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Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:32 pm
by TankTreads
It is naïveté (and an unacceptable mistake) to take an example as a rule.
I wasn't saying that it was the rule. I was merely suggesting that the original creator is not always a 100% reliable source on this issue.
A couple more examples:
http://www.engrish.com/2002/10/status-clitical/
http://www.engrish.com/2002/10/samurai-showdown/
This reminds me of how Karen from Code Geass had her name romanized as "Kallen", and since the creators of the show insisted that the name was spelled and pronounced with two Ls and proceeded to use that spelling in all the printed materials and even in the dub, everybody merely assumed that was the correct spelling and the name stuck.
I'm not saying they were wrong; it's their show, they can do whatever they want with it. I'm just saying that things like L > R transliterations should be open to individual interpretation and viewer scrutiny.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:37 pm
by Sergio Nova
I agree that spelling Kallen is ridiculous, but maybe the author is eccentric (not to say stupid).
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:34 am
by kamugin
"Er" or "el"... arfter so many days outside this forum I come back to see such interesting discussion taking place =P
Gally is her original name, but since I was presented to this manga by the US version, I can't call her by other name besides Alita. "Gally", either with "er" or "el", sounds ludicrous to me. If the name "Alita" really is a reference to the SF Russian movie Aelita, Queen of Mars, that was a good idea because it give us a subtle clue about her origin.
Mooov, spending a little time in the army wouldn't hurt you. Au contraire, it would be very good to you! The Red Army has such glorious history =)
By my side: a short term in the army and 12 years in the air force already (only paperwork all this time). I can't call myself a "militar", I'm a parody of that (like the whole Brazilian armed forces) =)
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:34 pm
by Sergio Nova
kamugin wrote:"Gally", either with "er" or "el", sounds ludicrous to me.
Nothing is more ludicrous than such a stupid remark.
kamugin wrote:If the name "Alita" really is a reference to the SF Russian movie Aelita, Queen of Mars, that was a good idea because it give us a subtle clue about her origin.
You succeeded in being ludicrous twice in the same paragraph.
kamugin wrote:
By my side: a short term in the army and 12 years in the air force already (only paperwork all this time).
Twelve years in the Brazilain Air Force? Now it's explained. No psychiatrist would be able to fix you.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:09 pm
by kamugin
Was your brain replaced by some invertebrate's brain?

Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:08 pm
by moooV
kamugin wrote:Queen of Mars, that was a good idea because it give us a subtle clue about her origin
Oh, Captain Obviousity, you're back! You're helpful, as usual!
kamugin wrote:I'm a parody
Of course you are!
PS.
Happy New Year, everyone!

Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:28 pm
by kamugin
One brings the bread and the other put the butter on it... Luv ya too, guys!
That old piece of communist propaganda may be reprised every month in your country, but in the free world not that many people was told about it. I've only discovered that movie a little time ago and obviously I wasn't willing to look every previous topic to see if it was mentioned before, you damned army deserter!

Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:37 pm
by moooV
kamugin wrote:That old piece of communist propaganda may be reprised every month in your country, but in the free world not that many people was told about it.
You're so naive.
You won't beleive it, but, in fact, nobody has heard about it here. At all.
Even I've heard about it for the first time from this forum exactly.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:46 pm
by Sergio Nova
kamugin wrote:but in the free world not that many people was told about it. I've only discovered that movie a little time ago and obviously I wasn't willing to look every previous topic to see if it was mentioned before, you damned army deserter!

Let me see if I understood: should we interpret by "free world" places where there is no sort of communism?
That said, we will have to include Chile under Pinochet, Haiti under Baby Doc, Brazil (for God's sake) under Costa e Silva, South Africa under the apartheid, Argentina under Galtieri…
The list is endless. We have fought in many points, but I would never expect you to say such a stupidity, believe me! God protect us from such sort of freedom!
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:54 pm
by kamugin
moooV wrote:
Even I've heard about it for the first time from this forum exactly.
So you wrote I was stating the obvious just to piss me? I mentioned that movie here once before, even providing the Wikipedia link. Nobody commented anything at that time.
I hope you have watched Sergei Eisenstein's movies at least, or else you miserably fail being a communist!

Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:07 pm
by kamugin
Sergio Nova wrote:
Let me see if I understood: should we interpret by "free world" places where there is no sort of communism?
That said, we will have to include Chile under Pinochet, Haiti under Baby Doc, Brazil (for God's sake) under Costa e Silva, South Africa under the apartheid, Argentina under Galtieri…
They all may have been sons of a bitch, but they where OURS sons of a bitch!
God protect us from such sort of freedom!
God is an illusion!
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 7:46 pm
by Sergio Nova
kamugin wrote:
God is an illusion!
If God exists or not is pointless. The expression is the point.
You must have heard the Brazilian saying: "
se os boatos desmentem os fatos, danem-se os fatos (if the hearsays do not confirm the facts, fuck off the facts)".
Anyway, coming from someone who even believes the apocalypse is near…
By the way, although I am not affiliated to any religion, I am not an atheist. But that is a philosophical point.
kamugin wrote:
They all may have been sons of a bitch, but they where OURS sons of a bitch!
Are you their mother?

Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:12 pm
by kamugin
Sergio Nova wrote:
By the way, although I am not affiliated to any religion, I am not an atheist.
The confortable and coward agnostic stand I see.
Are you their mother?

Ask that to the US president who said that phrase. The US have been a mother to many dictatorships as we know.
Anyway, coming from someone who even believes the apocalypse is near…
I hope the Ragnarok is really near, I'm aready tired of this stupid humanity!
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:30 pm
by Sergio Nova
kamugin wrote:
The confortable and coward agnostic stand I see.
Au contraire, friend. I am brave enough to admit I do not have all the answers.
kamugin wrote:
I hope the Ragnarok is really near, I'm aready tired of this stupid humanity!
You, on the other hand, are scandalously contradictory.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:59 pm
by kamugin
Sergio Nova wrote:
Au contraire, friend. I am brave enough to admit I do not have all the answers.
Unfortunately I don't have all of them either, but I'm pretty sure about this one
You, on the other hand, are scandalously contradictory.
Eu prefiro ser essa metamorfose ambulante
For those who care about such things:
Happy new year!
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:53 am
by moooV
kamugin wrote:I hope the Ragnarok is really near, I'm aready tired of this stupid humanity!
And the humanity is already tired of this stupid kamugin.
kamugin wrote:I hope the Ragnarok is really near
How retarded should one be to seriously beleive in such kind of crap?
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:16 pm
by kamugin
First thing to do in the new year is write a hate message... what a sad person.
It's highly probable that the human race meet his end by it's own hands (global warming, war and such) but I don't believe that there will be something catastrophic in 2012, that was a joke.
I do not believe in god or gods. In fact religion is the greatest expression of human ignorance. This is not a joke.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:08 pm
by Sergio Nova
kamugin wrote:In fact religion is the greatest expression of human ignorance. This is not a joke.
That is too complex to discuss. I could quote nearer examples of human ignorance, certainly. (no, this is NOT an irony!

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Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:51 pm
by Lemonlol
kamugin wrote:arfter so many days outside this forum I come back
(...)
Mooov, spending a little time in the army wouldn't hurt you.
You come back after a while, just to revive animosities that faded during your leave ? If you don't like Mooov or Sergio, then fine, just don't talk to them, nor about them ! You're causing a ruckus, willingly, on every thread you can find, recentering all discutions on yourself or your selfish opinion.
I wish I was an admin or a moderator, in order to ban you, for continuously trolling people on this forum. You're violating rules #1 and #2 of the local "Houserules v0.01".
This said, I, myself, will follow my own advice, and won't ever reply to any of your message, because I just don't like you (aka. "not feeding the troll").
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:33 pm
by Burning Angel
Ask that to the US president who said that phrase. The US have been a mother to many dictatorships as we know.
Allegedly, President Franklin D. Roosevelt remarked in 1939 that "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch" refering to Anastasio Somoza García, dictator of Nicaragua for 20 years, from 1936 to 1956 (although I think that the Latin American members of this forum already know this).
As for the US being mother of many dictators, well it's true, especially during the Cold War. But in that time, all the world powers (Soviet Union, US, China and Europe) played that game, aiding dictatorships and insurgencies in former colonial regions and developing nations like if the world was some type of giant chess board.
But I do consider the US to be the least malevolent of the world powers. Now, in the next pseudo-Cold War (at least in the context of a military, foreign influence, and economic rivalry, but without the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction through nuclear weapons) between the US and China, I know who I want to win.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:30 pm
by Sergio Nova
1. Yes, the American "democracy" always liked to defend and protect "free world". No, I am not laughing. This is simply disgusting.
2. You are right when you say that Chineses and Soviets were alike. Actually (and this is not exculpatory), nothing has changed, even after the so-called end (which end?) of the Cold War. The USA still boycott Cuba shamelessly (Are they communist? Really? So the USA are going to boycott the Chinese savage system? Does anyone really believe that?), China keeps protecting an obscene and hereditary oligarchy in North Korea, and Russia still impose its influence in Eastern Europe, even after the fall of Socialism.
3. The hypocrisy of superpowers is that simple: they do not want the proliferation of nuclear weapons. If they monopolize such "instruments of peace", it is enough. The world can rely on them.
4. No, I am not naïve. Brazil would be the same, or even worse, if it had the power. I know Brazilian politicians very well, especially the hypocrites who run Brasília nowadays.
5. Oh, yes, both systems, capitalism and communism, have advantages and disadvantages, but if I had to choose between the USA and China, I would certainly opt for the USA. At least we know what they are. The Chinese system is simply an oligarchy in a savage capitalist system, lying they are communist, but their only ideology is perpetuate in power while labor forces are exploited to the hilt. They simply join the worst of both systems.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:29 am
by kamugin
Burning Angel wrote:
But I do consider the US to be the least malevolent of the world powers.
No, the US are really the worst, and I'll explain why. They emerged of WWII as one of the winners, but they hadn't to fight inside their country like England, USSR or France, so they actually never felt the tragedy of war, they never felt the real horrible face of war: cities destroyed, dead people everywere, hunger, sickness and the despair of the victms. So they are extremely arrogant. Thanks to their wealth and military power, they interfere on internal affairs of almost every country in the world, they don't hesitate to bring the war to any country and they protect the worst dictatorships if this may be profitable to them.
Don't talk about Pearl Harbor, or Vietnam, those weren't inside the continental territory of the US and these are nothing compared to the millions who died in USSR, Germany and Japan. Don't talk about their civil war, it was far in the past for them to remember and can't be compared to the destruction of the modern warfare. Also don't talk about hypothetical things like A or B country would do the same if it had the power. It's the US that effectively has this power, the power to seed misery all over the world. After the WWII the US were involved with every major conflict in the world, so think about this.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:08 am
by kamugin
Lemonlol wrote:If you don't like Mooov or Sergio, then fine, just don't talk to them
But we are a trio!
Sergio is the Good, Mooov is the Bad and I'm the Ugly!

Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:17 pm
by Burning Angel
Jajaja... I am so glad you answered, troll. I am going to have fun, today. It's been a while since I've had a discussion about contemperary history o geo-politics. And thank you, Sergio Nova. I see we both agree that the US is just a hypocritical and stupid superpower, but probably the least malevolent one, too.
No, the US are really the worst, and I'll explain why. They emerged of WWII as one of the winners, but they hadn't to fight inside their country like England, USSR or France, so they actually never felt the tragedy of war, they never felt the real horrible face of war: cities destroyed, dead people everywere, hunger, sickness and the despair of the victms. So they are extremely arrogant.
WWII was just another example of the decadance of Europe. ¿So you are critizing the US for one of the few things that they did right? So are you implying that the US shouldn't have participated in WWII (by the way, thanks to the Imperial Japanese Navy)?
Thanks to their wealth and military power, they interfere on internal affairs of almost every country in the world, they don't hesitate to bring the war to any country and they protect the worst dictatorships if this may be profitable to them.
Yeah, like every global power. As I mentioned earlier, these world powers used dictators and terrorists as chess pieces. And it's arguable that the US backed dictatorships were worse than the Communist backed dictatorships (for example, Pol Pot, Kim Il-sung, Nicolae Ceauşescu, or Mengistu Haile Mariam). Hell even, Stalin or Mao killed dozens of millions of people.
Don't talk about Pearl Harbor, or Vietnam, those weren't inside the continental territory of the US and these are nothing compared to the millions who died in USSR, Germany and Japan. Don't talk about their civil war, it was far in the past for them to remember and can't be compared to the destruction of the modern warfare. Also don't talk about hypothetical things like A or B country would do the same if it had the power. It's the US that effectively has this power, the power to seed misery all over the world. After the WWII the US were involved with every major conflict in the world, so think about this.
Well, when Europe was the great colonial power, they seeded misery all over the world. And during the Cold War, the Soviet Union did have a military power that rivaled the US. And they also seeded misery all over the world. And the USSR was also involved in just about every conflict in the world. Again, you are becoming redundant. This was in the context of the Cold War and the Decolonization Movements of the Post-WWII era, where every major power tried to influence (through military or economic pressure) developing nations.
And yet I prefer a world with the US as the great superpower, instead of the Soviet Union or China. At least, since the Cold War, the US has pushed for a more democratic and liberal world (arguably). It would have been interesting (and horrible) to see what would have happened to the world if the Soviets or the Chinese would have won the Cold War.
Re: GARY! It is Gary...
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:05 pm
by Sam
Nice chitchats for nothing, again!
Anyway, better calling her Gally than Gary, I prefer seeing her as a real XX compared to the fake one she could be when named Gary, as those that you can mainly find in Brazil! (Was that a troll??!... neh!!)