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Well I have found that bunch from Tiphares quite useless and I also dislike Koyomi. I hope that Alita don't meet them again, at least until the very last chapter. By the way, I also think that Ido would be the best partner for Alita. Figure Four is an idiot, he have some fighting skill but nothing more than that. However Alita saw Ido like a father and since he lost his memory he is discarded. So we need a better character, yet to be introduced*, to be her love partner, otherwise she remaining "single" is the best choice. To say the truth, Alita have a bad taste to choose her lovers, first Hugo and later Figure. Such lousy men, sigh!

*Touji is also a good alternative, but I doubt their relationship takes that way.
Ok Ok... now I'm pissed... Figure Four was a kick ass character. One of the reasons why I like Figure (and why possibly Gally is attracted to him) is because he was a simple (but tough) guy; he wasn't some angsty character with an overelaborated backstory. He's just a simple badass fisherman who has a sense of adventure; he "loved" (I'm really not sure I can use that word since they only knew each other for a few days) Gally for who she was, not trying to change her into some type of doll (looking a you, Ido).

Considering that Gally wondered the badlands for about a decade, knowing only solitude and death, used as a pawn for Salem, maybe the only thing she needed at the time was a simple, emotionally stable character who can defend himself (Figure Four). In fact, it was Figure who brought back Gally's humanity, lost for so long while fighting for Salem.
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the guy reinvented the oscillation punch.. all by himself...

he is as much as a genius than the Panzer Kunst funder, so yeah Foggia is quite the badass
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Looking away, trying not to read any word in this topic, I'll just say that I'll read it soon - next month maybe. Thank you, guys.

Also, I'd like to ask - while YK was on a hiatus, he has made at least 6 phases, right? Are they released biweekly, or as usual - on a monthly basis?
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Burning Angel wrote: Ok Ok... now I'm pissed... Figure Four was a kick ass character.
Figure is a simpleton, he have some muscle but no brains. Characters like him are only good to die. But you have said something true: while many of Alita's foes have a deep backgrund, Figure is shallow, plain. And this poor excuse of a character got the biggest prize!? I can't stand that. :x

Sechs is another simpleton, but he has the excuse of being only two years old.
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Figure is a simpleton, he have some muscle but no brains. Characters like him are only good to die. But you have said something true: while many of Alita's foes have a deep backgrund, Figure is shallow, plain. And this poor excuse of a character got the biggest prize!? I can't stand that.

Sechs is another simpleton, but he has the excuse of being only two years old.
Yeah, because for you, being a simple character is a vice, instead of a virtue, in a universe where most of them, even one shot characters, have backstories and many are overdeveloped.

The Zott arc is the perfect example, where just about every character has some type of chapter dedicated to their past. Hell, Karelula has 2 volumes just for her past. Even the murdering rapist karate assassin has a fucking filler chapter explaining his past. OMFG. I am not saying deep characters or character development is bad; in the contrary, it's a sign of good writing, but too much of a good thing is bad, too. Hell, Gally's character is all out of character development; I really don't know how Yukito can develop her character much more than it already is.

In fact, Figure Four's "simplicity" is unique among the characters of Gunnm. Besides, we've only seen him in a few chapters. He didn't have time for development or filler flashback chapters, anyway. And I consider Sechs to be a surprising deep character with a lot of potental for character development.

And don't twist my words. What I said is that right now Gally possibly isn't romanticaly interested in "deep" characters, but in a more simple, humble badass who can give her stability, when she was about to lose her humanity.
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HumanRage wrote:the guy reinvented the oscillation punch.. all by himself...

he is as much as a genius than the Panzer Kunst funder, so yeah Foggia is quite the badass
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the guy reinvented the oscillation punch.. all by himself...

he is as much as a genius than the Panzer Kunst funder, so yeah Foggia is quite the badass
Yeah, even the idea that Figure is a simpleton is doubtful. He was able to develop an anti-cyborg martial art using vibration strikes similar to Panzer Kunst. That takes more than just simple muscle to do.

So Figure is smarter and more competant than he is given credit for. I dare to say that Figure is the most underated character in Gunnm.
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I agree with HumanRage!
The swinging arm movement that he uses to energize his Chi, and the Breathing Method are an actual High Order teaching. Sensi Kishiro also illustrates the correct breath/Yell when excuting a punch.
Also has several references to Jeet Kung Fu(Bruce Lee) in his areas of attack, (elbow, arm, Knee, leg).
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"hell, i'm flesh and blood, and there is all these cyborgs ? fuck that shit, i'll create a anti-cyborg martial art"

yeah, Foggia FTW :geek:
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Burning Angel wrote:Yeah, even the idea that Figure is a simpleton is doubtful.
Compare him with any of the other characters from HFV and he will be outshined easily, he was badass I admit, but there are a lot of more interesting characters in the first part of Gunnm IMHO.
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@Burning Angel>>

You like Figure because of his simplicity, I dislike him mainly because of that, so there's nothing more to say about this.
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because what you are is yelling at me!"
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In my opinion, if the story goes back to focus on Alita, she is going to need a MASSIVE nerf. Right now she is less of a character and more of a force of nature...

Ah, in this area I liked the first manga more. It had strenght in its characters and didn't shy from killing off important ones; LO is a bit too difuse, and a bit over the top in terms of power.
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Rakan getting a backstory destroyed it all a little more for me. Did Ajacutty get a back story? Caligula, Tiegel, Zafal Takie, Eizenberg, Lou, Zapan? Fuck no.
So why Rakan now? The gain of a back story is to better understand the character, but 1.) I don't have any interest in the character of Rakan at all and 2.) I don't understand him better now. Oh, he got a bullet to the head, now he's turned into a perv. Poor guy -- not. This was nothing more than a ridiculous excuse to draw more penis-action. Or did someone gain any insight through this back story? Could this lousy character please die very soon?

As for Foggia, I liked him, too. I don't think I need to know more about him. This one picture of their last scene together told me enough about his (probably exciting and natural way of-) life.
Also note that he was the first real man Alita ever met as a woman. No father figure, no freak hiding in a sky city with a fantasy of omnipotence, no wimp, no idol (like Jashugan, and she was still "as if" 16 years old at this point) - but a real man, that is able to actualy handle a strong woman like Alita. To this day, no other character was able to do this, even the strong ones are weak in their own way, like cocky Zekka or deep down insecure Toji. They are not at peace with themselves. (Well Taraba kinda was, but he showed no interest). That's because: Foggia all the way.
I hope YK didn't forget about him (at least one year has passed already since their good bye). And I also thought that maybe Foggia was intendet to be more than a mere human: he mastered this anti-cyborg art and he climbed out of the rubble unscratched (after the Barjack attack). Maybe he got nanobots but it was never developed further - or he's just a cool guy, I don't know.
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I agree. The backstories of Bigott Eizenburg ou Figure Four would be really interesting. Rakan's is completely dispensable. What a despicable character!

As to penis-action. well, Anomaly was a great deal!
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Cailon wrote:I hope YK didn't forget about him (at least one year has passed already since their good bye)
Considering that the original Epilogue was set 5 years after the transformation into the Life-Tree (during which time he grew a beard which he wouldn't shave off until he was reunited with Alita :lol: ) and that Figure presumably was faithful during this time, one year is doable. Probably a good thing that he doesn't know about this whole ZOTT business.
And I also thought that maybe Foggia was intendet to be more than a mere human: he mastered this anti-cyborg art and he climbed out of the rubble unscratched (after the Barjack attack). Maybe he got nanobots but it was never developed further - or he's just a cool guy, I don't know.
I perfectly am fine if he is 100% human without having any enhancements whatsoever - it shows in this world of cyborgs that flesh and blood humans of this caliber still exist (not counting the Type-V mutants, having the benefits given by the V-virus is cheating ;) ). Also the guy is super lucky - he survived the Barjack attack on the train, didn't get blown up by the rent-a-gun, avoided a nuclear meltdown and the resorting tornado, didn't fall off the high rise, was barely touched by the Barjack despite having a building fall on top of him, and just when he's about to die of thirst, Bigott pinpoints their position and has fish and water rain down.
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Cailon wrote:Rakan getting a backstory destroyed it all a little more for me. Did Ajacutty get a back story? Caligula, Tiegel, Zafal Takie, Eizenberg, Lou, Zapan? Fuck no. .
actually, lou and zapan did. we see her when she enters the GR program, and zapan actually got the thickest background : his girl, her father with the dogs, how he went mad, how he went back from nova's, etc

who was eizenberg ?
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Rakkan is a character created to be hated: he is a cold assassin, he is a rapist, he doesn't follow the bushido. He is the opposite of the noble Touji so. Thus we hate Rakkan with enthusiasm!

Then Yukito tells us that this plain evil character was once a good man, a beloved father and husband. Then he was WHITE, now he is BLACK literally. The Japanese aren't tied by the "politically correct" paranoia, even so that was pretty racist from Yukito. To me this is the biggest problem regarding Rakkan. Or perhaps Yukito did this intentionally to induce his readers into some reflection about their own prejudice. If Yoko, who was a heartless genocide, deserved forgiveness, why not Rakkan?! Perhaps because Yoko was a cute white little girl and Rakkan is ugly, he is a fucking nigger who deserves only to die! Isn't he?? You people are so simple minded...
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Arg... fine I'll answer you, kamugin. I was really hoping someone would have answered you before me; I guess I was being lazy.

So let me get this straight: first you critize a character, Figure Four, that is surprising popular (or respected) in this forum. I personally don't have a problem with that, it's your opinion and we can discuss it. The same goes for Rakkan.

But then you did something that I find very questionable; you insulted the people of this forum, calling them simple minded, just because they disagree with you. Now that bothered me. So what I am going to do is simple: dismantle your Rakkan defense into pieces.
Rakkan is a character created to be hated: he is a cold assassin, he is a rapist, he doesn't follow the bushido.
I'd hardly call Rakan cold, he's actually seems very batshit insane.
He is the opposite of the noble Touji so. Thus we hate Rakkan with enthusiasm!
Zekka is also a character extremely unlike Toji, yet we don't hate him. I actually like Zekka more than most characters.
Then Yukito tells us that this plain evil character was once a good man, a beloved father and husband.
Ok, that is just speculation. His filler backstory doesn't explore his background that deeply. He could have easily been a jerk while he was still sane. At least he seemed very cocky for try demonstrating he can dodge or catch bullets while he was still sane.

Ok, now I'm bored of nit-picking. I'm just going to skip the next part. HERE COMES THE BEST PART.
Then he was WHITE, now he is BLACK literally. The Japanese aren't tied by the "politically correct" paranoia, even so that was pretty racist from Yukito. To me this is the biggest problem regarding Rakkan. Or perhaps Yukito did this intentionally to induce his readers into some reflection about their own prejudice. If Yoko, who was a heartless genocide, deserved forgiveness, why not Rakkan?! Perhaps because Yoko was a cute white little girl and Rakkan is ugly, he is a fucking nigger who deserves only to die! Isn't he??
What the fuck are you talking about. The reason that Rakkan is hated and doesn't deserve forgiveness is because he is so unapologeticly evil about it. He simply doesn't care. No no... even worse... he seems to be proud of his actions, claiming that he will do them again. And he hasn't, as of yet, been punished for his actions.

Meanwhile Yoko has shown remorse for her actions to the point of almost destroying her psyche (while in her Gally persona), and she has been punished for her actions by being thrown out of Jeru and FALLING AND BURNING INTO EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE AND ROTTING IN THE SCRAPYARD FOR 200 YEARS.

And, unlike Rakkan, we have been following Gally/Yoko's struggles and adventures for years (I have been a fan of the series since 2002). I have a lot invested (emotions and similar things) into the Gally character.

I have gone to the point of almost crying for her; I consider the saddest moment of the series when, during the TUNED arc, she finally finds Ido, the man she loved like a father, resurrected, after 10 hellish years of fighting and searching for him, only to discover that she can't stay with him because he has amnesia (due to him discovering Salem's secret), and Gally being with him would be dangerous for him. So she is forced to leave with a smile on her face, knowing that deep within her, she is devastated and holding back 10 years worth of tears and agony. Only to release those emotions that night, screaming IDO!!! and weaping like a child who lost her parents.

Meanwhile, Rakkan is a relatively new character to me, and I don't give two shits about him. Well besides the fact that he was introduced as a perverted, psychopathic asshole in a karate battle full of stupid-looking one-shot characters, and his character went downhill from there.

Seriously, him being black and Yoko/Gally white has nothing to do with it.
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HumanRage wrote:
Cailon wrote:Rakan getting a backstory destroyed it all a little more for me. Did Ajacutty get a back story? Caligula, Tiegel, Zafal Takie, Eizenberg, Lou, Zapan? Fuck no. .
actually, lou and zapan did. we see her when she enters the GR program, and zapan actually got the thickest background : his girl, her father with the dogs, how he went mad, how he went back from nova's, etc

who was eizenberg ?
Hum, let me see:
1. I disagree about Lou. That is not exactly a backstory. That flashback simply shows her entering a new job. There is nothing about her past (as a matter of fact, I have never felt the need).
2. I disagree about Zapan as well. That was not a flashback. He is shown living with Sarah AFTER the incidents with Alita. His origin is unknown.
3. Cailon refers to Bigott Eizenburg, the man in charge of GIB.
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Burning Angel wrote:Arg... fine I'll answer you, kamugin. I was really hoping someone would have answered you before me; I guess I was being lazy.
Well, If no one answered before, it's possibly because they agree.
So let me get this straight: first you critize a character, Figure Four, that is surprising popular (or respected) in this forum. I personally don't have a problem with that, it's your opinion and we can discuss it. The same goes for Rakkan.
I criticized him because I really dislike him, my right. People stood up to defend him and they stated why they like him, their right. So I put an end in that disscussion because it was meaningless to go any further, I didn't want to start a flame war.
But then you did something that I find very questionable; you insulted the people of this forum, calling them simple minded, just because they disagree with you. Now that bothered me. So what I am going to do is simple: dismantle your Rakkan defense into pieces.
Then I'll dismantle your condemnation:

In a previous topic about who will die next in the ZOTT, I also asked why Rakkan doesn't deserve redemption, this was before I criticized Figure and even before the raw phase 103 was available. Yukito doesn't like to create one sided characters, true that there was many evil guys who died without a background, however those appear in scene for a short time and die --I'm remembering that psycho motorball player that killed a bunch of spectators just to avoid Alita. Rakkan was introduced many chapters ago, so it was the time to give him a background. Nobody was born evil in real life, Yukito made Alita's universe in the same way.
Rakkan is a character created to be hated: he is a cold assassin, he is a rapist, he doesn't follow the bushido.
I'd hardly call Rakan cold, he's actually seems very batshit insane.
Yeah, yeah... I realized after that "cold" isn't appropriate to decribe him. I just wrote a cliche "cold assassin", without realizing it. Rakkan actually likes to kill, however it doesn't makes me lose my point.
He is the opposite of the noble Touji so. Thus we hate Rakkan with enthusiasm!
Zekka is also a character extremely unlike Toji, yet we don't hate him. I actually like Zekka more than most characters.
Please read again until you understand. Initially Rakkan was made to be hated! Zekka is opposed to Touji in many ways, but he wasn't thrown into the story to be a plain evil character. He is evil in many ways, but undoubtedly he have his own particular sense of honor, otherwise he just could have killed everybody there already.
Then Yukito tells us that this plain evil character was once a good man, a beloved father and husband.
Ok, that is just speculation. His filler backstory doesn't explore his background that deeply. He could have easily been a jerk while he was still sane. At least he seemed very cocky for try demonstrating he can dodge or catch bullets while he was still sane.
Speculation!? Oh god, this is so...silly... that I don't want comment it any further! However I must:
I know every reader have his own reading of a story. Everybody have his own particular understanding (unfortunately), but we aren't talking about the fucking bible or James Joyce's Ulisses here! Alita's epic may be one of the seven wonders of the manga, but it doesn't have that kind of complexity!

Borrowing "your understanding" for a while... Who knows what kind of atrocities Alita may have done, under Thiphares command, back when she was a tuned agent?? She isn't like that you may say, but she was pretty crazy then! Even now I feel sorrow for the dung beetle, the snake and the mouse she killed in that gaiden... Oh, the deckman too!
Ok, now I'm bored. I'm just going to skip the next part. HERE COMES THE BEST PART.
I'm bothered, not tired... Is it comming? I hope so!
What the fuck are you talking about. The reason that Rakkan is hated and doesn't deserve forgiveness is because he is so unapologeticly evil about it. He simply doesn't care. No no... even worse... he seems to be proud of his actions, claiming that he will do them again. And he hasn't, as of yet, been punished for his actions.
Rakkan was plain evil before, now we... we?... at least I... knew he was once a beloved father and husband. A stupid accident turned him into the psycho he is today. He deserves to die? Yes, maybe. However he isn't a plain evil character anymore. He deserves some of our time to think about his reasons, before we hang him up. Quoting phase 103:

_My son, my wife, are you watching me from somewhere out there?
...
_My son, I'm sorry I couldn't live up to your expectations that time!!
_But daddy has changed!!
_Now your father can dodge any bullet, no matter what!!


See? Deep inside he stil care about his son and wife. He lives with the sorrow he wasn't able to fulfil his son's expectations. He failed to him. Even with an insane mind he tried his best to fix that, so he may be a mad man, but he is trully a karate master now. Yukito turned him into into a multi faceted character as he deserves, not a pure expression of the evil. He turned Rakkan an human being like any of the biggest characters that appeared in the story so far.
Meanwhile Yoko has shown remorse for her actions to the point of almost destroying her psyche (while in her Gally persona), and she has been punished for her actions by being thrown out of Jeru and FALLING AND BURNING INTO EARTH'S ATMOSPHERE AND ROTTING IN THE SCRAPYARD FOR 200 YEARS.
I consider Alita and Yoko two different persons. Yoko was a genocide, there's no doubt about it (...I hope). While she was alive, she haven't shown any regret of her actions. She was almost a mindless killing machine back then. And I say "almost" just because she feared death and tried to escape. Her only regret was probably being unable to flee. Think about the magnitude of her crime, she not only have killed over 100 thousands of people, she also halted human exploration of space perhaps forever! She was fulfilling orders you may say. This is the best excuse of such criminals. She was no different of any muslim terrorist. Alita was able to forgive her, but not the rest of mankind. Even I would condemn Yoko to death and also ordered the bombing of Guntroll for such terrorist actions. Therefore Yoko was properly sentenced to death and actually died.

However Alita was born when Ido rescued her from that pile of garbage. Yoko was condemned and executed, so Alita was born free of any gilt. However Alita, our angel, tries to clean Yoko sins through her actions, through her redemption!
And, unlike Rakkan, we have been following Gally/Yoko's struggles and adventures for years (I have been a fan of the series since 2002). I have a lot invested (emotions and similar things) into the Gally character.
This is Alita's epic, isn't it?? When have I implied that the manga turned into Rakkan's story just because Yukito made him human??
I have gone to the point of almost crying for her; I consider the saddest moment of the series when, during the TUNED arc, she finally finds Ido, the man she loved like a father, resurrected, after 10 hellish years of fighting and searching for him, only to discover that she can't stay with him because he has amnesia (due to him discovering Salem's secret), and Gally being with him would be dangerous for him. So she is forced to leave with a smile on her face, knowing that deep within her, she is devastated and holding back 10 years worth of tears and agony. Only to release them that night, screaming IDO!!! and weaping like a child who lost her parents.
Such melodrama... but me too, I was almost drived to tears back them. Don't consider yourself special because of that.
Meanwhile, Rakkan is a relatively new character to me, and I don't give two shits about him. Well besides the fact that he was introduced a perverted, psychopathic asshole and his character went downhill from there.

Seriously, him being black and Yoko/Gally white has nothing to do with it.
I hope someone now is able to give a little more than "a shit" for Rakkan. Now that I've expended so much of my time and my latin to answer you.

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Hahahaha.... so you answered... good...
Well, If no one answered before, it's possibly because they agree.
That's your opinion... but seeing how some people mention or talk about you in the forums, excuse me for having my reserves...
I criticized him because I really dislike him, my right. People stood up to defend him and they stated why they like him, their right. So I put an end in that disscussion because it was meaningless to go any further, I didn't want to start a flame war.
I already said that I have no problem with you disliking him, it's your opinion and I respect it (to an extent)... My problem with you right now is that you insulted people for not agreeing with you. Instead of retracting the comment/insult, you continue this argument... fair enough.
Yukito doesn't like to create one sided characters, true that there was many evil guys who died without a background, however those appear in scene for a short time and die --I'm remembering that psycho motorball player that killed a bunch of spectators just to avoid Alita.
Yes he does. You mention the motorball arc. Well in the Motorball arc and in the Tuned arc, there were characters much more interesting than Rakkan, and Yukito didn't expand their past with filler chapters.
Rakkan was introduced many chapters ago, so it was the time to give him a background. Nobody was born evil in real life, Yukito made Alita's universe in the same way.
The only reason Rakkan was given a backstory is because until chapter 103, he was the only fighter in the ZOTT finals without a backstory. And there are tons of "evil" characters in HFV and Last Order that are left "evil", with their pasts unexplored.
Yeah, yeah... I realized after that "cold" isn't appropriate to decribe him. I just wrote a cliche "cold assassin", without realizing it. Rakkan actually likes to kill, however it doesn't makes me lose my point.
Yeah yeah, your right about that... I was just nit-picking.
Speculation!? Oh god, this is so... that I don't want comment it any further! However I must:
I know every reader have his own reading of a story. Everybody have his own particular understanding (unfortunately), but we aren't talking about the fucking bible or James Joyce's Ulisses here! Alita's epic may be one of the seven wonders of the comics, but it doesn't have that kind of complexity!
I meant you were speculating. Again, I was nit-picking.
Borrowing "your understanding" for a while... Who knows what kind of atrocities Alita may have done, under Thiphares command, back when she was a tuned agent?? She isn't like that you may say, but she was pretty crazy then! Even now I feel sorrow for the dung beetle, the snake and the mouse she killed in that gaiden... Oh, the deckman too!
GIve it time... I'm sure that during the Mars arc, they will further explore the role the Panzer Kunstlers had in the war; quite possibly as terrorists and guerrilla fighters. I'm sure Yoko wasn't the only terrorist. There are probably worse examples.
Rakkan was plain evil before, now we... we?... at least I... knew he was once a beloved father and husband. A stupid accident turned him into the psycho he is today. He deserves to die? Yes, maybe. However he isn't a plain evil character anymore. He deserves some of our time to think about his reasons, before we hang him up. Quoting phase 103:

_My son, my wife, are you watching me from somewhere out there?
...
_My son, I'm sorry I couldn't live up to your expectations that time!!
_But daddy has changed!!
_Now your father can dodge any bullet, no matter what!!

See? Deep inside he stil care about his son and wife. He lives with the sorrow he wasn't able to fulfil his son's expectations. He failed to him. Even with an insane mind he tried his best to fix that, so he may be a mad man, but he is trully a karate master now. Yukito turned him into into a multi faceted character as he deserves, not a pure expression of the evil. He turned Rakkan an human being like any of the biggest characters that appeared in the story so far.
Again, the only reason he is given development and a backstory was because he was the only fighter in the finals without one; not because he "deserved" it.
I consider Alita and Yoko two different persons. Yoko was a genocide, there's no doubt about it (...I hope). While she was alive, she haven't shown any regret of her actions. She was almost a mindless killing machine back then. And I say "almost" just because she feared death and tried to escape. Her only regret was probably being unable to flee. Think about the magnitude of her crime, she not only have killed over 100 thousands of people, she also halted human exploration of space perhaps forever! She was fulfilling orders you may say. This is the best excuse of such criminals. She was no different of any muslim terrorist. Alita was able to forgive her, but not the rest of mankind. Even I would condemn Yoko to death and also ordered the bombing of Guntroll for such terrorist actions. Therefore Yoko was properly sentenced to death and actually died.

However Alita was born when Ido rescued her from that pile of garbage. Yoko was condemned and executed, so Alita was born free of any gilt. However Alita, our angel, tries to clean Yoko sins through her actions, through her redemption!
Ohhh... Yoko deserved being executed. I have no doubt about that. But I don't know that she fully understood the magnitude of her actions. She was still a kid (possibly a teenager). She was stupid, ignorant and being manipulated. She was just a disposable tool. Besides, you were the one who mentioned her in the first place, asking why she receives more simpathy than Rakkan. Your answer: racism. My answer: Gally (and by extention, her past, Yoko) is/are the GODDAMN PROTAGONIST and we have been following her journey for years.
This is Alita's epic, isn't it?? When have I implied that the manga turned into Rakkan's story just because Yukito made him human??
When HAVE I IMPLIED that you implied such a thing? I just said that, unlike Rakkan, I do give a shit about Gally. One of the reasons being that I (like most people in the forum) have been following the damn manga (and Gally) for years. Besides, "human"? So Yukito gives Rakkan a bit of backstory and you consider now that he humanized him?
Such melodrama... but me too, I was almost drived to tears back them. Don't consider yourself special because of that.
No... see you apperantly consider youself special since you are the only person in the forum to see an imaginary racist subtext, comparing white-skinned Yoko and ¿black-skinned? Rakkan, and then calling the people here (myself included) simple minded for not seeing it.
I hope someone now is able to give a little more than "a shit" for Rakkan.


I doubt it.
Now that I've expended so much of my time and my latin to answer you.
Ok? Feeling better?
Seeing racism in such doubtless condemnation is my right, my perception. You have the freedom to disagree.
Racism is bad. Can't disagree with you there. You know what's also bad: seeing racism everywhere, including in places that it doesn't apply or exist.
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@Sergio+HumanRage:
Nah, I confused flashback with backstory. I admit that Zapan has background as a character. Actually, showing his whole character not through a flashback (like it's always the case in manga - boooring!) but by re-introducing him later, living a normal live (or not) was really great. Zapan is indeed one of the fleshed characters, imo. The more I think about it, the more I realize that a flashback couldn't have add more to his persona.

Lou, yes, that was really to little. But then again I only threw in her name to make my list longer ;)
Another one is Desty Nova of course! Although I'm fairly sure that his flashback-time will come. Some day.


@kamugin:
From other posts I know that you got a good amount of savvy. But if you go into your troll-mode, I always only check the first lines if the argument is over and don't bother myself with the rest. Too little life-time. See you at your next good post :)
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Cailon wrote:@kamugin:
From other posts I know that you got a good amount of savvy. But if you go into your troll-mode, I always only check the first lines if the argument is over and don't bother myself with the rest. Too little life-time. See you at your next good post :)
Troll mode! I-I must avooid it at any coost...
Once you've experienced The Dark Side, you cross the line quite easily! =P

Well said pal! I got my share already, time to stop.
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Re: PHASE 102 RELEASED!!

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Burning Angel wrote:
The only reason Rakkan was given a backstory is because until chapter 103, he was the only fighter in the ZOTT finals without a backstory. And there are tons of "evil" characters in HFV and Last Order that are left "evil", with their pasts unexplored.

Hi guys. While i enjoyed reading your discussion id agree with this. Id like to add though, that yukito might want to point out, that he believes that beeing "evil" or rather unconcernedly recless as rakkan is, isnt neccesarily a concious decision, but rather controlled by a specific part of the brain. (there were some very famous cases about this in the past...in real life) This would mean that he also thinks that beeing bad or evil is actually, at least partly, an innate character trade.
To me it looks like he wants to further develop his view of the world as predetermined. Not by some kind of mystical beeing like god, but rather by concrete facts, that can be found everywhere if you just search hard enough.
He even drew a picture of how he imagined karma and how its similar to how weather is viewed by us today.
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