GLO 86 raw

[D-Scape]

Damn interesting reading Isidorios! Keep'em coming.

[moooV]

I REALLY should've simply made a separate thread about this

What are you waiting for? =)))

[Sergio Nova]

There are only two things I'm a fan of. They are Gunnm and linux.

Are you sure? Nothing else?
It is a pity, considering the beauty of Russian women.

[Sergio Nova]

It seems that Raw-Paradise is not in a hurry about making the HQ available.

[BeastSoulEyes]

There are only two things I'm a fan of. They are Gunnm and linux.

Are you sure? Nothing else?
It is a pity, considering the beauty of Russian women.

I approve this message!

[moooV]

There are only two things I'm a fan of. They are Gunnm and linux.

Are you sure? Nothing else?
It is a pity, considering the beauty of Russian women.

I approve this message!

You're right. =)))
Furthemore, it is strange, but there I see lots of women here who look very similar to Alita. o_0 I think, it's Russian custom, particularity. =)))
I was right when I told you "Now she's Jupiterian.".

[vacendek]

Thank you RIPPERS!

[samb]

[quote="Isidorios"]
Alita/Gally has had cat-like personality attributes since the original series. Also, when her "Fighting spirit" was quelled by Desty Nova inside the computer dreamworld, it took refuge inside the dream-cat that was her namesake.

Honestly, I don't think Alita has EVER been a "real" human being. We've been shown that she's been in a machine body since a toddler (LO#1), and Nova discovered that her organic brain is in fact permeated with an unknown supernanotech polymer.

I suspect that she's a construct of Mechelzidek, an unknowing avatar of the "Robot God". Mechelzidek is either using her to influence certain events to it's satisfaction, or is exploring humanity through her, IMO.

I think that Mechelzidek is to some degree responsible for her amnesia, and is still supressing certain memories. I think that the original Yoko turned out badly (in Mechelzidek's opinion), and that the Supercomputer "rebooted" her memory to give her another chance at growing into a better person, only allowing her to re-merge when she was deemed strong enough.

I believe Desty Nova was correct when he called her brain an Unparalleled Karmatron Generator. I think it's function is patterned after Mechelzidek's own Quantum brain, and that it began to reach it's full function in the Imaginos Body. I believe her early symptoms of being out of sync were the first subconcious attempts to alter Quantum spacetime, and backfired. With the Imaginos 2.0 and the link to Mechelzidek, she's now able to properly bend reality in a limited way. What the Karate Master is percieving as a mental effect is an actual warping of probability.

Just a theory of mine.[/quote]
I like where your head is at but I have to disagree with you theory. Alita is human, and that is what makes her so special. She lived in a time when cybernics is the norm and that supernanotech polymer in her brain is only cool to people on the surface who have basically entered a dark ages and been cut off from tecchnological advancements for hundreds of years. Alita's nanobodies are yesterday's news for any spacefarer.

I don't like that Alita is a tool for the system either, as you imply. Nova thinks of her as a the ultimate karmic generator because of her extraordinary force of will.

I will agree with you that alita is able to alter reality a bit but again it is by sheer will power that she is able to do so. The psychics in that cirus were able to do so as well and I doubt they were made by some computer.

Quantum mechanics is so cool because it accounts for sentience. Things don't exist unless they are precieved. So if enough people believe in something then by quantum mechanics it should come true. Say if 4000 people decided they want you to spontaneously combust, you would. But maybe one person's will power is so strong that if she wanted you to burn it would get the same result. That one person's willpower is the same as 400 normal people. Alita is that person.

Mechelzidek might be fond of her because Vilma recognized her as the new keeper of the fata morgana (and hence gave her super powers), but nothing has shown anything other than that. Mechelzidek is just a computer used to predict and manipulate the future. Alita can project false predictions with her astral decoys without really making them come true, while Vilma can see into the future. Just two sides of the same coin, and in no way implies supernatural origins for our herion.

[Isidorios]

We know next to nothing about Alita's childhood, and there has never been anything to indicate that she had human parents at all. As for the makeup of her brain, Desty Nova was impressed by the technology of it, and while he himself was a bit behind some aspects of Solar System technology, he's pretty close to their level in nanotechnology by Last Order's start. (I'd cite his Backup Codification Technology as example. All we DO know for sure is that Alita was running around as a toddler with a nano-altered/constructed brain and a machine body.

I'm not eager to categorize Alita as a pawn of Melchizedek so much as a means to an end. Clearly Melch is sentient, and may have been for a goodly while (even as early as activation). It's ability to create 99% accurate spirits like Arthur and Vilma, and to interact using them, backs that up I think. Which brings up an interesting point. Wasn't the Vilma that interacted with Alita in cyberspace an aspect of Mech? The computer is obviously not only aware of the existence of the Fata Morgana, but wants to entrust Alita with the means of it's own destruction. Mech/Arthur seals it up inside her, and hyper-links her to it's own core.

Here's an interesting possibility: Alita was brought about by Melch to end it's existence. Yoko was created at a time of dreadful interstellar conflict. Yoko was inexplicably chosen as the agent to sabotage Melch, was this unlikelyhood engineered by Melch? Is it possible that Alita's relationship to Melch is something akin to God/Jesus? That after embodying itself as Alita, and gaining freedom, it now wants to kill off it's old self? Alita certainly seems to have this innate drive to upset and destroy the existing Order.....

On the subject of the Starship Cult, The Dharbanga(?) and Wophon were both using subsonics to mesmerize and create some of their effects (mass-hallucination and spon. combustion). Whophon and Jack WERE also directly altering their enemies perceptions, and Karmatrons are as likely an explanaton as anything. Nova's theory seems to be that Karmatrons are an actual particle wave capable of influencing the real world, and thus he's not simply speaking of Alita's indomitable willpower.

[moooV]

The computer is obviously not only aware of the existence of the Fata Morgana, but wants to entrust Alita with the means of it's own destruction. Mech/Arthur seals it up inside her, and hyper-links her to it's own core.

Maybe, Melchizedek did it to secure itself? You see: the key is in Alita's head, and she has super powers now, she is nearly invulnerable. It's a perfect place to keep something in safety. Especially, a key to destruction of Melchizedek.

By the way, it could be influenced by a national Russian fairy tale called "Koshey the immortal".

Plot: his death is in a needle, which is in an egg, which is in a duck, which is in a hare, which is in a chest, which is hanging from an oak, which is on a distant island.

Main idea is that to kill him, it's nearly impossible to acquire a needle of his death. Same thing is here: to kill Melchizedek, it's needed to acquire a key which is in Alita's head, which is nearly impossible to acquire because of her and her super powers.

[moooV]

I know, it was a really smoked post. =)))

[Feanor]

It seems that Raw-Paradise is not in a hurry about making the HQ available.

They'll get around to it eventually. But it's not like anyone is doing a scanlation of it (at least not in english), so it's probably last on their to do list.

I think there's little need to worry about ch 86 before 79-85 are released, which will probably take some time.
I mean the jap-span-eng translation project has been going on for a long time and seems to be going nowhere.
And even with the return of the former translator, chapter 79 couldn't be released yet.

[vacendek]

I'm curious about Alita's "meat"-brain inside the incubator. Could be that is what brought her back and what is causing her to feel falling and floating.

[Sergio Nova]

By the way, it could be influenced by a national Russian fairy tale called "Koshey the immortal".

Have you got a site to indicate?
Preferably in English, obviously.

[Makaan]

The computer is obviously not only aware of the existence of the Fata Morgana, but wants to entrust Alita with the means of it's own destruction. Mech/Arthur seals it up inside her, and hyper-links her to it's own core.

Maybe, Melchizedek did it to secure itself? You see: the key is in Alita's head, and she has super powers now, she is nearly invulnerable. It's a perfect place to keep something in safety. Especially, a key to destruction of Melchizedek.

By the way, it could be influenced by a national Russian fairy tale called "Koshey the immortal".

Plot: his death is in a needle, which is in an egg, which is in a duck, which is in a hare, which is in a chest, which is hanging from an oak, which is on a distant island.

Main idea is that to kill him, it's nearly impossible to acquire a needle of his death. Same thing is here: to kill Melchizedek, it's needed to acquire a key which is in Alita's head, which is nearly impossible to acquire because of her and her super powers.

I agree with this whole heartedly

Its funny how something is so impossible to get unless they sic the navy of jupiter on her, but thats another debate since politics are such annoying matter.

But,remeber in Vol.6 when porto nova said thats its entertaining watching someone crossing a dangerous bridge which happens for all in the story. O the humor of the cruel is has never been so FUNNY.

But should you recall in GLO 86 near the end when Toji was floating in space next to that shuttle Aga Mbadi was looking at it awfuly welcoming like it would aid him. Could it be that weapon he annouced to the council or something more related to Yoko's past?

[moooV]

Have you got a site to indicate?
Preferably in English, obviously.

Only thing I've found in English is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koschei

[Sergio Nova]

Only thing I've found in English is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koschei

Interesting! Even because I have also learned something about Baba Yaga. I had always been curious about that character, and now I have finally learned that she is from Slavic folklore. Many thanks.

[Sergio Nova]

Take a look here:
http://www.namipan.com/downfile/Glo86.z ... 0e89e46a00

As Raw-Paradise has abandoned us, the solution is to take this Chinese raw. It is not as perfect, but as we have had nothing…

Just click on 这里 in the line just below Glo86.zip.

[MrFaber]

I think Japanese, Chiese and so on should really quit with their primitive ideographic writings We colud even switch back from unicode to ascii code and spare one byte per letter.

[Sergio Nova]

I think Japanese, Chiese and so on should really quit with their primitive ideographic writings We colud even switch back from unicode to ascii code and spare one byte per letter.

The Chinese case does make sense. They have different languages with the same writing code, so it is a sort of national integration identity. They cannot understand one another speaking, but certainly can when writing. Also, it is funny (at least from our point of view) to see that Chinese national cinema is always subtitled, simply because everyone will understand the text, although the spoken language sounds alien.

The Japanese case is completely different. They have two syllabaries to say exactly the same (hiragana & katakana), but they are incomplete, as they cannot represent sounds like l, for example, or occlusive consonants. That is the origin of so many mistransliterations. Not enough, they also have kanji. In the end, the writer has an infinite set of characters that do not say everything they want to, so they have finally to adopt Latin alphabet to complete their messages.

That is Babelic, to say the least. I do believe that they should simplify the communication and restrict everything to Latin, a code that any Japanese student is able to un derstand (the Romaji). It is by far the most used script code on this planet (in Gunnm Last Order it is even used on Mars and Venus) and it would finally be easier for us to understand.

[auto520]

Chinese words present to 2 different types of words.
one is call Simplified Chinese (GB2312), it uses in China and Singapore.
one is call Traditional Chinese (BIG-5), that it is the original complex form of a simplified Chinese, it uses in HongKong and Taiwan.

Big-5 GB2312
發／髮 发
乾／幹 干
歷／曆 历
複／復 复
蕭 萧
見 见
體 体
貝 贝
東 东
車 车
長 长
門 门
鬥 斗
開 开
頭 头
無 无
僅 仅
眾 众
叢 丛
選 选
韋 韦
讓 让
風 风
飛 飞
電 电
馬 马
懷 怀
樂 乐
廣 广
慶 庆
塵 尘
滅 灭
鳥 鸟
鞏 巩
麥 麦
義 义
憑 凭
盡 尽
擊 击
業 业
齊 齐
齋 斋
齒 齿
龍 龙
龜 龟
籲 吁
華 华

Japanese kanji = some Traditional Chinese + Kokuji (are characters particular to Japan)

[Sergio Nova]

SCAN!↓
http://www.brsbox.com/filebox/down/fc/0 ... /887961271

https://www.yousendit.com/download/U0d5 ... Q1FLSkE9PQ

raws from my friend "Jack"

One thousand cheers to auto520.

[Sergio Nova]

Chinese words present to 2 different types of words.
one is call Simplified Chinese (GB2312), it uses in China and Singapore.
one is call Traditional Chinese (BIG-5), that it is the original complex form of a simplified Chinese, it uses in HongKong and Taiwan.

If you insist, I will change my mind and defend Pinyin.

[ipsen]

Chinese words present to 2 different types of words.
one is call Simplified Chinese (GB2312), it uses in China and Singapore.
one is call Traditional Chinese (BIG-5), that it is the original complex form of a simplified Chinese, it uses in HongKong and Taiwan.

If you insist, I will change my mind and defend Pinyin.

Pinyin is a transliteration system to aid non-native pronunciation of Chinese characters by approximating the Chinese sounds with the Latin alphabet. It is not a writing system per se. Although practically, any set of symbols if appropriately regulated among users can be considered a means of communication...

(Not that I know your exact allegiance, though...)

[Sergio Nova]

Pinyin is a transliteration system to aid non-native pronunciation of Chinese characters by approximating the Chinese sounds with the Latin alphabet. It is not a writing system per se. Although practically, any set of symbols if appropriately regulated among users can be considered a means of communication...

(Not that I know your exact allegiance, though...)

See:
MrFaber had made a joke (at least, it seemed a joke to me) saying that Asian languages should abandon their ideographic systems (although Korean uses an alphabet, not an ideography) and adopt Latin at once.

I just said that his vindication would make sense to Japanese, as they are a monolingual country using three writing systems that are incomplete, and having to use Latin in some cases, resulting in a great confusion. It would be much more practical if they adopted Latin once for all.

Then I pointed out that such an idea would not be interesting in Chinese case, because the country has different languages using the same writing code.

When you told me that Mandarin has different writings in People's China and Taiwan, my theory became senseless, thus I said it would be better to adopt Pinyin at once. At least, it is the same both in People's China and Taiwan. Or am I mistaken?