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Gatekpr wrote:I won't discount it, but I doubt that Colonel Payne had a role in Alita's past. It's possible that she simply associates people like him to terrible memories as a war child.

I've said him, or someone like him, a person in the same line of business. Besides who knows how many years Payne had?

Sergio Nova wrote:Is that clear now or will I have to draw?

The only thing you can draw in this situation is this:

kamugin wrote:However I was commenting the subject with my wife, also a manga and anime fan, and I told her about Alita background, since she didn't read GLO. My wife is more intelligent than me, I'm afraid to say

OMG!




And about the topic itself. Nobody of you gyus seem to understand the idea behind Colonel Payne.

I've nearly written a giant message, explaining everything in-depth, but I'll finish it and post it tomorrow - it's a late night already, so I'll go to sleep.
It will be something you haven't seen yet.

The reinforcement arrived at last

moooV wrote: And about the topic itself. Nobody of you gyus seem to understand the idea behind Colonel Payne.

I can divine what you'll reveal:
_ALITA! I AM YOUR FATHER! Colonel Payne says.

Go to sleep moooV. You work fourteen hours a day in that frozen winter and your body is frail, you'll end up dying someday...

I've said him, or someone like him, a person in the same line of business. Besides who knows how many years Payne had?

That Alita could have encountered someone like Colonel Payne is not impossible, but that she could have met him in person just cannot be. Can you remind me when the Mathuzalize was leaked by Ping wu? Just a hundred years before, so before that date, Mathuzalyse was not widespread.
Anyone older than that in Glo's world is an anomaly that has to be explained.
Caerula is a vampire, and as for the kunstlers this has still to be explained.
A detail that Kishiro himself, reminded the reader at the beginning of GLO saying that Alit'a brain is peculiar.
What I think is that as part of the Kammer gruppe Yoko Erica and co (tzykrow and some we may not know yet) may have been used as guinea pigs by the Jovians to test their version of Mathuzalise. Or Kishiro kept the zubringer thing and the exposure to intense heat surprisingly just had the same effect as the venusian nanotechs. (intense heat being caused by Alita entering the atmosphere or the destruction of grunthal but the heat thing is just my personnal theory)

So about Colonel Payne as being Alita's dark inner voice others will find better explanations than I, I just find he 's too recent a character to be given such an important role. He lacks character building, and interaction with the Heroin.
However this may be for the better, as Alita's psyche is not limited by anything but the little interaction she's had with him so in that regard he may just be perfect. Moreover he's one of the few really onesided evil characters, he's basically just a blank page with EVIL and DOUBT written on it (as what he said to Alita caused her to doubt) so you can pretty much write on it anything along these lines and that will be fine.

You guys don't let me take a break! I will end up dying someday!

litchi master wrote: That Alita could have encountered someone like Colonel Payne is not impossible, but that she could have met him in person just cannot be. Can you remind me when the Mathuzalize was leaked by Ping wu? Just a hundred years before, so before that date, Mathuzalyse was not widespread.

Yes, Ping wu leaked it a hundred years ago in GLO world. But some high-ups had acess to it before that, also persons with money and in key positions like Payne perhaps. The kunstlers may have merely stolen it for themselves.

A detail that Kishiro himself, reminded the reader at the beginning of GLO saying that Alit'a brain is peculiar.

Alita's brain (and the others kunstlers brains presumably) is special because it's glia is filled not by water, but by some gel heat and shock resistent, as it was said by Nova in GLO vol. 1, if I remember well.

What I think is that as part of the Kammer gruppe Yoko Erica and co (tzykrow and some we may not know yet) may have been used as guinea pigs by the Jovians to test their version of Mathuzalise.

Discarded by my intial theory that is less complex. The kunstlers may have merely stolen it for themselves.

Or Kishiro kept the zubringer thing and the exposure to intense heat surprisingly just had the same effect as the venusian nanotechs. (intense heat being caused by Alita entering the atmosphere or the destruction of grunthal but the heat thing is just my personnal theory)

Also discarded by my intial theory. But I have to remember you that the zubringer material is mentioned only in HFV vol. 9, discarded by Yukito. When Yoko (Alita) is sentenced to death by being thrown into the atmosphere from space, and without any protection obviously, she was able to survive because her well built cyborg body and her gel reinforced brain. I know this is a lame supposition, but Yukito drove us to it himself.

So about Colonel Payne as being Alita's dark inner voice others will find better explanations than I, I just find he 's too recent a character to be given such an important role. He lacks character building, and interaction with the Heroin.

That is what I was saying before my wife proposed a better theory.

However this may be for the better, as Alita's psyche is not limited by anything but the little interaction she's had with him so in that regard he may just be perfect. Moreover he's one of the few really onesided evil characters, he's basically just a blank page with EVIL and DOUBT written on it (as what he said to Alita caused her to doubt) so you can pretty much write on it anything along these lines and that will be fine.

I'll refrain myself from writing anything along your lines because this is your theory. We need to think a little before accepting or rejecting it.

As my final comment, please don't think I'm being aggressive against you. This isn't my intention nor attempt. I'm tired of people here that become easily offended and start throwing stones at me.

Well, despite not sharing kamugin's sense of "humor", I kinda agree with him about Colonel Payne.
The following is 100% personal, so please don't throw me stones.

One of the strongest point of the original series, Gally herself put apart, are the villains. Makaku, Zapan, Den, Nova, for each one we can feel admiration or compassion, all of them have a reason to be that way. They are all complex characters with a solid and interesting background, but presented in a SIMPLE way, a "human" way. I remember I almost cried with Zapan's last flash back.

GLO lacks all of this. Of course it might just be my personal taste, but I don't feel anything for GLO villains. To be honest, I don't find GLO characters interesting in general. M'Badi, Caelula, Toji, Zekka... None of them can hold the comparison with Ido, Den and so on. Even Nova lost almost all his "evilness" to become more a comic relief than a creepy bad guy. Even Gally, my favorite character of all time, sounds sometimes boring ! The only thing that pushes me to read GLO is Sechs. Okay, there was Jim Roscoe who looked promising, but he died too fast.

Personally, I like to have a strong first feeling on a character (like disgust for Makaku), and THEN discover about his/her past or deep thought, allowing me to change my feelings or not (disgust became compassion). But in GLO, Kishiro don't let us enough time to feel something for them before developing their background. There is sometimes too much monologues, flash backs and such too get the point in a smooth way. Some character developments sound even artificial to me, like for M'Badi. Gosh, M'Badi is a key character in GLO, with a shit load of flash backs and other character developments, and I still feel NOTHING for him. I see him like a big monument or something : you can't miss him in the landscape, he has a complex architecture, but he so... "cold" that you get use to it, and then you don't give a shit about him anymore. To summarize, GLO characters lost the "simplicity" that made Gunnm's character so awesome.

With Payne, well... I mean WHO IS THIS GUY ? We barely know anything about him, he just dies short after appearing on stage. I understand that he is supposed to be Gally dark side, nightmare or something, and to be honest the idea itself looked promising and the dialogs he has with Gally are interesting themselves, but couldn't Kishiro have chosen a more "familiar" figure ? Somebody we can identify to ? But this Payne, it's much more like "look, he is a child killer, he is dressed like a nazi => he is EVIL". That's about all I have to say, I'm afraid.

kamugin wrote:I can divine what you'll reveal:
_ALITA! I AM YOUR FATHER! Colonel Payne says.

You don't see anything farther than your nose.

kamugin wrote:You work fourteen hours a day in that frozen winter and your body is frail, you'll end up dying someday...

It's the middle of spring, nearly everything has melted away already. By the way, it's +5 degrees Celsius outside today and sunny, so I gave up working today - I just can't miss such weather.

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Now let's get serious.



How could Ido register?
Easily. All microchips (nowadays) are marked with an unique identification string (especially CPUs) - I doubt that the brain chips weren't marked.

litchi master wrote:I don't see why Ido registering as a hunter warrior is bothering so many people.
the factories have other ways to identify humans, so Kishiro must have left it at that.
Now if you really are not satisfied with that, remember that the factories are under the direct supervision of Zalem/tiphares (i'll never get used to it)so if a citizen of zalem ever presents himself to be a hunter warrior (which must be quite rare as many are returned to the genetic pool and others truly are not fit for the job) a special procedure must start to hide the truth about zalem, how complicated can it be for the brainchip send a signal to have the actual image replaced by that of a brain, or for Zalem to send an image to the factory system so that the image is replaced by something melchizedek sees fit. I smell a conspiracy here.

Exactly. I have nothing to add here.


Orbital rings and another elevator.

kamugin wrote:Even so here are the questions: are there an orbital ring and another Tiphares and Ketheres on the other side of the globe in GLO? Did Yukito forget about them? I know that an orbital elevator doesn't need an orbital ring to work, but if there is such ring, it needs to be counterbalanced by an equal mass diametrically opposed in the structure.

It needs it to stay in balance. Moreover, the ring spins around the globe - if the wikipedia isn't enough to convince you, take a look at the original theory and math, which YK has read and used: one, two, three.

Because of them spinning, the elevators can be built in any place on the globe - not only on the poles or equator due to the hyroscopic effect.



The Colonel Payne.

kamugin wrote:To me really is a bother when Yukito brings back such weakly composed character.

The point is not in the character. The point is in the IDEA, which you fail to understand. I'll explain it a bit later in this post.

Sergio Nova wrote:I believe you didn't understand the character. Colonel Payne is the incarnation of evil. He is a child-exterminator who uses the infants as targets in the battle field. That is NOT far from reality in Asia and Africa. He is not characterized as a sort of Nazi authority as a coincidence. Kishiro created an obscene character whose simple presence is able to corrupt the innocence of a fairy.
...omitted...
Last but not the least, his ghost personifies the Jungian shadow, as it is explicitly mentioned (see GLO08, page 14).

Much better, but you don't understand the character either. At least, you understand him partially - on contrary to kamugin.

>>> Colonel Payne is the incarnation of evil
You're partially right. Take a look:

Compared to Nova, he isn't a villain at all - there are lots of guys like him in the GLO universe (and it's stated explicitly in the same phase). But the context has switched - in HFV the bad guy was Nova, but where is he now? In the first volume of LO he isn't such a bad guy, moreover, he's the one to be saved from Trinidad!

In the volume 4 Payne takes his place locally. Let's call it the local incarnation of evil.

>>>He is not characterized as a sort of Nazi authority as a coincidence.
I've never seen a parallel between him and Nazis, but now I see.

>>>Kishiro created an obscene character whose simple presence is able to corrupt the innocence of a fairy.
He isn't obscene at all. He's a bad guy, but not obscene.
What about the innocence - it has nothing to do with him also. Yes, he used innocent children for war games, but he has nothing to do with Alita's innocence as a character.


That was just an introduction: don't bother to reply, if you disagree - just read further, the pieces will fit together perfectly.

I always wanted to tell you guys something I've known since the first time I've read GLO - I thought it would be obvious for everyone, so I didn't bring this up. But since you've brought it up and I see that all of you haven't understood much - I'll elaborate it.


Remember the beginning of this post - I'm talking not about the character himself, but about the idea behind his introduction by Kishiro.

I'll try to summarize everything I've just written above.

Again:

kamugin wrote:To me really is a bother when Yukito brings back such weakly composed character.

I claim - it could be ANY generic bad character with ANY background story. It doesn't make a difference at all. He's just there - it's all that matters. That's why he has been introduced just in several phrases, and then killed. The only thing that matters is him as a symbol and a child as a trigger.


The idea has several layers and is in fact a geniously planned longshot by Kishiro (he had to think over many volumes in advance - like with the P-box thing, which is a bigger longshot).

As a guy, who have read TONS of psychological stuff (including Jung, Freud, Lakan, Kaschenko, and lots of other interesting personages' books) I will break it up for you - just look at the magic and follow the hands:

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Zazie tells Alita about a master, an ideal, which never wavers in face of death, on which she replies "My master is... myself". (I haven't opened the manga for exactly one year, so I'll just point my finger into the sky and try to guess - it's page 25).

That statement claims that she's confident and self-aware, but that's just her beleif, which is formed by her independent personality type.
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She comes to a battlefield and sees a child torn apart - it's a trigger, which unleashes her childhood fears. The only association she could have is about herself being torn apart on Mars - just like that child. That's why we've had a flashback in the very beginning of the first volume - it's got hooked up with the story only three volumes later.

Now she doesn't need to know anything about the villain - she is in an affective state, of course she bursts into rage and simply demolishes him without any prior explanation, which, in fact, isn't needed at all.

Because of that, he leaves an imprint on her psychics - just like the murderers/war veterans, who have committed a murder in an affective state, get haunted by their victims till the end of their lives. See Vietnam/Afghanistan/Iraq syndrome.

And, voila! Captain Jung to the rescue! It's the direct application of his concept of shadow, which YK has even meant explicitly.


That was only the first layer - follow along.

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After that, the shadow of a victim starts haunting her as an impersonification of all her subconscious fears. In fact, it's close to a schizophrenic state.

Now notice - in her first hallucinations/dreams with the Colonel she's a child, on which the bombs are falling. She just can't get over the scene she witnessed and projects herself into his place, substituting him - as a protective measure.

The Colonel starts telling her about her slavery to her own subconsciousness: she wants to be a human, while she technically isn't (she has a chip for the brain, but we don't know it yet). That's a conflict, which tears her apart.

The same thing continues in the later volumes, when she hallucinates about falling into Tiphares and about the cube of brains - these are her doubts, represented in Colonel's monologues. In fact, it's a slow breakdown and even sort of a personality split.

She has gained a master she didn't have - her subconsciousness, which is represented by another person.

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Later, in the beginning of Vol.8, we see her in the library, where a Colonel tells her about a point of no return. In fact, he just doesn't want to be eliminated, that's all.

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When she discovers that her brain is a chip, we see a Colonel standing and laughing - another major shock, which simply unleashes her subconsciousness to dominate the mind.

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After her resurrection from Tunguska, there will be no more Colonel - she's a whole now, there is nothing in her head she can't control. And she runs on her subconsciousness from now on - that's why she can rebuild herself and kick Mbadi.

The end. Applause.


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However, this brings up even more questions. How can a robot (which she technically is) have mental issues?

Wow, impressive moooV !

moooV wrote:However, this brings up even more questions. How can a robot (which she technically is) have mental issues?

Isn't the human brain a complex biologic computer ?

Payne isn't even a character to begin with. It's a mere representation of Alita's guilt and doubt. More than a philosophical figure, his role is mostly to avoids wall of texts of corny emo guilt drama. Let's face it, it's more entertaining to read a Nazi looking ghosts harassing a crying heroine than reading a 3 page novel about self confidence and insecurity.
Let's not forget it's a manga. The show comes first. The message comes second.

Great, moooV! Very interesting text. In general terms, it is perfect. The only remark is that I was referring to no sexual interpretation when I used the adjective obscene. That a look in Collins Dictionary definition:

quote
obscene, adjective
1. offensive or outrageous to accepted standards of decency or modesty
2. (Law) (of publications) having a tendency to deprave or corrupt
3. disgusting; repellent
an obscene massacre
unquote

I believe you are aware of many régimes that fit the definitions above, especially item 3. By the way, the usage of decency, modesty, deprave and corrupt above are not limited to sexual corruption, but to all forms of depravity (slavery, for example, is included).

moooV wrote: After her resurrection from Tunguska, there will be no more Colonel - she's a whole now, there is nothing in her head she can't control. And she runs on her subconsciousness from now on - that's why she can rebuild herself and kick Mbadi.

Genial! I hadn't noticed that, but I agree entirely!

Sergio Nova wrote:

moooV wrote: After her resurrection from Tunguska, there will be no more Colonel - she's a whole now, there is nothing in her head she can't control. And she runs on her subconsciousness from now on - that's why she can rebuild herself and kick Mbadi.

Genial! I hadn't noticed that, but I agree entirely!

Hmmm...

DDTL wrote:

Sergio Nova wrote:

moooV wrote: After her resurrection from Tunguska, there will be no more Colonel - she's a whole now, there is nothing in her head she can't control. And she runs on her subconsciousness from now on - that's why she can rebuild herself and kick Mbadi.

Genial! I hadn't noticed that, but I agree entirely!

Hmmm...

Spoiler:

Payne re-appears in the phase 102, after Gally is re-rebuilt with her wings... Guess you are wrong on this very last point

I have read only up to phase 96.

Again, I tell you - the year has passed since I've last opened the manga. I'll re-read it next month, maybe.

DDTL wrote: Hmmm...

Spoiler:

Payne re-appears in the phase 102, after Gally is re-rebuilt with her wings... Guess you are wrong on this very last point

You're right, but that doesn't mean moooV is wrong. Payne had really disappeared for a long time. As to his return, let's see if he is still haunting Alita or if she has surpassed that.

moooV wrote:I have read only up to phase 96.

Again, I tell you - the year has passed since I've last opened the manga. I'll re-read it next month, maybe.

That's why I put this information under a spoiler alert, since I wasn't sure if you were taking a look at the new phases or not

litchi master wrote: That Alita could have encountered someone like Colonel Payne is not impossible, but that she could have met him in person just cannot be. Can you remind me when the Mathuzalize was leaked by Ping wu? Just a hundred years before, so before that date, Mathuzalyse was not widespread.
Anyone older than that in Glo's world is an anomaly that has to be explained.
Caerula is a vampire, and as for the kunstlers this has still to be explained.
A detail that Kishiro himself, reminded the reader at the beginning of GLO saying that Alit'a brain is peculiar.
What I think is that as part of the Kammer gruppe Yoko Erica and co (tzykrow and some we may not know yet) may have been used as guinea pigs by the Jovians to test their version of Mathuzalise. Or Kishiro kept the zubringer thing and the exposure to intense heat surprisingly just had the same effect as the venusian nanotechs. (intense heat being caused by Alita entering the atmosphere or the destruction of grunthal but the heat thing is just my personnal theory)

I had assumed that by becoming a cyborg that one could effectively become immortal as long as the brain is kept healthy, as Methusylization was specifically created for humans vs. cyborgs, and it's suggested that flesh and blood humans use it vs. cyborgs. However as pointed out, the only cyborgs so far to have lived for 200+ years so far are the surviving Kunstlers.

Also, Ping stole Methuselah tech ~200 years ago, just before the Terraforming Wars ended.

AR-99 wrote:I had assumed that by becoming a cyborg that one could effectively become immortal as long as the brain is kept healthy

No, keeping the brain healthy won't help.

Aging is a DNA mechanism: each RNA replicator molecule has several molecules of telomerase on it's end, which act as a replication counter. Each time the DNA replicates, the cell loses one telomerase molecule.

When the cell has divided about 30-40 times, it runs out of telomerase - it can't replicate any more. That IS aging.

So, it doesn't matter how long you will keep the brain healthy - at some moment dead cells won't get replaced by new ones, that's all.

As a biologist, let me clear up what moooV just said. In your DNA, there are repeating segments on the ends called telomeres. These are a safety mechanism in the DNA, because it is incapable of replicating the last few base pairs of each chromosome. These telomeres are basically sacrificial base pairs to be removed instead of actual vital DNA during replication. When they're all gone, any further division would damage the DNA.

There IS an enzyme, however, called Telomerase that is activated in cancer cells. Telomerase replaces the telomeres after every division, basically making the cell immortal. However, turning telomerase on leads to cancer.

Still, the neurons in the brain replicate soooo slowly that the amount of replications in your lifetime is less than the amount you kill from spending a night drinking or heading a soccer ball 20 times. The issue isn't that your brain would replicate too many times and then just stop. Rather, it's that it doesn't replicate enough to offset the damage you incur over time.

Essentially, Methuselah needs to be able to repair damaged DNA, prevent or eliminate cancer, activate telomerase, and increase neural replication in order to be an effective method of immortality.

Boring! Boooring!

moooV wrote:How could Ido register?

Easily. All microchips (nowadays) are marked with an unique identification string (especially CPUs) - I doubt that the brain chips weren't marked.
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I have nothing to add here.

However you have added something. To me this question is more tiresome than the other one about Sechs' name, so I refrained myself from doing any comment about it until now. Your synthesis is acceptable, so the end!

Orbital rings and another elevator.

It needs it to stay in balance. Moreover, the ring spins around the globe, bla, bla, bla...

You always say that I don't read carefully your answers, but it's obvious you do the same regarding mine's. The existence of an orbital ring and another structure like Tiphares plus the orbital elevator and Ketheres, on the opposite side of the world, was demonstrated in GLO vol. 3 page 79 (in the scanlation available to download here), so my first question was already answered by Sergio (forgive me because I've mentioned you). But the essential question was (quoting myself):

kamugin wrote:If there are another two cities like Tiphares and Ketheres, what is the people there doing? Do they have no role in all that is happening on the other side of the world?? Or is that structure just dead weight to counterbalance the two cities and the orbital elevator?

Cailon proposed an answer, but since he couldn't provide the source of the information, the question remains open (it's obvious that besindes mine's aswers, you don't read carefully those of the other peoples too):

Cailon wrote:They are called Zig (in space) and Gurat (on the ground) [renamed by VIZ to Binhar and Nezher]. I'm not sure but I think it's said somewhere that they're uninhabited stations, with Gurat automatically gathering water and air. About Zig, maybe really just for counterbalance? Or a Melchizedek back-up or a huge computer for keeping the orbital ring in place?

The Colonel Payne.

The point is not in the character. The point is in the IDEA, which you fail to understand.

Sergio Nova wrote:Colonel Payne is the incarnation of evil. He is a child-exterminator who uses the infants as targets in the battle field. . . He is not characterized as a sort of Nazi authority as a coincidence. . . his ghost personifies the Jungian shadow, as it is explicitly mentioned (see GLO08, page 14).

Much better, but you don't understand the character either. At least, you understand him partially - on contrary to kamugin.

Such a pain to answer that amount of gibberish...

The "amazing thing" is that I understand you (second person plural form, since in English there is no difference between the two). All you've wrote, moooV, while wasting your few hours of sleep, is reduced to this:

Payne himself doesn't matter, he is only the shape Alita gave to her deepest fears, he is her particular materialization of The Evil, or the "Jungian shadow" of the archetypical Evil that is present inside the collective mind of all the humankind. This "shadow" is more oppressive over her unconscious because of all the traumatic experiences she suffered, specially when she was a defenseless child living in a chaotic world. It's so much oppressive that often it flows inside her conscient mind making her beliefs wave and even making her Self crumble as when Nova told her that her brain was replaced by a biochip.

Isn't it?

I would applaud on foot your psychoanalysis of Alita if I was a follower of that theory. "If I was" because your (plural form again) beloved Freud, Jung, Lacan and other less standout psychoanalysers are nothing but pompous talk and pretentious theories. Freud himself, inside his extensive work, described less than ten cases he analyzed (probably he had more patients, but he described less than ten). Jung was Freud's favourite disciple but they ended diverging and Jung created his own theory centered in the idea of a collective mind and his archetypicals. Lacan merely perfected the Freud's theory by introducing the idea of symbol inside psychoanalysis (to Freud there is the father - to Lacan there is the place of the father) besides some other minor adjusts. These are only the main branches of the Psychoanalysis, there are many more of them. But inside all of this complex and beautiful talk, one question remains without answer, just a simple question: where are the proofs? The proofs that all the statements inside these many theories are true? The psychoanalysts answer that the proof is inside the pratice of the Psychoanalysis itself. That is ridiculous, because how can someone turn himself a specialist in so many, and often divergent, theories to "see" those proofs!?

That's why I prefer Skinner's behaviorist theory. To him, what goes in the mind of the subject doesn't matter, not becuse the mind isn't important, but because we can't observe directly what is taking place inside it, we can only observe the subject apparent behaviour, and that behaviour is a response to external estimuli. Do you remember your comrade Pavlov and his dogs?

To Skinner, and his followers, Psychoanalysis isn't science. Skinner's science is the Psychology, a Psychology based on the scientific method that professes the acquisition knowledge by doing experiments and observing its results. The problem is that is unethical or immoral to use human beings in many essential experiments to prove some theories regarding the human behaviour.

Obviously the whole thing is far more complex than this, but I don't have the knowledge to explain much more. I'm already tired and it isn't the objective of this topic to discuss such theories in depth. Besides squashing moooV completely doesn't worth the effort, this Kafkaesque bug have a shell too hard.

However there is something more I must add: Kishiro, and most of the authors that immerse the reader (or spectator) inside the psyche of his/hers characters, prefer to make use of the Psychoanalysis concepts because they are far more "colorful" than the Behaviourist theory. Although the last one have much more success to explain and control the human behaviour. TV shows producers consciously (or not) make use of the Behaviorism far more than the Psychoanalysis to keep their spectators' eyes glued on the TV sets.

You're partially right. Compared to Nova, he isn't a villain at all

I've said that, didn't I?

But the context has switched - in HFV the bad guy was Nova, but where is he now? In the first volume of LO he isn't such a bad guy

Nova, or the "Afro" Nova, to be more specific, reamains a fearsome character. Somewhat he avoided being "assimilated" by Trindad and made a pact with him. Now he is far more dangerous: he has two brainchips and hacking capabilities equal to Trindad's. Also we must remember that Alita's human brain is in his hands, no to mention Tzikrow's brain. I bet he is baking some distasteful cake to give to Alita. Wait and see...

>>>He is not characterized as a sort of Nazi authority as a coincidence.

I've never seen a parallel between him and Nazis, but now I see.

I'm amazed! This is the second person I've found in such short time that never noticed such a worn out cliche!

moooV wrote:Again:

kamugin wrote:To me really is a bother when Yukito brings back such weakly composed character.

This is the only sentence you've paid attention in my whole explanation, I'm disappointed. And it isn't even an argument, it's only a statement. To think that I've read at least three times your pile of pretentious gibberish just to find some coherent idea inside it...

As a guy, who have read TONS of psychological stuff (including Jung, Freud, Lakan, Kaschenko, and lots of other interesting personages' books) I will break it up for you - just look at the magic and follow the hands:

I've followed your hands just to see you pull out a pidgeon out of a hat. Disappointing...

I said it earlier but I know you won't pay attention, so I'll repeat again: Yukito prefers to use Psychoanalysis stuff just because they provide more "colorful inks" to paint his characters (the phantasy tends to be more enchanting than the crude reality). Indeed he is very knowledgeable, but he impresses me much more when he shows his knowledge about natural science, about the most recent weaponry and about languages.

By the way, who is that Kaschenko guy? His Wikipedia entry says almost nothing about him. Is that the same person you're referring to? If it is, I fail to see what a historian that studied those Zaporozhian Cossacks have added to the Psychoanalysis.

And, voila! Captain Jung to the rescue! It's the direct application of his concept of shadow, which YK has even meant explicitly.

Ta-ra-ra-ra! Bravo!
Good logic based on erroneous premises, to say the best...

After her resurrection from Tunguska, there will be no more Colonel - she's a whole now

I would have correct you, but while I was writing this, other people pointed your mistake. Unfortunately Yukito likes too much Colonel Payne... also known as the "Jungian Shadow".

The end. Applause.

I will applaud when I solve that Buddhist puzzle: "Find a way to clap with just one hand."


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However, this brings up even more questions. How can a robot (which she technically is) have mental issues?

Argh! There was one more!...
The brainchips are as complex as a human brain, they are the ultimate and most outstanding conquest of the human science! Otherwise the Tiphareans couldn't have their natural brains replaced by them nor Sechs, Elf and Zwölf could be anything more than robots. Also, if our "primitive" computer processors can exhibit many "bugs" why a brainchip doesn't? The "defective" products are Ido, Nova and so on...

kamugin wrote:Boring! Boooring!

Relax. Go take a beer, I don't know. The feeling you're experiencing right now is called a butthurt.

kamugin wrote:while wasting your few hours of sleep

But you haven't wasted anything - you have nothing to do at your workplace, anyway. Wow, you get paid for posting here - that's cool.

kamugin wrote:By the way, who is that Kaschenko guy?

A famous Russian psychiatrist, who has written lots of books.

kamugin wrote:That's why I prefer Skinner's behaviorist theory.

You know who that is? Wow, I'm impressed.

kamugin wrote:I will applaud when I solve that Buddhist puzzle: "Find a way to clap with just one hand."

You've fallen for that old joke. Try solving it, what can I say.
However, the answer is obvious.

kamugin wrote:You always say that I don't read carefully your answers

You don't read carefylly even your own answers. Try re-reading them several times - it helps.

By the way, what about barjack socket soldiers? Where are their life support systems, while they're hanging from the wall?

Indeed a Kafkaesque bug...

moooV wrote:By the way, what about barjack socket soldiers? Where are their life support systems, while they're hanging from the wall?

I'd say it's somewhere in the casing. it's not like you need much calories per day to sustain a brain and a few face muscles. there's probably a "feeding routine" going on by the same orifice that allows to inject drugs in them.

Does Gehirn Umbao mean anything?

Gehirn means brain, but it looks like umbao is another mistranslation. Google Translate suggests gehirn aufbau, which means brain-based.

Also, in the reprint of Angel of Victory in the extra notes on cyborg anatomy it says that wett zeug means racing engine, but Google says it's "Betting convincing".

Gehirn Umbao is a mistranslation of Gehirnumbau (brain alteration/modification).

I'm clueless about Wett Zeug, though.

EDIT: ah I know. I think the word should've been "Wettrennen Zeug", which could (rather clumsy) be translated as "racing gear".

Ah kamugin you must love arguing for the sake of arguing!!!
I tend to agree with what moooV one because it perfectly makes sense (it goes along my own theory which is not unpleasant given that I did not read Jung) and well Kishiro mentionned Jung himself so... It seems Paine was created along those lines (though I don't like it as I said) but well that's it. It does not mean behaviorism is wrong only that Kishiro did not use it/have knowledge of it. Or that he needed a phantom for Alita to talk to to avoid solliloquies. But that has already been said

A really weird thing I noticed in Glo is how it can be normal for everyone that Alita and the Space Angels come from EARTH!!!!!!! how comes no one questions it? the access to earth has been closed by a universal treaty for centuries and then a bunch of nobodies with awesome fighting skills enter the biggest tournament ever to take place in the universe and no one questions it?
Alita even goes as far as proclaiming the tournament their war of independence! its as weird as if martians entered to the olympic games and no body gives a damn.

Now another weird thing is except for Caerula or tzykrow no one recognizes Alita. Whereas she is responsible of the tragedy of Camlan the biggest terrorist act ever perpetrated. you would expect such an advanced society to keep records of such an tragedy and its perpetrator. She must be in history books and all.
but no one cares!! I think M'bady realizes that at some point ( tzykrow told him if I remember correctly) but he just lets it slip!!!
the biggest terrorist of all times!!!!
I am really at loss on this.