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moooV wrote:2 bernaut: Спасибо!

Squirrelsquid wrote:only thing I dislike is, how her eyes look. kinda not gallyish imo. not cat like enough I think

Vendigo wrote:the facial features are a bit too adult, the eyes could be a bit larger and shifted lower. *edit* not as much as to make her look manga-like. More like Christina Ricci or Katie Holmes or Summer Glau type proportions.

I've made them asian, not cat-like or manga-like. Also, I'm making a GLO version (v1-10) - she looks completely adult there. Moreover, I'm trying to make a something close to a real human facially - that was the whole point of the project!

So, what you're saying is that Christina Ricci or Summer Glau aren't real people?

moooV wrote:So, what you're saying is that Christina Ricci or Summer Glau aren't real people?

Are you serious? None of them looks even a bit similar to Alita. Moreover, both of them are as ugly as crocodiles!

moooV wrote:

moooV wrote:So, what you're saying is that Christina Ricci or Summer Glau aren't real people?

Are you serious? None of them looks even a bit similar to Alita. Moreover, both of them are as ugly as crocodiles!

Summer Glau...ugly?!!
If it weren't for the star allure I'd like to have her.
But that's just wishful thinking and i digress a bit.

Maybe an idea to make transparent (gif) template models of Alita's hair.
Then stick it on every photo till we get a true Alita

Admireing your work moooV.

Thought about modeling Gally my self but never got the time for it.

great work

Mikhail

Sorry for stealing for forum section, find a cool cosplay costume

Some how i like her better!

I prefer Mikhail's pics simply because Alita-Gally is supposed to have a really human face.
By the way, Mikhail, is the crossplayer Russian?

I realy dont know, found her on diffrent Sites on the Internet, but i can do some research. Maybe i find something somewhere about her. It might not even be one person, even if they look very similar. But at least the one in the first pic has a diffrent set of arms. Also on some pics she has a diffrent sweatshirt and facepainting, but that might just be a diffrent day or photosection.

Let the cyber-stalking begin...

http://allison-rose.deviantart.com/art/ ... 5537&qo=27
http://allison-rose.deviantart.com/art/ ... 5537&qo=28
http://allison-rose.deviantart.com/art/ ... 5537&qo=29

2 Михаил: Спасибо за поддержку!

2 Crazyancan: That's unbeleivably cheap!

2 everyone:
These photos are quite old - I've seen them more than a year ago. The costume is good, but the girl does not resemble Alita facially. At all.
And all cosplays of her I've seen don't resemble her either.

This one is quite good as a tuned version, but still does not look close facially (scroll the page down, scroll down, here it is).
http://rampant-vicious-cosplay.webs.com ... osplay.htm


The only one, which looks a lot similar (and which I've taken as one of the references) is this. Ironically, it's found on Ripper's site.
I've googled more photos of this one for several days, but it gave me nothing. If someone knows where to find more photos of this particular cosplay[er], it would be great.

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Ok, back to the progress.

First.

The hair was rendering for about three months (SIC!) and failed. Also, it has fucked up the per-strip sampling seeds, so the image was broken anyway.
However, I've came up with a new way to do it, I'm testing it now. The new hair are quick - I'm tuning them.


Second.

I've fucked up the materials on all body images I've shown. I've forgot to add metal speculars - the detailed surface of her body looked completely flat. Also, I've fucked up the colors and reflections - everything looked too blue-milky-washed_out. These images were terrible, forget about them.

I've completely redone the materials - once again. Let's hope it's the last time.

Now all the surface details are clearly visible. Here is the aborted render I've done several days ago - quite buggy and with the kneepads hidden, but still giving the overall look. Improved and bigger res version is still rendering - I'll show it, if it'll satisfy me.

moooV wrote: The only one, which looks a lot similar (and which I've taken as one of the references) is this. Ironically, it's found on Ripper's site.

Whatch out, man! Alita does not have an Asian-like face. Besides, she is German and her real name (Yoko von der Rasierklinge) is far from being Eastern.

All right! You can say that Zazie is also Martian and she DOES NOT look Aryan. You can also say that, once Alita is a cyborg, she can have any face. I agree, but initially I daresay she is Caucasian.

As I've said, it's one of the references - I have many of them. Many, many, LOADS of them.

Another ones (caucasian), I've randomly picked from my bookmarks filtered by word "deviantart":
This one This one looks similar only on this particular photo - others don't look even close to what we need (she looks like she's jewish) And this one also This one too


Not to mention all asian faces and images bookmarked from social networks. I mean that there are TONS of faces looking similar to Alita, each in it's own way.

The problem was to generalize them and come up with some vision of how she could look.


Now to the interesting part.

>>>Yoko von der Rasierklinge
I don't remember this!
In fact, I'm seeing this name for the first time. Where is it from? Is the phase number greater than 96?
If not, then I'm having a memory failure.

1. I vote for Valentina Kallias (tovarish, the images in the page are great, to say the least).
2. As to Yoko, I am in a hurry now, so I cannot look in the series where exactly she is identified, but take a look at these pages:
http://battleangel.wikia.com/wiki/Alita
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_Kunst
https://secure.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=9751922286

I think it was Vol 7 before the Fight with Major Tzykrow, he names her.

But, she may be a marsian and they might be some sort of space nazis but she's definetly not of german origin. Neither her facial and body features, nor her name are german. Yoko is definetly a Japanese name. Shes to small and fine-boned and has the typical flat asian face and black hair. I am german my self so i just need to look out of the window.

Of course we cant find a perfect mach for her face. No human has those manga stile features the big eyes, tiny nose, round mouth and broad face with a huge front. But i think the posted cosplays come close.

Regarding your awsome 3D work. I think it needs some dirt, its just to shiny like polished aluminum. Some dirt and flaws makes it more real. But maybe thats the next step.

Also you may be we can help you out with rendering. I think some people might have enough calculating power in their pc to help out. Of course that meant sharing your work. Being an Artist my self, i dont like it much either.

Btw. which programm are you using?

I think it was Vol 7 before the Fight with Major Tzykrow, he names her.

He said exactly this (and I remember it perfectly): "Kammer frau Razor Yoko".
That's why I was surprised to see "Yoko von der Rasierklinge".
I haven't seen explicitly that name in the manga, that's why I've asked. Where did the second variant come from? Show me the source!

typical flat asian face and black hair

Her face looks like asian, but it's not flat. Not all asians are flat. I should even say that non-flat dominate in quantity.

I think it needs some dirt, its just to shiny like polished aluminum. Some dirt and flaws makes it more real.

In the manga (at least, at LO) she is clean and perfect (only two pictures, where she wasn't - after the fight with Caerula, she was stained with blood).

It's not aluminium or any other metal - it's a physically impossible material. It's very complicated (the biggest material tree I've ever done) and computationally heavy, but I like how it looks. Since I use layers instead of ordinary materials, it breaks the energy preservation law thus causing warnings in renderer and slowing it down significantly.
I've came up with a way to do an impossible specularity (that's my small secret, how it's done), which looks quite unusual, but still like metal (the longest central stripe is like aluminium, yes). Also, this unusual specularity catches the eye, I like it. Also, it looks close to specularity on YK's images (like this).
And Alita's full material tree, which is giant and complex.
Also, I've made a cloth, which is tattered and dirty - for contrast, I like how it looks on such a clean surface. However, I won't show it completely (only sculpted), because I haven't tuned it's material satisfactory yet.

I think some people might have enough calculating power in their pc to help out

Thank you, but there is no need for that. I have an expensive strong dedicated machine for this stuff - I've just done the hair wrong way - now it's fast. Seriously, three months on Core i7 and a failure in the end is wrong. That's my fault.

Being an Artist my self

I'm not an artist. I've never been and I'll never be. And I don't want to be. It's a hobby, nothing more. My university education is an information security specialist, but I'm working as a web developer. That's possible only in Russia.

I am german my self

Так вы русский, или просто ник такой? о_0
Если да, то уехали работать, либо как научный сотрудник, или просто репатриант? Наверное, давно уже там, раз гражданство получили.

Btw. which programm are you using

http://www.rippersanime.com/Forum/viewt ... t=25#p9109


PS.
This topic is starting to go into crap like the previous one.

Sorry i didnt want this. May be its best to just let you do your work and admire it. I see you spend a lot of time in it and thought it through.

You haven't caused anything bad nor insulted me. I mean, nothing bad done. Go on.

I've just meant that I'm starting to post too much things, which I shouldn't. That's why the previous topic was closed with a null result. There was too much talk from my side there.

Simply because I've previously said that I won't show anything until it's polished and perfect. Also, I've said that I won't show any tech details because there are specialized forums for them. Also I've said that I wouldn't discuss her look, because it's already done and that step is over. However, I've broken all these rules already.

Moreover, things have changed already - the pictures are in rendering, so I won't change any major features. This means that all that talk can't influence the outcome - it's harmless, so forget about it. Nothing serious. Post/Ask whatever you want.


PS.
You haven't answered my question - are you ex-russian, or is it just a nickname?

I dont speak russian, thus i couldnt understand what you wrote.

That said i am obviously not russian and its just a nick name. Dont ask me where i got it. I dont remember. Probably read or heard it somewhere. I just like foreign countries in general. Especialy those that are major diffrent from the western culture. Russia, i like the dialect, their fairytales and andient history. But thats based on a purly idialised point of view from a few books and movies. That said i dont know much about actual russia.

From my Point og View your a 3d artist even if its just a hobby. I am still studing 3d animations and your way better.

Ok, back to the problem. I'll even quote myself.

moooV wrote:

I think it was Vol 7 before the Fight with Major Tzykrow, he names her.

He said exactly this (and I remember it perfectly): "Kammer frau Razor Yoko".
That's why I was surprised to see "Yoko von der Rasierklinge".
I haven't seen explicitly that name in the manga, that's why I've asked. Where did the second variant come from? Show me the source!

Where did you see this name, guys?

I skimmed the books and i cant find where exactly she is called "Rasierklinge". But i remember reading it. But i found something else.

In the english version she said:

"Yes... I am Yoko." "Panzerkunst Gezere Kammer Frau Razor Yoko"

In the german version she said:

"Ja... ich bin Yoko." "Yoko, die Klinge, eine Kammerfrau vom Rang eines Gesellen der Panzerkunst!!"

So they translate the word "Razor" with the word "Klinge". But "Klinge" actualy means "Blade" and "Razor" should be translated "Rasierer". So "Rasierklinge" actualy means "Razorblade".

Might explain how we got to "Rasierklinge". But i could swear i read it some where, just cant find it.

btw. does anyone have the page in question as the japanese version and how its writen there. Its Phase 38 page 10-12.

Frau Razor Yoko
This sounds like "I'm Yoko the barber" or, if you like: "I'm the shaved Yoko."

I think Rasierklinge was a term created in the scanlation only(?) because of said dilemma between "razor" and "Klinge". And since she is not just any blade (Klinge) and the term razor alone makes no sense here, tadah: razor-blade.

Imo its rather a straight razor in english: its ultra sharp yet bendable and thus not easy to break - like Alita aims to be. Also, it's certanly not Frau Gilette Yoko.

Well when she meet Caerula Sanguise the 2nd time in the tournament, and reveals to her that shes Yoko. Caerula describes the old Yoko as:

"That Girl had the sharpness of a razor, fragile and dangerous. It came from her purity.

In the german translation they translated "the sharpness of a razor" with "die schärfe eines Rasiermesser".

"Rasiermesser" being the razorknife used to razor your self before eletric razors where invented, aka straight razor or cut-throat razor

As far as I have understood, this is just one of the several mistranslations in Viz first edition.The fact is that Yoko's full name is in many webpages. Probably "Panzerkunst Gezere Kammer Frau Razor Yoko" is just one the mistakes.

I am about to receive Viz second edition of HFV (USPS declares it was shipped on August 14th, thus it is more than late). I will check it when receiving and send the page.

I ordered the second edition exactly because there are too many differences in context between Brazilian edition and Viz first edition. Considering that Viz decided to remake it, I have to believe that, indeed, their first edition is problematic - and the problems are not limited to renaming the characters. In Brazilian edition, there is a scene in motorball in which Alita is making calculations, and she makes them in German (according to psychology, no matter how many languages you speak, you think mathematics in your mother language only). This is completely different in Viz first edition .

I dont know. I am german, but i work so much with english, sometimes i dream, calculate and think in english. But thats besides the Point.

I gues your right about one thing there are so many diffrent translations of the Mangas, from editors, publishers and scanlations that there are bound to be diffrences. Doesnt make it easier that GUNNM is originaly writen in japanese, but flavoured with german and english expresions. And the translating people might not even speak all three languages perfectly, as seen with:

"Panzerkunst Gezere Kammer Frau Razor Yoko"

which should be spelled:

"Panzerkust Geselle Kammerfrau Razor Yoko"

Cause the word "Gezere" doesnt exist. Its just a spelling error.