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It would be hilarious to see Gunnm characters doing long Tarantino monologues. And his preference for spaghetti-western and 70s music would make for an ass kicking soundtrack.

I was thinking about this thread earlier and remembered a director I had totally forgotten about: Paul Verhoeven. He's done some awful, awful movies, but he's also done a couple of real sci-fi gems like Robocop and Total Recall. A Battle Angel directorial spot could be a great comeback for him.

"Get your aahhhrse to Mahhrs."

TheNefariousImp wrote:It would be hilarious to see Gunnm characters doing long Tarantino monologues. And his preference for spaghetti-western and 70s music would make for an ass kicking soundtrack.

You have just persuaded me Tarantino is not the man.

TheNefariousImp wrote: I was thinking about this thread earlier and remembered a director I had totally forgotten about: Paul Verhoeven. He's done some awful, awful movies, but he's also done a couple of real sci-fi gems like Robocop and Total Recall. A Battle Angel directorial spot could be a great comeback for him.

Robocop is really an interesting fim. Total Recall is nothing more than a piece of trash. You forgot to mantion Starship Troopers, a fascist screenplay with a fascist narrative, fascist characters and a fascist theme. Or have you not understood the meaning of the "insects"? Let us forget about Verhoefen, please.

But what about the possibility of 3 hours of gratuitous nudity?

TheNefariousImp wrote:But what about the possibility of 3 hours of gratuitous nudity?

Once it does NOT come from Verhoefen, who knows?

TheNefariousImp wrote:But what about the possibility of 3 hours of gratuitous nudity?

Hyperviolence yes, it's ok, but sex no. Sex is taboo to the mainstream Hollywood production today. Conservative times these we live...

TheNefariousImp wrote:
I was thinking about this thread earlier and remembered a director I had totally forgotten about: Paul Verhoeven. He's done some awful, awful movies, but he's also done a couple of real sci-fi gems like Robocop and Total Recall. A Battle Angel directorial spot could be a great comeback for him.

Robocop is really an interesting fim. Total Recall is nothing more than a piece of trash. You forgot to mantion Starship Troopers, a fascist screenplay with a fascist narrative, fascist characters and a fascist theme. Or have you not understood the meaning of the "insects"? Let us forget about Verhoefen, please.

I apologize. Everytime I answer it's always to bash on Sergio... seriously this isn't personal. I actually respect you Sergio.

Total Recall is actually one of the better cinamatic adaptions of a Philip K. Dick story and one of Arnold's best films. And both RoboCop and Total Recall won an Academy Special Achievement Award.

And Verhoeven directed Starship Troopers as a satire. He evokes Nazi Germany - particularly through its use of fashion, iconography and propaganda - which he sees as a natural evolution of the post-World War 2 United States (which I personally don't agree with by the way; I would ask Verhoeven why did he work in Hollywood if he compares the US with Nazi Germany). And others see the film as a satire on human history in general.

Burning Angel wrote: I apologize. Everytime I answer it's always to bash on Sergio... seriously this isn't personal. I actually respect you Sergio.

Total Recall is actually one of the better cinamatic adaptions of a Philip K. Dick story and one of Arnold's best films. And both RoboCop and Total Recall won an Academy Special Achievement Award.

And Verhoeven directed Starship Troopers as a satire. He evokes Nazi Germany - particularly through its use of fashion, iconography and propaganda - which he sees as a natural evolution of the post-World War 2 United States (which I personally don't agree with by the way; I would ask Verhoeven why did he work in Hollywood if he compares the US with Nazi Germany). And others see the film as a satire on human history in general.

Don't worry, guy. I don't take that as personal.

Total Recall has so many clichés that I had to ask myself what I was doing there. As to the Academy Award, you must be joking. Sylvester Stallone was nominated to the Oscar (should I start to laugh right now), Blade Runner had 0 Oscars, and Hitchcock was never nominated. The Oscar is simply a product to promote the industry. It is not a reference of art.

I have heard that story about the film being a satire, but I saw it, that's the point. The narrative, and I believe you are aware, is Leni Riefenstahl's style. And, no, it didn't seem a satire to me. If that was the idea, he was incompetent.

As to compare the III Reich and the American system, that's stupidity, besides being offensive.

Sergio Nova wrote:Repeating myself, I would recommend:

1. Zack Snyder (He has knowledge, knows how to direct actors, and respects the original works when making his films).
2. Robert Rodríguez (after Sin City, it is clear he can make anything).
3. Tim Burton (It would be a gothic film, but it is a cyberpunk scenario, is it not?)
4. Peter Greenaway (well, only appreciators of masterpieces would like the film, obviously).

Sorry Sergio, but once again I COMPLETELY disagree with you.

1) Zack Snyder : well, if you just want a copy-pasted adaptation of the manga, frame after frame, with a shit load of retarded slow motion over choreographed fights and tons of CGI blood, yes, he's the man. But thanks to him, I discovered this masterpiece which is the comic book Watchmen (and the movie adaptation is really good, sure, but far away below the original material). Actor direction ? In 300 (in front of a blue screen) : "THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAA, BEUAAAAAAAARG ! I will kick your ass, you f*cking Ara... I mean Persians, WWWWAAAAAARG ! AHOUUUU, AHOUUU !". In Watchmen : some characters well portayed : The Comedian, Rorschar, some other poorly portrayed : Ozymandias, Laurie...

2) Robert Rodriguez : ??? Okay, I just saw "Sin City" from him, but it seems that he has the same syndrom as Snyder : copy pasting the original comic. BUT I look forward to see the incoming "Machete" (which looks awesome).

3) Tim Burton : okay, you must be kidding me. ANYBODY but Tim Burton. I would even prefer Mickael Bay (or even UWE BOLL) rather than Tim Burton. I don't have anything against him (IMO Ed Wood and Mars Attacks are great movies), but I really don't want to see Johnny Depp as Ido and Helena Bonham Carter as... well... a vampire or something, with Gally/Alita (renamed Morticia for sounding more "creepy gothic"), evolving among gothic houses with bats and creepy trees.
I don't think you really get what "cyberpunk" is, and it has NOTHING to do with "gothic". I would even say these are completely opposite... Maybe you were thinking about a fusion between Cyberpunk and gothic and I didn't understand in that way... But even in that way, it would be anything but Gunnm. It's like putting the "Akira" plot in the US (as US producers really intend to do).

4) I don't know him (and you will probably reply : "it's because you don't have any cinematographic culture, you stupid blockbuster eater" ^^)

To summarize, I still don't understand how you can praise Zack Snyder and blame James Cameron. About Avatar "being an intergalactic Pocahantas" well, Cameron NEVER pretended to come up with an original story. He SAID, far before the movie release, that the story is heavily influenced by Pocahantas, Dance with Wolves, and stuff. Okay, let me do as you did with Tim Burton :
1) Piranha : never seen, but it would be totally stupid to blame him for his very first movie (just to mention, he was fired from the film set after a couple of days, so I don't think he's 100% responsible for this...)
2) Terminator : great low budget Sci-Fi film. GOOD actor direction, all characters are very well portrayed. Simple but awesome storyline. Something like 100% approval on Rottentomatoes.
3) Aliens : same
4) Abyss : same but with a f*cking cheesy ending that almost screws up the entire film.
5) Terminator 2 : awesome. Nothing else to say about it.
6) True Lies : parodic action movie. Not a masterpiece, but goddamn funny.
7) Titanic : ew... let say I saw it a long time ago and I don't remember very well... Not the kind of movie I want to see again, to be honest...
8 ) Avatar : cliché story line with archetypal characters (you see, we all agree on that, right ?) and astonishing FX for an overall good sci-fi blockbuster.
James Cameron is actually a FAN of the manga and a fan of japanese culture in general...

I'm surprised you didn't mention Ridley Scott. Because as I remember we both seem to like his work, especially Blade Runner.

And personally, I would like to see a JAPANESE director for this movie...

No one man can direct this movie.

I suggest we conjoin Terry Gilliam and Francis Coppola and release them only upon completion of the film. Tercis Coppilliam will be the greatest director of all time!

Or maybe Guillermo Del Craven.

Or J.C. Nolbrams.

Lets just hope the dreaded Uwe Bay doesn't do it.

TheNefariousImp wrote:No one man can direct this movie.

I suggest we conjoin Terry Gilliam and Francis Coppola and release them only upon completion of the film. Tercis Coppilliam will be the greatest director of all time!

Or maybe Guillermo Del Craven.

Or J.C. Nolbrams.

Lets just hope the dreaded Uwe Bay doesn't do it.

Do you really like to invent names?

Just bored and fantasizing about awesome directorial teamups. Seriously though, an Uwe Boll and Michael Bay film could possibly be the greatest comedy ever made.

But back to reality, I honestly believe Cameron could do a good job on a Battle Angel movie, but right now he seems more interested in making money out of 3-D tech more than making good movies. Maybe 3D will stick around, but I think after people suffer enough migraines from their overpriced new TVs the optical illusion may lose its appeal. Realistically, BA is likely to be shelved for a long time, unless maybe he suffers an aneurysm that causes a fantastic personality change.

The sad fact is, real science fiction just doesn't sell anymore. Redletter Media's review of the new Star Trek film sums up the state of Sci-Fi (at least in the Hollywood industry) quite well: http://redlettermedia.com/star_trek_09.html . No matter what, any translation into film or animation is going to lose something of the print form. At best, we could maybe hope Cameron might plan to make it into the first 3-D miniseries since broadcasting TV in 3-D seems to be about as far off as a BA project at this point. At least with a miniseries, the story could be kept mostly intact without having to re-imagine it with the characters to fit into a 450 minute trilogy.

on the news today on the little bar that scrolls infos tidbit i read" james cameron confirmd he is working on avatar 2 and 3 and it will be a 5 year project"
so i think its safe to say alita is just not going to happen.. and maby that is what he wants..... such a shame

vilma21 wrote: on the news today on the little bar that scrolls infos tidbit i read" james cameron confirmd he is working on avatar 2 and 3 and it will be a 5 year project"
so i think its safe to say alita is just not going to happen.. and maby that is what he wants

You've made my day! These are the BEST news I've heard in quite a while.

I think, I should celebrate it with the champagne and caviar!

moooV wrote:

vilma21 wrote: on the news today on the little bar that scrolls infos tidbit i read" james cameron confirmd he is working on avatar 2 and 3 and it will be a 5 year project"
so i think its safe to say alita is just not going to happen.. and maby that is what he wants

You've made my day! These are the BEST news I've heard in quite a while.

I think, I should celebrate it with the champagne and caviar!

I perfectly agree

vilma21 wrote:on the news today on the little bar that scrolls infos tidbit i read" james cameron confirmd he is working on avatar 2 and 3 and it will be a 5 year project"
so i think its safe to say alita is just not going to happen.. and maby that is what he wants..... such a shame

that news is 2 years old, the success of avatar called for sequels and postponed gunnm project

it's still on the tracks don't worry, the good news actually being that 3D stuff is making a flop and we won't have to get an headache just to see zalem over the scrapyard on a 20m screen !

if you don't get chivers at this last idea, i'm sad to say that maybe some of you aren't fan at all, but integrists of the worst kind :/

HumanRage wrote: if you don't get chivers at this last idea, i'm sad to say that maybe some of you aren't fan at all, but integrists of the worst kind :/

The simple idea of a film on Gunnm has made me unable to sleep in peace. After heinous crimes like V for Vendetta, I am afraid of anything. Adding that Cameron has never made anything decent besides action movies (Or do you really consider Avatar cinema?), I do pray for him never filming that. Kishiro hated the anime adaptation of Gunnm, after a movie he will have many reasons to be sorry.

Sergio Nova wrote:

HumanRage wrote: if you don't get chivers at this last idea, i'm sad to say that maybe some of you aren't fan at all, but integrists of the worst kind :/

The simple idea of a film on Gunnm has made me unable to sleep in peace. After heinous crimes like V for Vendetta, I am afraid of anything. Adding that Cameron has never made anything decent besides action movies (Or do you really consider Avatar cinema?), I do pray for him never filming that. Kishiro hated the anime adaptation of Gunnm, after a movie he will have many reasons to be sorry.

i tried the comic of V-Vendetta after having watched and loved the movie 3 times in a week

i said tried, because i couldn't read it, and i got a huge tons of all sort of comics in my trunk, but actually, that comic was a storyboard, not a comic. sure it obviously got simplified, but should havee i seen it in theater, i would have started a riot right away with the rest of the audience.

Cameron is good at action movies with a universe, which is exactly the first books of gunnm, pllus cyborg existentialism. it WILL kick ass, i don't have any doubt but i must admit i couldn't care less for the story of an action movie...

you just got it all wrong, buddy, it's the other way around.

Sergio Nova wrote:Cameron has never made anything decent besides action movies

Only action movies? I have to admit Titanic is a great film even I dislike Di Caprio, dislike long movies and dislike romantic crap.

A Gunnm movie (or any adaptation) would be disastrous though, so it's fine like this.

what most people got against to him is actually going for easy shots.

a love story around the tragedy of titanic ? netted billions.

i loved abyss, both short and long versions (not the same films), and terminator 2, which used the fx technology developed for abyss. that's right, back then i was 12 and already knew about that kind of things and the movies i went to.

aliens, both short and long version, defintely in my top3

what's bothering all these people ? he precisely chose his projects, and always wins his bets or at least make legendary stuff.

i wouldn't go as far as to say that he got talent, but he definitely got some talent. guy is a fan and wants to make his own Gunnm candy ? well go on, we wait !

What about Cameron - I think, he's the perfect person to make this movie.
He can definitely make something outstanding - especially in graphics and action, the fights will look brilliant. What about the story - the only thing he has to do is to stick to the manga as closely as possible.

The only thing, which I've mentioned many times earlier - I don't want this movie done AT ALL by ANY director.

PS.
Also, I've started seriously respecting him as a person also - just read his biography. He was a truck driver, and now he's the biggest director.

HumanRage wrote: i said tried, because i couldn't read it, and i got a huge tons of all sort of comics in my trunk, but actually, that comic was a storyboard, not a comic. sure it obviously got simplified, but should havee i seen it in theater, i would have started a riot right away with the rest of the audience.

Interesting. You haven't read it but you have a complete opinion about the book.

HumanRage wrote: Cameron is good at action movies with a universe, which is exactly the first books of gunnm, pllus cyborg existentialism. it WILL kick ass, i don't have any doubt but i must admit i couldn't care less for the story of an action movie...

It seems you are confusing Gunnm and Terminator. Terminator is an action movie. Only! Except if you consider he made a good work directing actors like Swarzenegger and Sarah Connors (I don't know the actress' name) really an artistic work. The result doesn't seem that to me. At to the universe, the comparison HAS TO BE a joke. If you are referring to Aliens, give up. After seeing Alien (by Ridley Scott) , you can see Cameron's version is a COMPLETELY different work - although much more commercial.

HumanRage wrote:you just got it all wrong, buddy, it's the other way around.

Are you making fun of me?

Abaddon wrote: Only action movies? I have to admit Titanic is a great film even I dislike Di Caprio, dislike long movies and dislike romantic crap.

Let me see:
1. Direction of actors - none.
2. Storytelling - none.
3. Visual narrative - none.
4. Action - none (what?).

It is surely a blockbuster, but, once again, it is NOT cinema. Even action is lacking, for God's sake.
Anyway, if you were living a romantic day when you saw it…

moooV wrote: Also, I've started seriously respecting him as a person also - just read his biography. He was a truck driver, and now he's the biggest director.

I finally understood. He directs his movies as if driving a truck - with the same subtlety.

Sergio Nova wrote:Are you making fun of me?

are you talking sh*t, pedant autistic and integrist talks, just for the sake of increasing your postcount, or do you really want to make people you discuss with getting nuts ?

your mind is so much of a one-track pony that i don't know where to start to make you reasonable again... mainly why i never posted in that thread, i don't much like talking to integrist who can't understand other's point of views, and want them to only appreciate what they do, what they think we deserve to like and appreciate.

you need to do something about that, that'll bring you trouble in real life, not all people are as understanding as we can be on a forum...

i stop here.

HumanRage wrote: you need to do something about that, that'll bring you trouble in real life, not all people are as understanding as we can be on a forum...

Indeed! I promised myself not to prolong low level discussion any more. Besides being a lack of respect to the community, it is a lack of respect to myself.

In order to simplify, I do not intend to comment your posts any longer. It will be good for both of us.