s.
Also this one is my Favorite, I just think she looks killer in black and Yellow.

Tell the entire tale, please. Where does that picture, writing that, is from?
Anyway, as we have already debated here, most of the time he refers to her as Gally, so…

[gilsand]

I got it at YUKITOPIA:
http://jajatom.moo.jp/E-top/frame.html
and Gallery collection here:
http://jajatom.moo.jp/album_e/file/chouhatsu.jpg
I'm just being annoying