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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:44 pm
by CharyOdd
Dream wrote:
ganku wrote:Hmm ... another idea.
Had you heard about "genetical exp." ?
THIS could be a great possibility!
Never heard of it. Any link or explaination please?
I think ganku was thinkin about this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_memory

I think that this French "gesigner" implanted whole bunch of zekka gens to archive beter fighting inteligence.. in to every creature in zott..

About team streanght i also agree that they will be extraordinary.. They defeted former Zott champion (it was also venusian team) so maybe it will be organic beserker :D:D:D meat that can fuse with metal :lol:

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:37 pm
by Sergio Nova
maguswarlock wrote:hmm

does anyone remember the show babylon 5
it had the two most powerful races, vorlons and shadows, using organic like technology for their ships, and they were beating the crap out of everyone else.
Great analogy!!

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:33 pm
by wowylied
The raw is on raw paradise !
A great chapter with 'l'Homme du feu".

Le chapitre est sur raw paradise !
Un très bon chapitre avec des info sur "l'homme du feu".

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:04 pm
by kvhokuto
what? where's gally? Oh NO not this again!

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:13 pm
by Dream

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:21 pm
by Twitchywrote
Huh....so...even with genetic engineering, you have to raise your creations? That's certainly what it looks like. Hm.

Also....page 13...Great Martian King! WOO HOO!

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:40 pm
by MrFaber
Wow, the second werewolf on alita! (see Jugo encounter) the first one was pretty uncompetitive anyway :)

Maybe one of next chapters shoul be some flashback from deckman 100 for how the story is going on, maybe of when he was walking a street and found a 100 chips coin on the ground.

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:00 pm
by wowylied
I think i will make a colo with this chapter.

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:17 pm
by Dream
Beautifull chapter, but I wish Yukito Kishiro would spend less time creating and develloping new characters and actually devellop what's already there.
Damn. One chapter and the match isn't even started yet. We are at least going to have 4 chapters of Zekka vs Zekka now. Damnit.

:(

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:17 pm
by crazyankan
Can't wait for the girl name.
I bet it is another reference from somewhere :)

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:23 pm
by Dream
the katakana says "Orampu"
But i can't find anything in french that match with it. Some litterature reference, maybe.

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:13 pm
by Sergio Nova
crazyankan wrote:Can't wait for the girl name.
I bet it is another reference from somewhere :)
Indeed! Kishiro has so many references that we need an entire library to search.

Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:29 pm
by MrFaber
Yeah, but to have something happening too wouldn't be bad, kishiro starts to rememeber me george martin, for those who read a song of fire and ice :D

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:01 am
by Kamui04
Pretty much the chapter is self explanatory.

The girl name is Olympe while Homme du Feu original name is Igrek. And as you can see his nature gets the best of him and tries to eat her and finds out she's an Android.

The last few pages she reveals that although she's an Android her feelings for him were real. Igrek makes a deal with Pissarro, in exchange of winning they'll free Olympe (he literally says for Venus he'll offer them a blood bath).

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:39 am
by Dream
Damn. "Olympe" of course. I got stuck at the l/r sounds and was probably focusing to much on french words. lol.

Also "Igrek", is probably "i grec", witch is the french pronounciation of the letter "Y". probably like the chromosome.

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:34 pm
by Mad Hat
"Igrek" in russian lang is math symbol "Y" :). "X" - iks, "Y" - igrek or igrik.

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:18 pm
by Cailon
@Mad Hat: Hm, that would make sense, calling him "Y", like his chromosome (maybe he is even YY?).
The only problem remaining is, why are the venusians (french) have a russian (jovians) name for their creature?

Ok, you mustn't complain about chapters befor they're translated and before the story goes on but I too think: wtf?
First stressing out Tojis character, now giving space for Igrek and another entirely new character. Are these charas that much important? Like someone said before, why not concentrate on the existing charas, do the damn fight, put ZOTT to an end and move on? jeez.

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:48 pm
by Twitchywrote
Cailon wrote:@Mad Hat: Hm, that would make sense, calling him "Y", like his chromosome (maybe he is even YY?).
The only problem remaining is, why are the venusians (french) have a russian (jovians) name for their creature?

Ok, you mustn't complain about chapters befor they're translated and before the story goes on but I too think: wtf?
First stressing out Tojis character, now giving space for Igrek and another entirely new character. Are these charas that much important? Like someone said before, why not concentrate on the existing charas, do the damn fight, put ZOTT to an end and move on? jeez.
Okay, folks. You're really gonna hafta quit this belly-achin' routine, because Kishiro's been doing this since the beginning of the tournament. He spends a chapter fleshing out a character which may appear meaningless. He's probably going to KEEP doing it, too. I'd wager that he doesn't want his story to be the typical "they get stronger and stronger until the end!" that so many anime tournaments end up being.
My point is this: He's done this before. He's going to keep doing it. I honestly think he LIKES doing it. Probably considers it to be a part of his personal style. He obviously doesn't think he's running the risk of losing readers because of it. I still believe the payoff will be worth the wait. But folks, please...it can't surprise you that he's taking this route again. If it does surprise you, try and look back at the tournament participants whose backstory and vignettes lent to the overall substance of Kishiro's universe, and who lent to the story. I want Alita to go to Mars, too, but I'm not going to complain the whole trip.

Patience, friends. Let him work. :)

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:11 pm
by Dream
Cailon wrote:The only problem remaining is, why are the venusians (french) have a russian (jovians) name for their creature?
"Y" as "i grec" is french. Russians apparently took the french word, for some reason.

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:29 pm
by Kamui04
Here's the script, this one was pretty fast indeed. As Dream pointed out, "I grec" is Y in french, I'll use it instead. Used Igrec so it's sounds more like a name, easier on typesetting and less confusing.




page 1 raw219
Phase;79 Hidden Desire
Text: If the appearance, usefulness and heart were designed things... whose desire is this?
TL Note: The japanese kanji for desire, also means ambition, appetite or lust and as you can read through the chapter Homme du feu shows the various aspects of it.


page 2 raw220
panel1
text: République Vénus Representative side, Genome Kingdom's Platform.
panel2
text: The time for the semi-final draws near!


page 3 raw221
panel1
sfx: sweep
sfx: sweep sweep
panel2
text: Genome Kingdom Chief Gesigner Pissarro Crié de Vouivre
panel2
Pissarro: How do you do?
Pissarro: Homme du feu!!


page 4 raw222
text: Genome Kingdom capitaine - Homme du feu
TL note: Dunno which one sounds better tête/chef or which term in french should I use for something like the captain of a team.


page 5 raw223
panel1
Homme du feu: Monseiur Pissarro
Homme du feu: How much time do I have left to live?
panel2
Pissarro: The lifespan programmed in your genes can be rewritten.
Pissarro: Just win!
Pissarro: Get the ZOTT Championship and we'll extend your lifespan.
panel3
Pissarro: Also we've prepared a special reward.


page 7 raw225
panel1
Igrec: O... Olympe...!!
Igrec: Why...!?
panel2
Olympe: Igrec...
Olympe: You've turned admirable...


page 8 raw226
panel1
sfx x 3: Ha
panel2
sfx x 3: Ha
panel3
Pissarro: Uppsy
Pissarro: Homme du feu!!
Panel4
Olympe: Homme du feu... yes... You received that name as an honor by becoming the Venus representative.
Olympe: But, for me you are still Igrec...
Olympe: Finger nibbler Igrec...!


page 9 raw227
panel2
Igrec: O...
Igrec: Olympe...!!
panel3
Igrec: Finger nibbler Igrec...


page 10 raw228
<Igrec: That's right... Back when my claws and fangs were still weak and little...>


page 11 raw229
<I grec: I was called finger nibbler Igrec.>


page 12 raw230
panel1
<Igrec: At the Atelier we'd practice with elimination fights.>
<Igrec: That was all the world I knew.>
panel2
<Igrec: Once I tore up my enemy into pieces I'd return...>
panel3
<Igrec: and Olympe would embrace me in her arms.>



page 13 raw231
panel1
<Igrec: Olympe had a different smell than the Guignols and the other humans.>
<Igrec: A nice smell.>
panel2
<Igrec: Olympe taught me a lot of things the fight instructors wouldn't teach me.>
panel3
<Igrec: Camouflage.>
<Igrec: Mimesis.>
panel4
<Igrec: To see the truth behind the deceptions.>
footnote: Guignol: A biological tool designed for the sole purpose of fighting. Classified as Haute Couture. It's original meaning is puppet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guignol
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/haute_couture

page 14 raw232
panel1
<Igrec: Throwing away my preconceptions, I'd observe, use my head to outwit my enemies.>
<Igrec: No matter what it was.>
panel2
<Igrec: The purpose of my huge claws and fangs were to devour my enemies!!>


page 15 raw233
panel1
<Igrec: I had these claws & fangs so I'd be king of this world!!>
<Igrec: So I'd become "Homme du feu" atop all the guignols!!>
panel2
<Igrec: So Olympe would hug me after each fight.>


page 16 raw234
panel1
<Igrec: But... One day it started... >
panel2
<Igrec: No matter how much of my enemy's blood I'd drink or meat devour, I couldn't calm this hunger.>
panel4
<Igrec: It started tormenting me.>


page 17 raw235
panel1
<Igrec: I want to devour Olympe.>
panel2
<Igrec: Devour her.> x 7


page 20 raw238
panel1
<Igrec: What is this!?>
<Igrec: Can't break her with my bite.
panel2
<Igrec: The meat, blood, bones are totally different than a human or guignol>
<Igrec: Even though she looked so tender, so delicious...>
panel3
<Igrec: Olympe>
<Igrec: I can't devour her>


page 21 raw239
<Igrec: I can't devour her!!>


page 22 raw240
panel1
<Igrec: Was I tricked!?>
<Igrec: Was I betrayed!?>
<Igrec: Was I deceived!?>
panel2
<Igrec: Camouflage!?>
<Igrec: Mimesis!?>
panel3
<Igrec: Then, Olympe's nice smell and embrace...>
<Igrec: Was all a lie!?>


page 23 raw241
panel1
<Igrec: I... I've been deceived all along. >
<Igrec: My true desire wasn't becoming the king among guignols. >
panel2
<Igrec: That sensation wasn't... >
<Igrec: because I was getting hungry. >
panel3
<Igrec: My real desire was... >
<Igrec: My real desire was...!! >
Igrec: GUAHHH>


page 25 raw243
panel1
Olympe: I'm sorry I kept secret that I was an android.
Olympe: But, believe me Igrec.
Olympe: My feelings were not a lie.
panel2
<Igrec: I already... >
<Igrec: don't know where the lie ends and where the truth begins...>

<Igrec: Only...>
panel3
Pissarro: This girl is a fairly old Antique Doll, there were a lot troubles repairing her.
Pissarro: If you are victorious in the semi-final that will start soon, I'll give you ownership of her.
Pissarro: You can boil her, grill her, whatever you want.


page 26 raw244
panel1
Igrec: Monsieur Pissarro.
Igrec: You designed everything in me.
Igrec: My claws, my fangs, my heart, even my hidden desire.
panel2
Igrec: For your almightiness and the glorious république, I'll without fail, make of your enemies a blood bath.
Igrec: In exchange I want you to hear my wish.


page 27 raw245
panel1
Pissarro: All right, tell me.
panel2
<Igrec: Just one...>
<Igrec: Found one thing that I won't regret.>
text: A sorrowful desire.
panel3
Igrec: Please, give Olympe her liberty.

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:24 pm
by hepar
Dream wrote:"Y" as "i grec" is french. Russians apparently took the french word, for some reason.
It's actually "I greek" (Y Græca) from latin. The reason was simple, from 17-th to 20-th century there were French, then Deuch, then English and American science domination. So you can figure out, when the adaptation of this symbol was made.

Also, I think that name without a space breake is better. "Igrek" or "Igrec" instead of "I grec" — the last one is more confusing.

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:31 pm
by hepar
Cailon wrote:maybe he is even YY?
Scientifically proved that X-chromosome is indispensable. The only thing that Y-chr. codes is mustashes, even a dick is written on a X-chr.
So double Y won't make you more manly. It's also been proved that species has a different combinations to define gender.
As I remember... XX - cock XY - chick or smth liek that.

PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determination_system — foud it

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:36 pm
by HumanRage
Kamui04 wrote:Here's the script, this one was pretty fast indeed. As Dream pointed out, "I grec" is Y in french, I'll use it instead. Used Igrec so it's sounds more like a name, easier on typesetting and less confusing.
My Hero :oops:
Kamui04 wrote: page 4 raw222
text: Genome Kingdom tête/chef - Homme du feu
TL note: Dunno which one sounds better or is right in french for something like the captain of a team.
"Capitaine", is the word we generally use for the "head" of a sport team, like soccer, tennis, ...
Kamui04 wrote: page 12 raw230
panel1
<Igrec: At the Atalier we'd practice with elimination fights.>
I think it's "Atelier", means "Workshop", and since Venusian bio-built everything, it makes sense.
Kamui04 wrote: page 26 raw244
panel1
Igrec: Monsieur Pissarro.
Igrec: You designed everything in me.
Igrec: My claws, my fangs, my heart, even my hidden desire.
panel2
Igrec: For your almightiness and the glorious republiqué, I'll without fail, make of your enemies a blood bath.
Igrec: In exchange I want you to hear my wish.
"République"

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Homme du Feu seems to have a soul and a heart !

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:31 am
by Cailon
@ kamiu04: Thanks!!

@ Twitchywrote: Sir yes sir. I admit you're right with what you said, I wont complain anymore ;)

@ hepar: sorry, that was bitty knowledge of mine. I checked it, I meant that there is the possibility of XYY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome --- but you need the X, right. Also I had in mind, that XYY's had far more testosterone in their body but thats not true either. So I take back what I said.

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:04 pm
by hepar
Cailon wrote:@ hepar: sorry, that was bitty knowledge of mine. I checked it, I meant that there is the possibility of XYY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome --- but you need the X, right. Also I had in mind, that XYY's had far more testosterone in their body but thats not true either. So I take back what I said.
I didn't ment that you're wrong or smth. I just wanted to point out smth. interesting — Gunnm is a story to dicuss :lol: