Gunnm - Mars Chronicle 022 (part 2) Is out!

[FluffyMcMittens]

A new interesting if not "fucked up" chapter.
Poor Muster...

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[00_unit]

thanks for the chapter, I wonder how Muster even escaped in the first place, also after seeing this flashback it makes why out of all the people he killed at the edom assembly it was specifically Porwit and mentioning how she deserved her punishment. I can't help but think Muster could probably give Kagura the cure(nostrum), due to him still loving her and then get betrayed or something that's the theory i'm thinking that could happen.

[Kinai2k7]

Oh my!
It seems that Desty Nova isn't the only crazy one un BAA. And at least he had the "brain changed in a microchip" excuse.
Is she really Yoko's mother? It could explain why Yoko got a cybernetic body from so early in her life...

Side thought: Could Yoko father be Mister? Biologically, at least. I.e: grabbing his semen and nurturing an egg...

[MrFaber]

Actually Yoko should be one of Kagura's Maske tumors implanted on an artificial body.

[^Ripper]

Actually Yoko should be one of Kagura's Maske tumors implanted on an artificial body.

Look at the tittie.
The octopus lips never lie.

[Kinai2k7]

Actually Yoko should be one of Kagura's Maske tumors implanted on an artificial body.

Look at the tittie.
The octopus lips never lie.

You are not being serious right? Tell me that you are not being serious... Please...

[Kinai2k7]

A new interesting if not "fucked up" chapter.
Poor Muster...

Has there be any GMC chapter that wasn't SNAFU?

[Martin]

This chapter shows confirmation that the original video game story is out. The little experiments inviolate the concept that Alita is a mask tomor, I hope.

[00_unit]

One thing still perplexes me. According to the battle angel alita timeline Yoko met Erica in ES 373 and Yoko was born in ES 370. According to this flashback it takes 13 years ago which is ES 360. That is 10 years before Yoko was born. I'm wandering if we'll see her born or the creator will save it for another arc.

Also Mars Chronicles art is improving, which I'm glad since the previous volumes didn't had a good amount of background art(mostly white), but this chapter there was more background art which I'm really glad to see and I'm hoping we'll see more of it.

Further thoughts, how did Kagura knew Muster liked her, I mean he wasn't obvious about it towards her as he hid those feelings

[kamugin]

What a pretty and heartwarming cover!

Thank you!

[kamugin]

You are not being serious right? Tell me that you are not being serious... Please...

Actually what we are about to learn is that Alita was born as an emoji

[kamugin]

Putting the jokes aside for a very short while, I think it's becoming clear that Muster's imouto (Nollin) will play some relevant role in Alita's birth (or creation). As I especulated in a previous post, being a mask tumor, Alita would need some genetic "fixing" to prevent her abnormal growth - Mad Doc (Neubauer) already revealed that by simply giving a mask tumor a cibernetic body wouldn't perform the wonder, something else is needed - thus I bet this "special ingredient" will come from Nollin (perhaps she is imune to the disease) and her DNA will be mixed with Kagura hime's to create Alita. There are a few hints already: what is the purpose of Nollin in this drama? Only to "power up" Muster's anger and madness? Maybe you have noticed that Alita's body frame is more like Nollin's than Kagura's (Alita will never develop such huge boobs ), plus Nollin's face (and hair) bear some resemblance with Alita also. Angel Alita couldn't be a mere clone of a wicked person like Kagura, she must have inherited the pure "heart" of a girl like Nollin. What you think, guys?

[00_unit]

Putting the jokes aside for a very short while, I think it's becoming clear that Muster's imouto (Nollin) will play some relevant role in Alita's birth (or creation). As I especulated in a previous post, being a mask tumor, Alita would need some genetic "fixing" to prevent her abnormal growth - Mad Doc (Neubauer) already revealed that by simply giving a mask tumor a cibernetic body wouldn't perform the wonder, something else is needed - thus I bet this "special ingredient" will come from Nollin (perhaps she is imune to the disease) and her DNA will be mixed with Kagura hime's to create Alita. There are a few hints already: what is the purpose of Nollin in this drama? Only to "power up" Muster's anger and madness? Maybe you have noticed that Alita's body frame is more like Nollin's than Kagura's (Alita will never develop such huge boobs ), plus Nollin's face (and hair) bear some resemblance with Alita also. Angel Alita couldn't be a mere clone of a wicked person like Kagura, she must have inherited the pure "heart" of a girl like Nollin. What you think, guys?

I think it could be really possible now, remembering Nollin's she is quite short compared to others and Kagura is quite tall, thinking that way as well it's possible that theory could come true.
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[kuroro86]

I don't think the Author will give the creation of our hero from a tumor, plus the scientist say , and Muster repeated , they can't become conscience.

I was thinking instead , what if Muster sperm is sent to Salem and later is used to build Nova ? This would put a long story between the hero and the villain.

[Kinai2k7]

Alita will never develop such huge boobs

As everybody who has read GLO knows, Alita's boobs are inversely proportional to her Blades.

[Sergio Nova]

Interesting the number of theories developed here.

[kamugin]

Interesting the number of theories developed here.

Mind to share yours, if you have one?

[Sergio Nova]

Mind to share yours, if you have one?

I don't. As I said before, the story is evolving in a way that seems to confirm the script in Mars memories - actually, I wonder if Kishiro never consider entitling this 3rd arc as Mars memory before opting for Mars chronicle.
Initially, the idea that Yoko was a sort of a tumor was repulsive, to say the least (and I still expect it to have a different dénouement), but I am getting used to the idea, anyway.

[kamugin]

I don't. As I said before, the story is evolving in a way that seems to confirm the script in Mars memories - actually, I wonder if Kishiro never consider entitling this 3rd arc as Mars memory before opting for Mars chronicle.
Initially, the idea that Yoko was a sort of a tumor was repulsive, to say the least (and I still expect it to have a different dénouement), but I am getting used to the idea, anyway.

On that almost everybody agrees by now, I was talking about the small details of the plot, like Nollins role. Did Nollin even appear in Mars Memory? I have never played the game, in spite of I downloaded it in the past.

As a side comment, I was rereading the tuned agent arc and damn, how much better Gunnm was back then, the drawing, the action, the plot. The story now is but a shadow of what it once was. In particular the quality of the drawing has fallen so much, I can only think that Yukito is tired to keep drawing for such a long time and let the quality falls, I have seen this many times before with other artists, however if so why he keeps dragging so much? This huge flashback is killing me, I hope it ends as soon as possible.

[00_unit]

I don't. As I said before, the story is evolving in a way that seems to confirm the script in Mars memories - actually, I wonder if Kishiro never consider entitling this 3rd arc as Mars memory before opting for Mars chronicle.
Initially, the idea that Yoko was a sort of a tumor was repulsive, to say the least (and I still expect it to have a different dénouement), but I am getting used to the idea, anyway.

On that almost everybody agrees by now, I was talking about the small details of the plot, like Nollins role. Did Nollin even appear in Mars Memory? I have never played the game, in spite of I downloaded it in the past.

As a side comment, I was rereading the tuned agent arc and damn, how much better Gunnm was back then, the drawing, the action, the plot. The story now is but a shadow of what it once was. In particular the quality of the drawing has fallen so much, I can only think that Yukito is tired to keep drawing for such a long time and let the quality drop, I have seen this many times before with other artists, however if so why he keeps dragging so much? This huge flashback is killing me, I hope it ends as soon as possible.

Well to be fair, Alita is a much more likeable character than Muster, she has more screen time and has a more distinguishable personality, while Muster doesn't have any. It feels like Kishiro has gone for a more plot driven story(mystery driven as well) instead of being more character driven like the older arcs. Though I still think he'll surprise eventually like how many didn't like the vampire flashback at first but now many would consider it one of their favourite arc (which I would agree as well).

Also Mars Chronicle action hardly has any compared to last order and the first one, which I heard some stated that is the problem with Mars Chronicle is that there is not enough of it.

[kamugin]

Well to be fair, Alita is a much more likeable character than Muster, she has more screen time and has a more distinguishable personality, while Muster doesn't have any. It feels like Kishiro has gone for a more plot driven story(mystery driven as well) instead of being more character driven like the older arcs. Though I still think he'll surprise eventually like how many didn't like the vampire flashback at first but now many would consider it one of their favourite arc (which I would agree as well).

Also Mars Chronicle action hardly has any compared to last order and the first one, which I heard some stated that is the problem with Mars Chronicle is that there is not enough of it.

The vampire arc, while irksome long, had a lot of action and a pretty carismatic character was its center, Caerula Sangis. But now, in another dragged flashback, we have this bastard Muster. Eyesore villains must die quickly! We are in Mars, birthplace of the Panzer Kunst, a handful of kunstlers are alive (in spite of only Erica matters, the others are just annoying cannon fodder, unless Gerda appears) and what we had so far? That pathetic skirmish between Alita and Erica. Why make their past so eventful (before joining the ranks of the kunstlers)? Give us what we want to see, dammit!

(500 posts, yay! )

[00_unit]

Well to be fair, Alita is a much more likeable character than Muster, she has more screen time and has a more distinguishable personality, while Muster doesn't have any. It feels like Kishiro has gone for a more plot driven story(mystery driven as well) instead of being more character driven like the older arcs. Though I still think he'll surprise eventually like how many didn't like the vampire flashback at first but now many would consider it one of their favourite arc (which I would agree as well).

Also Mars Chronicle action hardly has any compared to last order and the first one, which I heard some stated that is the problem with Mars Chronicle is that there is not enough of it.

The vampire arc, while irksome long, had a lot of action and a pretty carismatic character was its center, Caerula Sangis. But now, in another dragged flashback, we have this bastard Muster. Eyesore villains must die quickly! We are in Mars, birthplace of the Panzer Kunst, a handful of kunstlers are alive (in spite of only Erica matters, the others are just annoying cannon fodder, unless Gerda appears) and what we had so far? That pathetic skirmish between Alita and Erica. Why make their past so eventful (before joining the ranks of the kunstlers)? Give us what we want to see, dammit!

(500 posts, yay! )

Trust me when I say, you are not alone many just want to see panzer kunst again and grunthal, it feels like mars chronicles has no characters we can root for at the moment and also how he raises more questions than answering them puts some readers in very frustrating position but some still wants to see if he can surprise readers, or if you are like others some are just satisfied with the alternate ending and stop there.

But I'm one of those people who personally didn't enjoy the alternate ending it felt rushed and kind of arbitrary.

[Sergio Nova]

@Kamugin

I have never played Mars memory. I am not exactly a fan of video games, to start with (and I have to admit my incompetence), but I dare say that I read the entire script.
There are significant differences (and once I am quoting by memory, many points are still missing, or I may even be saying foolishness), the most visible one is that Gally-Alita is received in Jeru by the Jovian ambassador, Potëmkin, and the tuned agents do no appear, while in Last Order Gally is part of a group with Nova, three tuned agents (Sechs, Elf and Zwölf) and the deckman Number 100. They are received by Aga Mbadi, who, despite the African name, is a mulatto (or whatever noun is the politically correct, I do not care) – at the same time, the name Potëmkin is reduced to a third (or fourth) level character that would have made no difference at all if he did not exist. Also, Gally-Alita gets involved with the embassies sector in Jeru, something that does not happen in Last Order, simply.

Before anything else, I must observe: I have been avoiding to comment some points because I did not want my text to be taken as something personal, but now you asked me directly, so I will certainly reply.

It has become a profession of faith from you to diminish the series. Comment after comment you have been depreciating the plot, the characters, the narrative, and finally the drawing. Honestly, it seemed strange to me that you had not reproved anything in the last comments – actually, you even said something positive recently – but now you are invigorated. As you keep reading chapter after chapter, I interpret your behavior as a sort of masochism, to say the least.

The main difference between the first arc and this third one is simple: the first arc is action-based, this third one is reflection-based. That is demonstrated in this specif topic, where everyone – you yourself included – is trying to anticipate the plot. That has a name in serialized literature: narrative quality.

As to a character like Muster, if the author does intend to explain Yoko’s origin, he is supposed to develop the circumstances. The narrative here is shocking, I dare say, but Kishiro has never lied to the readership. Actually, I would criticize his narrative in the opposite direction: volume one of Mars Chronicle is excessively violent, showing children killed as cockroaches. That made clear that this time the narrative would be by far more shocking than Last order, where that was limited to some episodes.

And you commit a crime against creativeness when you say “Give us what we want to see, dammit!”
Along the history of literature, great writers have always given us what they want to say. That is valid to Homer, Shakespeare, Machado de Assis or even Umberto Eco. What we want to see is given by minor works, and they do not survive to the passage of time.

As I said, this is a particular position of mine, and it is no way personal.

[00_unit]

@Kamugin

I have never played Mars memory. I am not exactly a fan of video games, to start with (and I have to admit my incompetence), but I dare say that I read the entire script.
There are significant differences (and once I am quoting by memory, many points are still missing, or I may even be saying foolishness), the most visible one is that Gally-Alita is received in Jeru by the Jovian ambassador, Potëmkin, and the tuned agents do no appear, while in Last Order Gally is part of a group with Nova, three tuned agents (Sechs, Elf and Zwölf) and the deckman Number 100. They are received by Aga Mbadi, who, despite the African name, is a mulatto (or whatever noun is the politically correct, I do not care) – at the same time, the name Potëmkin is reduced to a third (or fourth) level character that would have made no difference at all if he did not exist. Also, Gally-Alita gets involved with the embassies sector in Jeru, something that does not happen in Last Order, simply.

Another difference is how the tumors (jinmen seeds in game) originated from. The game is from vegetation and wild animals at Mars. Speaking of which I wander will they explain the origins behind the trap for the rod, like how it is made and why (I made the author already explain how some people turn into stone).

Also one of my minor problem with volume 1 is how there was this build up for the Papagei army and Siebler family and then suddenly the author just drops the storyline and moves on into another makes me wander that if how does go back to that plot point the question is when.

[kamugin]

Oh, dear! "WTF!" was my reaction when I read your comment, Sergio! I asked if you had a theory about the next developments of story, just for fun, just to kill time, I didn't ask your opinion about me or about the criticism I usually place on the plot.
I know you dislike me and I know it isn't without motive, I am the one to blame because in the past I said mean things about you. I left that far behind now and would like to take this chance to apologize to you.
My criticism regarding the way Kishiro have been driving the plot is another subject. I consider myself a fair person, I praise what I think deserves to be praised, I criticise what deserves to be criticised and I ignore what doesn't worth the trouble. I have been following Alita for almost twenty years now, I love this manga otherwise I would have dropped it already - and I seriously drop things, I grew up reading Marvel and I dropped all of it because it became plain crap, thus I'm not a masochist. The dearest an opus is to me, the hardest I hit the mallet on it if it becomes bad. I know my positioning tends to be extreme in many subjects, this is the way I am, deal with it.
I may be the loudest, however I am not the only one displeased with this arc of the plot, the rundabouts, the new characters, the lack of ass kicking. By the other hand, you seem to be the only one that is ok about the way things are going. Also you, Sergio, are wrong by comparing manga to high level literature, manga is art of masses, art of consume, in this way it is more alike to soap opera. Very often we see in the margin of the pages requests from the authors to the readers to write their impressions about the work and mail it to him/her. Much like a soap opera, a manga is an open work, if the feedback from the readers isn't good, the author hurries to change plot otherwise the manga may be shortened or even cancelled. There have been many cases, I can number some if you want. Franz Kafka wasn't thinking about eventual readers when he wrote his books, he sold none of them when he was alive, but you bet a bestseller writer is always thinking about how to please his/hers readers.

Once again I think it would be better to see if there is a way send feedback to Kishiro himself or to Kodansha, instead of wasting my Latin (Saxon?) here.