GARY! It is Gary...

[gilsand]

My Sis was watching Blade Runner.
I blame all this on an overactive imagination
and the result of a sick mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8GMPYHfZWI

[Sergio Nova]

What do you mean exactly?
The character's name is spelled Gally.
Just remember Japanese do not pronounce L, so their pronunciation sounds Gary.
Simply that.

[DDTL]

Just remember Japanese do not pronounce L, so their pronunciation sounds Gary.
Simply that.

Isn't it the other way around ? Neither the Japanese and Chinese people I met last year were able to pronounce R, they pronounced it like "L" (or sort of). I used to make (gently) fun of them since they were unable to pronounce my first name correctly (they were saying "Flançois" instead of François).




This make me think that I should get back to work... Damn it

[Sergio Nova]

Neither the Japanese and Chinese people I met last year were able to pronounce R, they pronounced it like "L" (or sort of).

1. As far as I know, it is exactly as I said when referring to Japanese. If you check any hiragana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana)/katakana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana) table, you will see there is no L sound in the syllabaries.
2. Talking about Chinese is a little more complex, as they have different languages. The main language, Mandarin, works the opposite of Japanese, that is, they do not have the consonant R, so they will pronounce Flançois instead of François.

[gilsand]

Neither the Japanese and Chinese people I met last year were able to pronounce R, they pronounced it like "L" (or sort of).

1. As far as I know, it is exactly as I said when referring to Japanese. If you check any hiragana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana)/katakana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katakana) table, you will see there is no L sound in the syllabaries.
2. Talking about Chinese is a little more complex, as they have different languages. The main language, Mandarin, works the opposite of Japanese, that is, they do not have the consonant R, so they will pronounce Flançois instead of François.

Good Morning.
I was at a famly gathering yesterday and my nephews friend was bragging about his new collection of Alita from VIZ.

I remarked that her real name was Gally, and that she was named after his Male Cat, GARY. Makes sense that?
Because Ido is Japanese Gary, is Gally when he pronounces her name.
Gonzu makes mention of that with the "wasn't that your Cat?"
Anyway, you guys made my argument for me, and the Uncle was right.
Cool?
Anyway I thought it was.....

[Sergio Nova]

I had already analyzed her name. I believe you have never checked the glossary.

The story takes place in an English language environment, The Scrapyard, so it makes sense that Kishiro gave an English language name to the main character. Gally is an English verb, defined by Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary as frighten, terrify. Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary defines it as frighten, worry. It is clear the reference to a powerful enemy.

Also, the name sounds as a feminization of Garry, an English name meaning spearbringer. It makes sense when we see her original name: Yoko von der Rasierklinge - razor blade, in German.

And other Martians characters have also German names, also with clear meanings. Erica means powerful as an eagle, rich in honor and glory (what is Frau X, exactly?); Gerda means thin as a wand, willowy - a perfect description of the soldier's body.

Finally, the Japanese name Ido means great help - very appropriate.

Unfortunately, the American edition invented a name completely out of the onomastic system. Alita is the Arabic name of the goddess Venus, but she is Martian, for God's sake.

The onomastics in Kishiro's work is a very interesting study, to say the least.

[edit]
I have just found this on the web: Alita is also the name of a orthorhombic mineral, calcium silicoaluminate. If you cannot understand where the Americans found such a befuddlement, please do not ask me.

[gilsand]

So then..
Was the Male Cat Named Gary or not?

Also is she not named after said Cat?

Those were my only arguments being made to the Kid.

Lot of good information, I have no dought he will be at this site to read all this too.
(Hi there Bob!)

[Sergio Nova]

So then..
Was the Male Cat Named Gary or not?

Also is she not named after said Cat?

1. I cannot read Japanese, but as far as I understand, the male cat was already named Gally, and the cyborg (or should I say cyborgess?) is really named after the cat.

[gilsand]

So then..
Was the Male Cat Named Gary or not?

Also is she not named after said Cat?

1. I cannot read Japanese, but as far as I understand, the male cat was already named Gally, and the cyborg (or should I say cyborgess?) is really named after the cat.

DUDE! THANKYOU!

It is rare when an "Old Fart", out does a kid concerning Anime.

But I did get all the Germanic name Refs you made.
I used to be part of a NATO detachment, Air Delivery Specalist, lived in Germany for a year and a half, a year in Italy, and countless S.E. Asia locations.
Used to be fluent in German, and although I have 4 years study of Nihongo, I will admit I have forgotten much and can only remember about a hundred Kanji.

Thanks again for making my day,
and yes, I took the kids $5.00.
He did say put up or shut up.

BTW, I was expecting to actually hear more about using sceans from Blade runner, and the Anime to create that video to make my point to the kid.
I thought the Vangelis score fit rather well, didn't you?

[Sergio Nova]

Scenes of Blade Runner?

Well, I cannot understand. Anyway, I appreciate your works as an spectator, only. I am completely ignorant about the usewd techniques.

[gilsand]

Scenes of Blade Runner?

Well, I cannot understand. Anyway, I appreciate your works as an spectator, only. I am completely ignorant about the usewd techniques.

Good! The whole idea of doing these is for enjoyment.
Everything I do to create these should be invisible to you.
You should not notice that 5 seconds of animation is
really 24 drawings per second (120), but Ido walking.
You really shouldn't "hear" the music, but realise that it invokes an emotion.
Of course my goal is to make each one better than the previous one.
The high reguard, and the knowledge of Kishiro's work that is contained here
is phenominal and has definitly guided me in studies.
Thank you very much, again.

[kvhokuto]

It's definitely not gary. All japanese merchandise has her name romanized as Gally.

[gilsand]

It's definitely not gary. All japanese merchandise has her name romanized as Gally.

Hmmmm, are you shure about that?
Then what name do I see for the T-shirt?

[Sergio Nova]

り is ri in katakana, simply because li does NOT exist in that syllabary. if you are using an automatic translator, no other result is possible.

[gilsand]

り is ri in katakana, simply because li does NOT exist in that syllabary. if you are using an automatic translator, no other result is possible.

In that point.
However of the two means of writing, is not one for use of Native Japanese words,
and the other denotes a word/name that is not of Japanese orgin?

Hiragana-http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... Kk9ZF8AzAw

Katakana-http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... HIHg6nFZXg
How to Write Katakana
Katakana is one of the three Japanese writing scripts along with hiragana and kanji.
Katakana is used when writing down foreign names, places, and words of foreign origin.


The spelling shown is an exact transliteration of Gary, is it not?
later daze,

[Sergio Nova]

Actually, there are two systems to write Japanese.

1. Kanji, an ideographic system. This one is supported by two syllabaries. Considering the syllabaries are exactly the same, with no difference at all, it does NOT seem to have been a very intelligent idea to develop a transcription code in duplicity. Even because both systems lack characters like v and l.

2. Romaji, the Latin alphabet. In this case all main characters are supported, and in this case they WILL write Gally.


Yes, the shown spelling is the exact transliteration of Gary.

[gilsand]

Actually, there are two systems to write Japanese.

1. Kanji, an ideographic system. This one is supported by two syllabaries. Considering the syllabaries are exactly the same, with no difference at all, it does NOT seem to have been a very intelligent idea to develop a transcription code in duplicity. Even because both systems lack characters like v and l.

2. Romaji, the Latin alphabet. In this case all main characters are supported, and in this case they WILL write Gally.


Yes, the shown spelling is the exact transliteration of Gary.

Sergio,
I love having these diatrabs with you!
It is not that I agree or disagree, but the fact that you are way over there in Brazil,
and I here in California.
Too cool for words.

BTW: That 30 second test animation is part of a
whole seris of Screen Saver modules I was going
to give to you guys. Should run like any SSVR under
Win XP and Win 7. Would you guys be at all
interested in having this?
Thanks again and Later Daze,

[Sergio Nova]

Sergio,
I love having these diatrabs with you!
It is not that I agree or disagree, but the fact that you are way over there in Brazil,
and I here in California.
Too cool for words.

Now I felt discriminated.
Americans love (even in the encyclopedias) to put other countries in minor classification.
Let's have an agreement: either you refer to two countries (USA & Brazil) or two states (California and São Paulo).
It does not seem that difficult.

[gilsand]

Sergio,
I love having these diatrabs with you!
It is not that I agree or disagree, but the fact that you are way over there in Brazil,
and I here in California.
Too cool for words.

Now I felt discriminated.
Americans love (even in the encyclopedias) to put other countries in minor classification.
Let's have an agreement: either you refer to two countries (USA & Brazil) or two states (California and São Paulo).
It does not seem that difficult.

Sergio,
You are too sensitve!
For Example, I am an American Indian (Yaquie Tribe), and I am
naturally treated as a second class citizen in my own country.
I am a disabled Veteran, and people just naturally stare "when the cripple walks".
When stationed in Japan, the covert insults were painfull also.
Least of all Gaijin, (outsider).

So having to deal with countless insult in my life,
I would never intentionally insult you or
another person in such a manner.
Now stand up stright and be proud of yourself.
Use my motto: A.A.O. adapt and overcome

[moooV]

2 gilsand:

Spoiler:

I am a disabled Veteran

No offence/insults, just curious - were you injured in a hot spot (somewhere else, like Afghanistan or Iraq), or you were recruited into an army in that condition?

Why I'm asking this - just to compare. As far as I know, in U.S. army isn't obligatory.


Here (in Russia) all males are taken to the army by force when they turn 18. It's called a "citizen debt", which means that you're in debt to your country since your birth. Simply, because you're alive - you're in debt to the previous generations.

There are only two ways to evade the army - you have to enter the university and get a degree (a master's diploma won't work - you have to get a PhD), or be unfit for army (have many heavy physical ilnesses) or even be disabled.
If you evade the army (by hiding from the military commissioners for example), you are branded a deserter and go to jail for 5 years at least.

If you're kicked out/you drop out of the university, you're taken to the army immediately. I beleive, that's why hepar hasn't been around for exactly 1 year.


What about myself - I'm studying at the university (1 year left to get a magister) and I'm planning to get a PhD afterwards (yes, 5 more years of education). However, I don't even have to - I'm unfit for the army due to my serious problems with the spine and heart problems. I mean, I'm unfit in the time of peace - in case of a war on the country's territory and mobilization of the whole population I'll be taken there, surely. Luckily, last time it happened on February 23th, 1942.

This causes lots of problems and corruption - two times a year for 3 months (the whole autumn and spring), when the military call-up is on, lots of mothers bring their children (who are finishing school) to the military comissariats for a medical expertise.

Not to mention, that that expertise is EXTREMELY preconceived, thus meaning that the doctors can DEMAND payment for accepting the right diagnosis (unofficially, of course), even if you have a lot of documents and your lifetime-long medical card with you.
I mean, I've been there. I didn't pay anyone, but they didn't want to admit I'm having serious spine problems (I'm forbidden to lift weights more than 15kg) even though I've had FOUR KILOGRAMMS (!!!) of medical documents with me. I've been examined several times by different examiners, but only one stated I'm having it (I mean, they KNEW I'm having it - they just wanted a bribe).

What to speak about. I've seen a guy (!!!) WITHOUT AN EYE being branded "perfectly healthy and with a perfect 1:1 eyesight", simply because he didn't pay doctors.

That's just a rotten system with loads of corruption. With no use at all.

It was good when there was a Soviet Union, but nowadays it's simply an idiotism. The only punishment measure for corruptionists was an execution, but now... they get a medal for it (some of them are even made heroes).

What a shame.

[gilsand]

2 gilsand:

Spoiler:

I am a disabled Veteran

No offence/insults, just curious - were you injured in a hot spot (somewhere else, like Afghanistan or Iraq), or you were recruited into an army in that condition?

Why I'm asking this - just to compare. As far as I know, in U.S. army isn't obligatory.


Here (in Russia) all males are taken to an army by force when they turn 18. It's called a "citizen debt", which means that you're in debt to your country since your birth. Simply, because you're alive - you're in debt to the previous generations.

There are only two ways to evade the army - you have to enter the university and get a degree (a master's diploma won't work - you have to get a PhD), or be unfit for army (have many heavy physical ilnesses) or even be disabled.
If you evade the army (by hiding from the military commissioners for example), you are branded a deserter and go to jail for 5 years at least.

If you're kicked out/you drop out of the university, you're taken to the army immediately. I beleive, that's why hepar hasn't been around for exactly 1 year.


What about myself - I'm studying at the university (1 year left to get a magister) and I'm planning to get a PhD afterwards (yes, 5 more years of education). However, I don't even have to - I'm unfit for the army due to my serious problems with the spine and heart problems. I mean, I'm unfit in the time of peace - in case of a war on the country's territory and mobilization of the whole population I'll be taken there, surely. Luckily, last time it happened on February 23th, 1942.

This causes lots of problems and corruption - two times a year for 3 months (the whole autumn and spring), when the military call-up is on, lots of mothers bring their children (who are finishing school) to the military comissariats for a medical expertise.

Not to mention, that that expertise is EXTREMELY preconceived, thus meaning that the doctors can DEMAND payment for accepting the right diagnosis (unofficially, of course), even if you have a lot of documents and your lifetime-long medical card with you.
I mean, I've been there. I didn't pay anyone, but they didn't want to admit I'm having serious spine problems (I'm forbidden to lift weights more than 15kg) even though I've had FOUR KILOGRAMMS (!!!) of medical documents with me. I've been examined several times by different examiners, but only one stated I'm having it (I mean, they KNEW I'm having it - they just wanted a bribe).

What to speak about. I've seen a guy (!!!) WITHOUT AN EYE being branded "perfectly healthy and with a perfect 1:1 eyesight", simply because he didn't pay doctors.

That's just a rotten system with loads of corruption. With no use at all.

It was good when there was a Soviet Union, but nowadays it's simply an idiotism. The only punishment measure for corruptionists was an execution, but now... they get a medal for it (some of them are even made heroes).

What a shame.

No Insult taken, and since you asked.
I joined at 17, a volunteer, Sgt. 1st Class - Air Delivery Specalist, Army.
I was a Paratrooper, and have many jumps from
a C-141 @ 300 MPH to heilos at 12,000 feet.
That caused major wear and tear to my body.
I was also drug by a parachute, and add exposure to a
solvent which has destroyed my imune system and
is eatting away the cartlidge.
It requires a weekly Chemo, and bi-weekly infusions to keep me walking.
I can clearly relate to what you are dealing with.
Like I say A.A.O.

[Sergio Nova]

Here (in Russia) all males are taken to the army by force when they turn 18. It's called a "citizen debt", which means that you're in debt to your country since your birth. Simply, because you're alive - you're in debt to the previous generations.

There are only two ways to evade the army - you have to enter the university and get a degree (a master's diploma won't work - you have to get a PhD), or be unfit for army (have many heavy physical ilnesses) or even be disabled.
If you evade the army (by hiding from the military commissioners for example), you are branded a deserter and go to jail for 5 years at least.

Initially I thought you were talking about Brazil. The first paragraph is exactly the same. There is nothing to change.The irony is that our constitution solemnly guarantees equal rights and obligations to males and females. Some paragraphs later it says that every MALE citizen is obliged to give one year of his youth when he turns 18. Anyway, the same constitution that guarantees equal rights says that men retire at 65 and women at 60. I have to conclude that the redactors were incompetent. That is not rare in Brazil, believe me. To start with, our president is semiliterate.

The difference is: if you are going to the university, the armed forces will wait for your graduation. Then you will have the "opportunity" to work for TWO years to them. Is it not touching?

The problem in going to the armed forces, especially navy, is that there are lots of faggots in commanding positions (and other positions as well). Queers do love military uniforms. People who do not enjoy such form of socialization have to be smart. And that because the military code says that homosexuality is a crime (yes, in Brazil, even nowadays, it is forbidden to be homosexual in the armed forces, believe it or not).

And, yes, if you evade the military service you are desperately fucked.

Oh, yes! There is a way to avoid the military service: you must declare that you are a Jehovah's Witness and take a declaration from your congregation. In short, as George Orwell said, all animals are alike… but some animals are more alike than others.

[gilsand]

I myself joined as it was the only way I could see to go to college.
Of course the Pension and free Medical are now a Godsend.

Of course Sergio, I will try to be mindful of the difference
between São Paulo, Brazil, and California, USA

(Sure is a bitch to find the tild to use for the "ã")

[Sergio Nova]

(Sure is a bitch to find the tild to use for the "ã")

Well, the solution is to use the ABNT2 keyboard. You can write in any Western-Latin based language (Portuguese, Spanish, French, Catalan, Galician, Basque, German, Dutch, Guarani, and God knows what else).

Now it is my turn to torment you: we Brazilians are not so self-centered. We know there are other civilizations on the globe.

[gilsand]

Now it is my turn to torment you: we Brazilians are not so self-centered. We know there are other civilizations on the globe.

I have my faults, which My friends and family have no problem pointing out to me.

But as an individual I have lived and traveled much
of Europe and S.E. Asia, for over three years.
So I am far from being the typical "Ugly American".

I am not as such a self centered North American as you might think