Gunnm/Battle Angel Alita Moive

[Chrome]

I see trailer gunnm MotorBall hmmmm......its good i think.
Iliked this trailer.When movie be end?? I must see this movie xD

That had nothing to do with the movie. That's Kishiro's own work, which was included with the Gunnm: Complete Edition in Japan, and it's already quite a few years old iirc.

There are no trailers for the new movie yet afaik.

[HumanRage]

I usually get disapointed after seeing movies made from anything. Like books n' manga. Thought, it would be pain in the arse if you'd never get to see this. To a fanatic fan atleast!

as a deep fan of Tolkien's books, i understand what you mean, money-making licenses always smell sh*t by default but for example in the LOTR trilogy, some pictures or scenes really made me cry, even if several "adjustements" were done i enjoyed the good parts. damn, NZ IS MiddleEarth when you see the landscape and scenes

i hope, if cameron is at least fan of Gunnm as he says, he will make us some greats views (hey guys, you don't want to see a panoramic 360 view and zooms of Tiphares-Zalem ?? don't make me cry blood please ...) and scenes (what a pity we will probably not see Jashugan and Gally armwrestling... but as long as there is makaku and falling Yugo, it's ok nonetheless)

do i have to say i'm waiting for this movie ?

ah, and no blood is not really a problem, hydraulic fluid will do

and sorry for my stoned poor english :S

[curly haired boy]

well, i hope the yugo part doesn't take too long. i didn't like him THAT much.

[Nepoproxy]

I agree, Off yugo quick and show more of the rest of the story

[Sergio Nova]

Let's be honest, chums: James Cameron is not exactly what I would call a great director. He has been succesful in commercial movies, but he is NOT an artist - and Kishiro's work did deserve to be given to an artist.

"Titanic", for example, is a piece of trash.
Actually, his only film that I did like is "Aliens", but that is an action movie, simply. It would be necessary a great story-teller to film Gunnm.

Anyway, I just hope the production will respect the original story.

Just to compare, the brothers who destryed a masterpiece like Alan Moore's "V for Vendetta", for example, should have been executed.

Exemples of good adaptations are "300" (Zack Snyder) and "Sin City" (Robert Rodrigues).

[denzacar]

Let's be honest, chums: James Cameron is not exactly what I would call a great director. He has been successful in commercial movies, but he is NOT an artist - and Kishiro's work did deserve to be given to an artist.

An "artist" (like say... David Lynch, or a so-called-artists like Tim Burton) would probably mess up the movie.

Kishiro didn't say "I'm gonna make an artistic manga, about finding that which is human in all of us" - he set out to make a manga with cyborgs that kick each other's buts.
When asked in a interview who would he choose to direct the Alita movie Kishiro said Paul Verhoven - not Ingmar Bergman.

Hell yes there is more to Battle Angel Alita then just action, but first and foremost it is a post-apocalyptic manga with cyborgs kickin' each other's asses.

And how many directors out there do you have that have: done such cyborg heavy movies (Terminators 1 and 2), have a money-makin' Oscar-winin' mega-blockbuster such a Titanic in their resume (yes - it is shit AFAIC but public and studios loved it), has done a "dry-run" of the subject with a TV series (Dark Angel has borrowed so much from GUNNM that it can almost be called "based upon..."), is known to go above and beyond in making the movie AND is a fan of the manga? Oh.. and has the rights for the movie adaptation already.

On Vendetta and others...

Wachowskis and McTeigue did a far better job then what I expected from them. Not as good as the story deserved but still - better than expected. Agent Elrond's charisma probably had something to do with that.
But, you can't compare adaptations of Moore's work to adaptations of Frank Miller's work.

Moore gives you 5 paragraphs per each illustration; Miller gives you 5 words per page.
Moore stacks 20 panels on a single page; Miller has half pages done with a single splash panel.
Moore's characters need hours of development; Miller's characters are hard-core stereotypes.

Adapting Moore's work into a movie is like throwing darts at the board and trying to hit triple point fields all the time. Adapting Miller - you just have to hit the dartboard.

[Sergio Nova]

That's it!
Zack Snyder would be a great director, don't ypu think?

[denzacar]

That's it!
Zack Snyder would be a great director, don't ypu think?

No.

So far he has done two movies. One is a remake, other one... well I said above what I think about adaptations of Frank Miller's work.
So far. I am sure Uwe Boll should be able to fuck up a Frank Miller movie AND blind himself with a dildo at the same time.

If he pulls of a 300 with Watchmen (which I doubt readin' posts on imdb) then he should rightfully wear the crown of the "Comicbook Movies King".
If he does not - he goes back in the "One Hit Wonders/Lucky Shots" box.


The thing is... No matter what - he ain't doin' Battle Angel Alita.
BAA and Watchmen movies are at the time slated at 3 months apart.
And since we still don't have access to parallel universes or time travel... it is highly unlikely he will find the time to do the project he is in no way associated with at the moment.
Or ever was.

[Sergio Nova]

See: it is your right if you like Cameron.
The fact is that he is NOt a director of characters.
When I said Snyder would do, I referred exactly to that.
In 300, the strength of Leonidas and Xerxes was result of a direcxtion of actors. It is true that both Butler and Santoro are great actors, as we could see, but it is also true that Snyder KNEW that how to work their talent.

Especially about Leonidas, the secret was Butler's voice, that Snyder used as a piece of fine engineering.

Cameron has NEVER done that. In Aliens, for example, a fabulous character like Ripley simply disappeared. There is no similarity with the same characters in Scott's film, although SYgourney IS a great actress.

In short, Ridley Scott's ALIEN was a film, while James Cameron's ALIENS was a movie.

I wonder how strong characters like Daisuke, Caerula and Shumira (stupid, but difficult to be interpreted) will appear.

[Sixwonsix]

funny thought... Has James Cameron even read all the Gunnm and gunnm LO volumes as the fans, "us" have? the answer yes... he says.

Now... will he go the crap movie path of just making a good movie? he is a director above all and it's a $$$ business.. Will he be making a movie for the unaffiliated public that don't know much about BAA and make that cash or... will he go the fanatic fan path... where he runs the risk of making a "bad movie" to the non-baa fans. he has a $200 million dollar budget to make a "good movie" with, in the eyes of the public.

Fanatic fan vs. money

just a thought.

[Sergio Nova]

The fact is: it is impossible to tell the entire story - even if he limits the narrative to the first series - to a 2-hour film. Alita would deserve a series. Each volume would become a 2-hour chapter.

[Sixwonsix]

I agree... and with this series... not even a trilogy would cover it.

[Cailon]

If someone knows the manga Blame! (by Tsutomu Nihei): This manga will also be adapted into a CG- movie. Here you can see the first results (torrent):
http://requiem-anime.net/tracker/torren ... D}.torrent

I really hope, that BAA gets a movie with better quality! I mean this is not bad, but it is definetaly NOT the manga Blame!. The manga lives from this calm atmosphere and these huge, huge structures but this is just an "action flick", like mentioned in the poll...

[Chrome]

The fact is: it is impossible to tell the entire story - even if he limits the narrative to the first series - to a 2-hour film. Alita would deserve a series. Each volume would become a 2-hour chapter.

Movies != Manga.

Movies are fundamentally different from any written form of media, and the story *will* be changed in some parts. You can't have some of the in-depth scenes that, according to some of you, would make up the entire story, simply because they don't work from a pacing point of view in a movie. Both Kishiro and Cameron very well understand that they are not trying to make an arthouse with some extreme violence scenes, they are making an action-flick with some philosophical lining. They aren't *trying* to adapt the manga 1:1.

The movie will very probably consist of mainly 2 parts. One, where Alita is found by Ido, given the berserker body and limited introduction of the hunter-warrior. Two, where she falls in love with Hugo, loses him in the hunter-warrior context, and breaks down to the point of needing Motorball to 'process' her loss - With maybe a hint to her Martian heritage, but nothing more.

These 2 parts will probably intertwine in the middle to make a more cohesive whole, but Makaku and Zapan will very likely only be small sidecharacters, if they appear at all. Makaku's story very much leans on a scene where his history is explained, and that is a big no-no in a movie for what is essentially a one-time sidecharacter that gets killed. Zapan's role is somewhat more significant, but still only an instrument to the actual event: Hugo getting a bounty and Alita being forced to bring him in. It all works in a manga, but it completely ruins a movie that has to be shown to people that don't know the manga it's based on.

I think the movie will pan out to be a book adaptation ala LOTR: It has all the essential qualities, characters and details that make up LOTR, while still being a good *movie* rather than a line to line adaptation of the book. I'm very much prepared to give Cameron the benefit of the doubt on this one, and i'll wait for the first teaser/trailer to appear before i make up my mind even slightly.

[Cailon]

Well, I thought about it again, maybe you're right, Chrome (and everyone else, who likes the movie- idea). Ok, it wont be BAA from the manga, but it really can't be like that, thats true.

Also there is a boom in comic- movies these days and soon all american heros will have their movies, so the producers must look on other comic- markets and thats where japan comes in.
May be this is only the beginning of a big movie making with manga heros and, if the BAA movie does well on cimenas, we might get a second part or so. Just look at Spiderman and stuff, they aren't the comic, but they aren't THAT bad, and even F4 got a sequel

And since we can't change anything anyway... errr..

[Chrome]

I'm pretty sure the movie will be quite good and faithful to the manga, for a simple reason. Cameron wanted to make a movie out of Gunnm. It's a name that's practically unknown in the Western world, so he didn't do it becuase of the name - So he must be doing it because of the theme and story.

Also, rejoice, because he plans on making at least 3 movies out of it

[Sixwonsix]

I'm pretty sure the movie will be quite good and faithful to the manga, for a simple reason. Cameron wanted to make a movie out of Gunnm. It's a name that's practically unknown in the Western world, so he didn't do it becuase of the name - So he must be doing it because of the theme and story.

Also, rejoice, because he plans on making at least 3 movies out of it

IM gonna start writing him death letters muahahahahhaha

jk

I selfishly hope for 10 movies ahhaha