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Sergio Nova wrote: That is not the point. My point now is to understand where the translator found that word thund, even because I am starting to realize he invented it, as I cannot find it anywhere.

Were there other localization changes for Brazilian Portuguese? I wonder what other changes were made in the other translations that were invented.

As for Sechs already being one armed, i don't think she/he is. In page 9 panel four the visible arm look very much the left one. Sechs position looks anatomically impossible, compared with her legs, even for a cyborg, otherwise. Her thumb looks drawn "before" the hand, not behind of it.

On the cover, in the single panel of Sechs riding her/his bike, u can see part of the knuckles of the left hand holding the helm, it seems to me.

Sorry, i missread the last post on the "one armed Sechs" speculation. I disagree. On the cover, the portion of the windscreen behind of witch Sechs' knukcles are visible shows and intact profile. The first (bullet?) damage is a few cms above of that, in proportions. What is visible is definately knuckles, that matchs the white color of the other hand's bendage and significally differ from the color of the windscreen.

MrFaber wrote:Sorry, i missread the last post on the "one armed Sechs" speculation. I disagree. On the cover, the portion of the windscreen behind of witch Sechs' knukcles are visible shows and intact profile. The first (bullet?) damage is a few cms above of that, in proportions. What is visible is definately knuckles, that matchs the white color of the other hand's bendage and significally differ from the color of the windscreen.

Okay, on a closer second look that looks more like knuckles and even taking the crazy possition on page 9 into account the thumb placement pretty much says left hand.

Sorry, about creating this false speculation then. I just thought there was something odd.

Nevermind then.

AR-99 wrote:

Sergio Nova wrote: That is not the point. My point now is to understand where the translator found that word thund, even because I am starting to realize he invented it, as I cannot find it anywhere.

Were there other localization changes for Brazilian Portuguese? I wonder what other changes were made in the other translations that were invented.

Gunnm Last Order has never been translated into Portuguese - at least, not officially. There was a fan sub that started a retranslation after Ripper's Anime's editions. The quality of such a retranslation is dubious. As an example, they say that Sechs is the German word for você (you). Anyway, they simply repeat thund.

Sergio Nova wrote:The quality of such a retranslation is dubious. As an example, they say that Sechs is the German word for você (you). Anyway, they simply repeat thund.

That's kind of priceless.

[quote]Sorry, about creating this false speculation then. I just thought there was something odd.[/quote]

Nothing to be sorry of Forums are for debating

The real problem is that now I cannot stop thinking about all the other missing "Alitas"
Will we be able to see what happened to the missing ones (3,5,7,8 and 9)?
I do not mind to see an entire flashback ark like the vampire one, but about what happened with all the Ar series. We would be able to see how Nova get Elf and Zwolf, and how sechs loses her arm.
That would be awesome

I am psyched about where this could go. We see AR-4 go down, we saw the one that Alita killed (AR-2?) and the one that Koyomi's dog got as well(AR-3?).(Side note to Ripper, the download for at least Gunnm vol 8 is down)

Anyways, I think we will learn the fates of 5,7,8,9 and 10; as well as Sechs losing her arm to Elf and Zwelf. I am actually more excited to see the bunnies as Karaoke stars at BarJack city, than anything else. I have a feeling that they will be very developed in the future of this flashback...I bet they were prostitute-ish androids...we'll see.

I would also speculate that since Sechs has already lost an eye, she has already dispensed with at least one of the other AR-series.

At first I was a bit iffy about this direction instead of Mars, but now I am pretty psyched for it.

*edit I kind of stopped reading a lot of the threads with all of the translation talk, just noticed the thread above mine. I think me and Drendari see things the same. I could tale 2x volumes of this.

Drendari wrote: I do not mind to see an entire flashback ark like the vampire one, but about what happened with all the Ar series. We would be able to see how Nova get Elf and Zwolf, and how sechs loses her arm.
That would be awesome

Indeed! It would be interesting.

Martin wrote:I am psyched about where this could go. We see AR-4 go down, we saw the one that Alita killed (AR-2?) and the one that Koyomi's dog got as well(AR-3?).

Fury (Koyomi's dog) killed Zehn (AR-10) (although I am not sure if the verb to kill applies here).

Martin wrote:I am psyched about where this could go. We see AR-4 go down, we saw the one that Alita killed (AR-2?) and the one that Koyomi's dog got as well(AR-3?).(Side note to Ripper, the download for at least Gunnm vol 8 is down)

Anyways, I think we will learn the fates of 5,7,8,9 and 10; as well as Sechs losing her arm to Elf and Zwelf. I am actually more excited to see the bunnies as Karaoke stars at BarJack city, than anything else. I have a feeling that they will be very developed in the future of this flashback...I bet they were prostitute-ish androids...we'll see.

You cannot imagine how long i had waited for a Sechs related flashback chapter and now we might get an entire arc. Though it seems currently more about Figure Four and Ido than the tuneds.

Talking about Elf and Zwoelf, it's kind of interesting to remember they used to be singers in Barjack City given that the information came from Sechs telling Gally this. Which raises the question if Sechs was actualy looking for Elf and Zwoelf when she came upon GR-4.

Though i doubt Elf and Zwölf will be developed much given how small their role has become, both as supporting characters and in appearance.

However i really think he should draw that fight between them, since we still don't know where (Barjack city, somewhere in the wasteland, maybe in the scrapyard) and when it happend (during the killing spree, at the end, shortly before they went to meet Gally) and who actualy won (was Sechs completely defeated, was it a tie, did Sechs free herself and only through Nova's intervention did they survive).

By the way, considering how Sechs had to kill GR-4. I wonder if GR-2 could still be around?

Still it's insanely nice to finaly seeing a bit more of them.

Martin wrote:I would also speculate that since Sechs has already lost an eye, she has already dispensed with at least one of the other AR-series.

I doubt that. We saw Sechs with the missing eye and ear before she made her vow to become her own person, which as far as we know was her drive to seek out and kill the other Tuneds.

[quote]I wonder if GR-2 could still be around?[/quote]

GR 2 is killed (destroyed?) by Gally herself in BAA8 by the intervention of Lou who destroy her control station and totally froze her. Very likely her brainchip has been severely damaged in the process.

Speculatively speaking:

GR1 - Non existent, since it should be Gally herself, often referred as "agent 1" if i don't recall it wrong.
GR2 - Killed by Gally in BAA8
GR3 - ?
GR4 - Killed by Sechs in phase 113
GR5 - ?
GR6 - Sechs
GR7 - ?
GR8 - ?
GR9 - ?
GR10 - Killed by Fury in BAA8
GR11 - Elf
GR12 - Zwolf

So far so good we already know the whereabouts of 7 on 12 tuned agents.

MrFaber wrote:GR1 - Non existent, since it should be Gally herself, often referred as "agent 1" if i don't recall it wrong.

Little correction. Gally was G1. The GR stands for Gally Replica. So GR 1 is not the same person a G1.

Sergio Nova wrote:

Martin wrote:I am psyched about where this could go. We see AR-4 go down, we saw the one that Alita killed (AR-2?) and the one that Koyomi's dog got as well(AR-3?).

Fury (Koyomi's dog) killed Zehn (AR-10) (although I am not sure if the verb to kill applies here).

Seeing the GRs have the exact same brain chips that were shown to be full-fledged people, I'd think so.

I doubt that. We saw Sechs with the missing eye and ear before she made her vow to become her own person, which as far as we know was her drive to seek out and kill the other Tuneds.

When did we see her make her vow?

Martin wrote:

I doubt that. We saw Sechs with the missing eye and ear before she made her vow to become her own person, which as far as we know was her drive to seek out and kill the other Tuneds.

When did we see her make her vow?

Chapter 93. After Zekka slammed his super punch into Sechs side, we see a short flashback. First Sechs as Tuned next to a crashed car, smoke and wreckage in the backround implying a fight. Then Sechs fighting her way through a desert, eye allready patched up. Then a scene of the endless Desert and Sechs clawing into the sand. And finaly Sechs screaming towards the sky clutching the sand.

The Narration for these three pages is essentialy Sechs explaining her motiviation, with the scene of the skyward scream being acompanied with Sechs calling her name, pretty much indicicating that it was that moment in the desert that Sechs choosed to become her own person, which is pretty much the reason she started to hunt the other tuneds.

[quote]Little correction. Gally was G1. The GR stands for Gally Replica. So GR 1 is not the same person a G1.[/quote]

Indeed. But i base my hypotesis upon GR2 being the one who face the real Gally for the "final test". Seems likely that GR2 was the first replica deployed, since the final test was probably the condition to deploy the whole serie. Now, there is no need to deploy the actual first model assembled to run such a test. They could have picked up just one of the 12 models built, but they could even not have built the replicas from 3 to 12 before the test result, that could have been a mess. What if somehow the rebel personality of Gally emerged on GR2 and the 'girls' sided togheter? Of course there must have been a disable routine ready to be used in GR2, but still a mess. Better not to risk 12 (or 11) messes. More of that, the replicas labelling seems to be there to suggest the order in which they have been assembled and deployed. Still, there could have been a prototypical GR1 which was never deployed on surface, but was a test model only.

In the end i just think that Kyshiro intended GR2 to be the first replica and Gally to be the "label 1". Simply because a battle between Gally and GR1 would have looked less cool then between her and GR2. It would have been No 1 vs the other No 1 instead of No 1 vs No 2. Somehow, it makes less sense.

MrFaber wrote:Indeed. But i base my hypotesis upon GR2 ... It would have been No 1 vs the other No 1 instead of No 1 vs No 2. Somehow, it makes less sense.

That's a nice explanation but there are a few cracks in your theory.
1. This http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/2954 ... wq_jpg.htm

Bigott says. 11 Remaining units. Inlcuding GR-1 with whom he does not mean Gally. He also states that there are 12 replicas in total. Meaning there is also no GR-13.

2. When Lou arrives at work a few days earlier all the new operators are very busy and allready talking to ARs giving them orders:
Quoting the american version: "AR-2 online." "AR-3 check in". "Controll to AR-6".

There is of course the artistic point of view. That GR-2 facing off against Gally might have been simply symbolic to further drive the point of a replica facing off against the original. So i give you right on the last part.

PS: Reading the book again i just realised the one that gives Lou the snobby look is GR-6s operator.

What has ever happened to ashod?
Are we once more without a translator?

Sergio Nova wrote:What has ever happened to ashod?
Are we once more without a translator?

Yes we are. Ashod agreed to translate the 2 last chapters, but no more. Hence the "Looking for a new EN-JP translator" message on the last credits page.

I hope we don't have to go to my "let's each take a turn translating a speech bubble" to put something together.

Is the translation out yet?

Yep, it's in an earlier post. Keep looking. Again. And again.