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Gerda

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:01 am
by kamugin
To prove, if it is really necessary to prove, that Japanese characters must be conveyed by Japanese people.
It isn't really Gerda, but it struck me how she could be in a "realistic" depiction.

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Re: Gerda

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:55 am
by moooV
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Re: Gerda

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:04 pm
by Caboclo Guerreiro
But... that is not a human being.... it is a hyperrealistic doll made by a japanese couple and doesn't look Japanese at all... It looks more like North European...

Re: Gerda

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:59 pm
by Pablolein
Caboclo Guerreiro wrote:But... that is not a human being.... it is a hyperrealistic doll made by a japanese couple and doesn't look Japanese at all... It looks more like North European...
I was about to point out the same (although Gerda should look german-like, isn't she?)... anyway, it looks like a good visual aproach to the character. I'm really curious about how are they gonna adapt Gerda into the Live Action, since she wasn't in the anime... hopefully they don't mess her up.

Re: Gerda

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:55 am
by kamugin
Pablolein wrote:
I was about to point out the same (although Gerda should look german-like, isn't she?)... anyway, it looks like a good visual aproach to the character.
I told you guys that it wasn't Gerda. I just said it was the closest best "realistic" depiction of a character that could be her. You guys are so blunt sometimes :|

Sorry, moooV, I didn't get the meme. Is it some inside joke of designers?

Re: Gerda

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:36 am
by ^Ripper
kamugin wrote:Sorry, moooV, I didn't get the meme. Is it some inside joke of designers?
If you look closely you can see the jpeg artifacts on those images very clearly.
Especially the edges and red space.
They have been compressed too much.

Re: Gerda

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:07 am
by Pablolein
kamugin wrote:
Pablolein wrote:
I was about to point out the same (although Gerda should look german-like, isn't she?)... anyway, it looks like a good visual aproach to the character.
I told you guys that it wasn't Gerda. I just said it was the closest best "realistic" depiction of a character that could be her. You guys are so blunt sometimes :|
I know it isn't Gerda. What I didn't understand was that you mentioned that "japanese characters must be conveyed by japanese people", because the image doesn't look japanese at all (and Gerda must look german), but maybe I was just lost in translation. I never meant to be negative about it, I also said I liked that aproach.

Re: Gerda

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:25 am
by kamugin
Pablolein wrote: I know it isn't Gerda. What I didn't understand was that you mentioned that "japanese characters must be conveyed by japanese people", because the image doesn't look japanese at all (and Gerda must look german), but maybe I was just lost in translation. I never meant to be negative about it, I also said I liked that aproach.
You got half of it right. Gerda shouldn't look Asian because she was, presumably, a German descendant, unlike Yoko/Alita. What I was emphasizing is that characters taken from manga and Anime must be conveyed by Japanese artists because they have much less chance to screw up like Rodriguez and Cameron did with Alita.

Re: Gerda

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:37 am
by kamugin
^Ripper wrote: If you look closely you can see the jpeg artifacts on those images very clearly.
Especially the edges and red space.
They have been compressed too much.
Sorry, ^Ripper, I just linked the images that were available in the article. They looked fine enough to me since I was posting from my smartphone and my age is starting to affect my eyesight. However I think they are good enough to illustrate my opinion.

Re: Gerda

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:45 am
by 00_unit
Pablolein wrote:
Caboclo Guerreiro wrote:But... that is not a human being.... it is a hyperrealistic doll made by a japanese couple and doesn't look Japanese at all... It looks more like North European...
I was about to point out the same (although Gerda should look german-like, isn't she?)... anyway, it looks like a good visual aproach to the character. I'm really curious about how are they gonna adapt Gerda into the Live Action, since she wasn't in the anime... hopefully they don't mess her up.
I think, don't read in too much of it, but some say that gerda in the film will be a motorball player or something else, as if they were to choose that approach why not make an original character instead, as I can fathom that idea of gerda being a part of motorball.

Re: Gerda

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:40 pm
by Pablolein
kamugin wrote:
Pablolein wrote: I know it isn't Gerda. What I didn't understand was that you mentioned that "japanese characters must be conveyed by japanese people", because the image doesn't look japanese at all (and Gerda must look german), but maybe I was just lost in translation. I never meant to be negative about it, I also said I liked that aproach.
You got half of it right. Gerda shouldn't look Asian because she was, presumably, a German descendant, unlike Yoko/Alita. What I was emphasizing is that characters taken from manga and Anime must be conveyed by Japanese artists because they have much less chance to screw up like Rodriguez and Cameron did with Alita.
I misunderstood the word "convey", my mistake.
00_unit wrote: I think, don't read in too much of it, but some say that gerda in the film will be a motorball player or something else, as if they were to choose that approach why not make an original character instead, as I can fathom that idea of gerda being a part of motorball.
WHAT?!? If that's true, it's an awful choice. When I saw that Gerda was involved, i hoped it meant we were getting some flashbacks about mars, wich could have been cool. All the stuff about motorball in ths movie sounds so wrong, there's no need to rush that storyline for a first movie! Specially when it could have been saved for a sequel, and even make an entire movie about the motorball and it's own world.
If true, it's sad.

Re: Gerda

Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:22 pm
by kamugin
Pablolein wrote: WHAT?!? If that's true, it's an awful choice. When I saw that Gerda was involved, i hoped it meant we were getting some flashbacks about mars, wich could have been cool. All the stuff about motorball in this movie sounds so wrong, there's no need to rush that storyline for a first movie! Specially when it could have been saved for a sequel, and even make an entire movie about the motorball and it's own world.
If true, it's sad.
This is no news if you were following the movie and trailer discussion. This whole movie is wrong.

Regarding the pictures I linked, I think the artist probably took inspiration from Gunnm. Her hands are clearly ciborg's hands, she seems to have rollerblades under her feet and the white paint on her face is obvious, in addition she is holding a helmet. All of this could be a motorball gear.

Re: Gerda

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:59 am
by RockyRaccoon
kamugin wrote:
Pablolein wrote: I know it isn't Gerda. What I didn't understand was that you mentioned that "japanese characters must be conveyed by japanese people", because the image doesn't look japanese at all (and Gerda must look german), but maybe I was just lost in translation. I never meant to be negative about it, I also said I liked that aproach.
You got half of it right. Gerda shouldn't look Asian because she was, presumably, a German descendant, unlike Yoko/Alita. What I was emphasizing is that characters taken from manga and Anime must be conveyed by Japanese artists because they have much less chance to screw up like Rodriguez and Cameron did with Alita.
I think you're sounding a bit too pessimistic about a movie that hasn't even come out yet. There's only been literally one trailer that was released so there isn't that much that you should judge off it other than rumors and speculation.