Recap and Speculation

[MrFaber]

I wanted to open this topic to recap a bit what's going on on Mars Chronicle and trying to imagine where next arcs are going to go.

First of all, what's going on in the 'present'?

1) We know that Grunthal wasn't completely destroyed in the purge but the very leader of the Panzer kunst and what it looks like to be the headquarters of the organization survived as necrosoldiers and they seem to be up to seizing control of the planet. Or at least they work as mercs for someone who's up to that.
2) There might be a Gally impersonator who tried to kill Limeira or staged the thing to raise tension. Or Gally herself could have been the even the culprit?
3) Someone whanted Caerula out of the scene and they tried to blow her up (she is alive, no one believed for a second she's dead)
4) There is this Deisen which now, anticlimatically, is the mastermind behind everything and we literally know nothing about it.
5) The quantum supercomputers are trying to keep order and Gynoid Gally works for them
6) Gynoid Gally is teaming up again with Supernova to reverse the necrosoldier procedure for Erika who, by the way, has been killed 200 years before by Yoko.
7) Actual Gally is on the Earth surface making a non stop stream of babies with Figure Four and, i guess, she's surprisingly out of the games.

Did i miss anything? Maybe what Zappa Terracotta and his company is after?

While in the 'past'...

1) Munster found the treasure of Mars which appears to be a longevity technologi, so, Mathuzalization? So early? Maybe an unfinished version of it?
2) Yet another militar force is developing Necrosoldiers
3) The Grunthal organization is selling shoes and merc services
4) Yoko and Erikan can't even strike a punch yet.

So, what's going to happen next?

Will we see a sort of Panzer Kunst training montage and we'll go a few years after?
Wil we see why Yoko killer Erika?
Will we learn more about Maulwurf operation?
Will we finally see who's Deisen in the past?
Will we keep seeing random new cool looking characters and a story that doesn't seem to go anywhere?
Will we see many more "penis guns"?

But above all, how many tankobon there will be yet?

[00_unit]

I wanted to open this topic to recap a bit what's going on on Mars Chronicle and trying to imagine where next arcs are going to go.

First of all, what's going on in the 'present'?

1) We know that Grunthal wasn't completely destroyed in the purge but the very leader of the Panzer kunst and what it looks like to be the headquarters of the organization survived as necrosoldiers and they seem to be up to seizing control of the planet. Or at least they work as mercs for someone who's up to that.
2) There might be a Gally impersonator who tried to kill Limeira or staged the thing to raise tension. Or Gally herself could have been the even the culprit?
3) Someone whanted Caerula out of the scene and they tried to blow her up (she is alive, no one believed for a second she's dead)
4) There is this Deisen which now, anticlimatically, is the mastermind behind everything and we literally know nothing about it.
5) The quantum supercomputers are trying to keep order and Gynoid Gally works for them
6) Gynoid Gally is teaming up again with Supernova to reverse the necrosoldier procedure for Erika who, by the way, has been killed 200 years before by Yoko.
7) Actual Gally is on the Earth surface making a non stop stream of babies with Figure Four and, i guess, she's surprisingly out of the games.

Did i miss anything? Maybe what Zappa Terracotta and his company is after?

While in the 'past'...

1) Munster found the treasure of Mars which appears to be a longevity technologi, so, Mathuzalization? So early? Maybe an unfinished version of it?
2) Yet another militar force is developing Necrosoldiers
3) The Grunthal organization is selling shoes and merc services
4) Yoko and Erikan can't even strike a punch yet.

So, what's going to happen next?

Will we see a sort of Panzer Kunst training montage and we'll go a few years after?
Wil we see why Yoko killer Erika?
Will we learn more about Maulwurf operation?
Will we finally see who's Deisen in the past?
Will we keep seeing random new cool looking characters and a story that doesn't seem to go anywhere?
Will we see many more "penis guns"?

But above all, how many tankobon there will be yet?

The creator has said the series is not ending for a long time and that when Mars Chronicle began serialisation he said that this is the halfway point(so assume Mars Chronicle will have over 28 volumes), and admits he is a slow drawer according to a France interview I encounter, I just use google translator and got an idea of what he is saying. Mosby is what I am going to assume might be one of the five schools the series has been talking we have seen mentions of them such as Schneider, and Gossen. So that Keun dude might be an owner of one of the five schools o the series. I assume Daesin might be tiger sauer or one of his students no evidence just a wild guess. Treasure is Mathuzalization most likely so venus plays role later.

The present hoping to see more returning characters, and I am wondering how the city of Nezher will play a role in this storyline as well. The past I am still skeptical what the three eyed(six eyed bird was). There is also knipe that keun is searching for as well. I assume after this arc will we see the girls train(speaking of which how does erica get her eye back?).

I wonder will we see Vilma in the flashback and also the cam ranh tragedy as well as she did have an influence in the destruction of grunthal.

Many more questions but no closer to our answers. But I guess it doesn't hurt to speculate here and there

Also I think Unye her phenomenon might be related to some interesting theories about OOB(Out-of-body experiences) and it could be based on some OOB experiments such as Charles Tart for example, as Kishiro seems to like reference real world science phenomena such as Phineas Gage.

[Martin]

Amazon plans on delivering my book 7 (USA here) on the 20th. That should pick up my post Munster Mars interest.

Reading Bone atm.

[MrFaber]

I got mine 2 weeks ago at the local comic shop. It almost catch up with the current chapter.

[Dream]

seems about accurate to me, but because of the chronicle format it's hard for me to catch what's really "plot for latter" and what is "plot for lore".
I'm getting really desperate for "present" plot progression to be honest, I have always preferred when manga lore was put into side books or spin off by "lesser" authors, full of just datas and facts. Because we currently need each event to be tied to a plot line, we are taking literal years to get reveals for simple details that aren't even that important to us. The treasure could be the one piece, it's not going to change Gally's destiny.

As far as penis guns go, I think we need more boob missiles to balance it all.

[MrFaber]

I honestly think Kishiro have been sick of writing GUNNM for some years now, and he only wants to write side storied for characters that jump to his mind. It's literally all we have seen since the ZOT or even earlier. And what great side stories they where! Some of those characters would have made the fortune of any other manga serialization. Yet, main plot of the last 20 years.. maybe 3-4 volumes of stuff?

[EricaFan]

Warning: A series of very long, speculative and iffy walls of text ahead, be prepared!
Who is Dasein?

Spoiler:

Another thread that discusses this specific issue: Who is Dasein?

In the end of BAA:LO Jupitan and Melchizedek ally to form the quantum convergence and make Alita their agent, also Caerula is kind of on their side as well.. don't you think this is a bit overpowered? Wouldn't there need to be an opponent on the same level to make things interesting?

The first few posts in the thread mentioned above point out preisterin Mui as a very likely candidate, in log 10 her interactions with Caerula have a bit of a mocking and challenging vibe to them so I think it's likely that she is Caerula's target/oponent, but, against the Arthur+Jupi combo there would be a need for something more: the Saule network.
ES 50: The first two Quantum Brain Simulators: Pendragon and then it's successor Merlin are built under military oversight.
ES 54: Merlin predicts the Geo Catastrophe, is ignored, the Q.B.S. research team breaks up.
ES 55: The Geo Catastrophe happens and Q.B.S. development stops/slows to a crawl for at least 80 years.
Or does it?
ES 53: First emigration to Mars.
Would it be too farfetched to presume that rather than ignoring Merlin's predictions, some of power factions at the time concluded that there was no way to prevent the meteor impact and thus chose to move to Mars taking the Q.B.S. tech with them.
ES 218: Orbital elevator is complete and space colonization starts.
ES 235: Construction of full scale colony on Mars begins.
ES 253: Mars Great King Elfriede signs the Baldachin Non-Aggression Treaty with the MBV.
And here is the big question: Are the MBV a product of the new migration that started in ES 218, or, are they the product of the original emigration way back from ES 53?
Because if it's the later and if the Saule Network is a Q.B.S. that has been running and quietly spreading it's influence for all this time, that could be a power that could go toe to toe with the Arthur+Jupi combo.

[EricaFan]

Unye and Panzer Kunst:

Spoiler:

Unye is the true inventor of "real" Panzer Kunst. Obviously those opinions were meant as joke, after all we already see Gelda use R.P.K. before.
However, like Keun said "The fact that a fighting style is not known is an advantage, right?".
The reason the Dejah Thoris liberation looked like a circus performance was probably because that's exactly what it was meant to be: A publicity stunt made in front of a large audience (the town's entire population) that would be most likely recorded, broadcast all across mars and analyzed by their enemies frame by frame to try and deduce the secrets of the P.K. .
In "serious" Gruntal operations were R.P.K. is used, the standard M.O. is probably to leave behind no witnesses or recordings.
That is probably why Keun is being questioned right off the bat if he was responsible for killing half of the soldier in the public square: to chide him for using R.P.K. in the open, and, to suggest that if all he wanted was to remove enemy presence from the town, he should have requested for a few elite Kunstlers to come in the dead of night and massacre everybody with stolen shoelaces instead of a large detachment of their forces coming in broad daylight to make a sparkly show of force that would afterwards incur the cost and headache of dealing with P.O.W.'s and equipment retrieval.

As for Unye:
1. In log 40 there is a short exchange between Erica and the TGIV girl about how does it feel to be controlled and the TGIV girl essentially describes it as an O.B.E. thing, this seems a rather clear indication that Unye also underwent TGIV treatment or something similar to it.
2. Before that in log 39, Something about Unye seems to remind Keun about his dead girlfriend Wami, and while eavesdropping on Keun's story about Wami's mysterious death she feels pain and sadness that she can't understand, also she is unsure as to why she stole the NNN diary, and in addition to all that her fighting style essentially is R.P.K., all this seems to suggest that Mr or rather Mrs fairy is actually Wami's "ghost".
3. Also Unye being able to see what's going on in the TGIV modification room after her body left it coupled with Ngala later on mentioning how he watched the surveillance footage of her performance seems to indicate that in fairy mode she has the ability to remotely hack into and view surveillance systems.
4. Also in log 40 Unye mentions that she wants to be a spaceship navigation officer like her parents, which suggests that her parents were part of the original crew of the Dejah Thoris and that Unye is thus a Dejah Thoris native.

How to connect all that I'm not sure.
Also, Wami had acrophobia whereas Unye seems to really like jumping from high places, this seems like a contradiction, but maybe in the last few seconds of her life the terror of plunging to her death has pushed Wami's fear of heights beyond the limit of rationality and made her enjoy the feeling of falling from a great height instead .. or something like that..

[EricaFan]

When does Alita kill Erika?

Spoiler:

With the "next time we meet I'll kill you" declaration happening right before the sortie of operation maulwurf when did Alita have time to kill Erica?

A simple and boring answer is that Jupi provided Alita with detailed recordings of Gruntal's destruction and identifying Erica among the corpses Alita concludes that since the destruction was caused by her screw-up, she is therefor responsible for Erica's death.
However, aside from being boring, there are a few things about this that feel a bit off:
At the beginning of BAA:LO Nova says that Alita now has the memories that were previously blocked, which can be understood as memories that she suppressed by intent, and it is only after this that she starts remembering about Erica at all.
Even then, the memories that she recalls are only the "good times" when they were training together as kids, at the same time, she keeps on mentioning that she has a deep pain in her heart that she has forgotten, she mentions this even after learning/remembering that she is essentially a mega-mass-murder who is also responsible for Gruntal's destruction and that she no longer posses an organic brain.
This suggests that her memory of killing Erica should be something more profound than just logically concluding that Erica probably died in something that was from a certain point of view might be her responsibility.
Also in the panel depicting her execution there are several atmospheric entry trails and not just one.
And also, if I'm not mistaken, in the original BAA Alita's arrival on Earth was associated with an attack by Mars forces on the orbital elevator.

So my guess(... short fanfic that completely ignores everything that happened in the original BAA and stretches to the extreme what was shown in LO an MC ...) at how things went on is something like this:

After beginning their P.K. training Erica quickly realizes that the majority of Gruntal's forces are just cannon fodder clowns and if she wants to survive and protect Yoko she needs to make it to the top of Gruntal's food chain. Consequentially she pushes herself to the limit and remembering the times that they got separated and the times that Yoko had to act on her own she keeps Yoko as her permanent sparring partner and pushes her to the limit as well.
On the darker side of things, despite Muster's best efforts, Erica is not inherently evil, Yoko's innocence and the belief that everything she does is for the sake of Yoko's happiness and well-being is like a drug that allows Erica to cope with how wretched and rotten her own existence is. Consequentially, behind Yoko's back, Erica does everything she can to crash not only anyone who tries to mistreat or bully Yoko but also any whom she perceives as trying to take Yoko away from her.
As a result Erica and Yoko become a team and start breaking records, quickly advancing through the ranks and becoming the most celebrated up and coming Kunstler Elites.

Like Tzykrow, most people around them assume that Erica is a genius overachiever and that Yoko is nothing more than a useless crybaby that Erica uses as her punching and pet toy.
The only two people who realize the reality of the relationship between Yoko and Erica are Gelgt and Gelda.
Gelgt is entirely happy with the situation, believing that before too long Yoko and Erica would become Gruntal's strongest weapons and that by exploiting Erica's psychological dependence on Yoko and Yoko's mindless following of Erica he would be able to perfectly control them.
Gelda believes that the situation between them is dangerous and unhealthy and keeps warning Gelgt that the sharper the blade the easier it breaks, that the balance between them is far more fragile than it seems and that what he's going to end with is a pair of shattered wrecks.
Gelgt keeps their training as intense as he can and before too long starts sending them on the most dangerous missions that he thinks they can handle.
Gelda while maintaining a training routine to satisfy Gelgt tries to do what she can to make Yoko more independent and Erika more trusting towards the people around her.
Yoko gets closer to Gelda in whom she sees a mother figure, Erica gets closer a provider of the power that she needs to protect Yoko.

Secretly, behind the scenes and in the background, Gelgt is working for the MBV and as the basic necrosoldier treatment nears completion, the MBV starts pressuring Gelgt to covert the entirety of Gruntal into necrosoldiers. Despite being generally an efficiency over emotions type of person he finds the idea distasteful and keeps stalling.

By the time operation Maulwurf is commissioned, as a team Erica and Yoko are among Gruntal elites and the initial plans for the operations involve the two of them being the corner stone of the operation.
Gelda disliking the operation as a whole and stating openly that it is a clear act of terrorism that would greatly stain Gruntal's reputation, is vehemently opposed to involving Erica and Yoke in it at all, let alone making them the center of it, claiming that it would turn them into monsters that Gruntal won't be able to control.
Gelgt believing that this operation is crucial for Gruntal's growth and future starts seeing Gelda as a decisive factor and a bother and decided to kill three birds with one stone by submitting Gelda to the necrosoldier procedure: To take Gelda out of the picture until the operation completes, to appease the MBV by performing the operation on one of Gruntal's top elites, and, to use the Gelda to gauge if the necrosoldier control mechanism really is just a harmless safety switch like the MBV claim it to be and that otherwise the procedure is nothing more or less than a way to bring dead kunstlers back to life, or, if the control mechanism is actually something the MBV intend to use to turn all of Gruntal into mindless obidient zombies.

To "prepare" Gelda for the treatment, Gelgt inflames Erica's paranoid feelings that Gelda is trying to separate her from Yoko and then orders her to sabotage a mission that she, Yoko and Gelda are going to carry together in a manner that would result in Gelda's death.
This little scheme ends up having two consequences that Gelgt failed to expect, a mildly beneficial one, and a completely disastrous one:
The mildly beneficial consequence is that seeing Gelda, a pillar of strength that Yoko believed to be unbreakable and unbeatable, die in front of her eyes, makes Yoko start "waking up" and start seeing rather than merely watching how fragile and cruel the world around her is, which in turn makes her redouble her training.
The completely disastrous one is that believing that Gelda's death was a result of her own weakness, Yoko start being afraid that she is a burden and a bother to the other person on whom she has been leaning all her life - Erika, as a result Yoko starts distancing herself from Erika, in turn, like Gelda predicted from the very start, this sudden rejection starts breaking Erika's psychological equilibrium.

As the preparations for operation Maulwurf progress the teamwork between Erica and Yoko falls apart and Erica starts being more and more erratic and unstable.
Seeing Erika's deteriorating mental state Gelgt decides to take her off the operation and starts looking for someone else to replace her as Yoko's partner.
Humiliated, unwilling to accept the thought of Yoko being able to survive without her and being terrified of losing Yoko forever, Erika confronts Yoko and demands that she should resign from the operation as well.
The two of them start arguing and Erika reveals that she is the one responsible for Gelda's death as well as for everyone keeping their distance from Yoko.
Yoko denounces Erika as an abominable demon and declares that she wished she had blown up in the mine field rather than met her.
Erika flips and beats Yoko half to death, Yoko declares that Erika is nothing more than a wild animal and that after she returns from carrying out operation Maulwurf on her own she is going to put her down.
Erika suffers a complete nervous breakdown and wonders through the halls in fits of hysterical laughter. Gelgt locks her up in detention and goes to talk with Yoko.

Being afraid of completely losing Erika, Gelgt asks Yoko to try and patch things up between them.
Yoko replies that Erika is a weakling just like Gelda was and that they she doesn't need anyone else and can carry out the operation perfectly on her own.
Gelgt realizes that having rejected both Erica and Gelda, Yoko is now probably on the verge of breakdown too, cursing himself for not having headed Gelda's warnings he never-the-less decides that it is now too late to change or delay the operation and that at least in her current state Yoko should indeed be able to carry the operation on her own.
Unfortunately Caerula, an overwhelming enemy factor that Gelgt didn't and couldn't know about happens.

As Triniad isn't around yet, the MBV have a fairly high level of infiltration into Ketheres and thus Gelgt almost immediately discovers about Yoko's failure.
Realizing that the Jupiter Union will most likely disavow and try to destroy Gruntal in order to hide it's own involvement and that the MBV will use that as a pretext to turn all of Gruntal into necrosoldiers, Gelgt decides to take a last ditch gambit to try and salvage the situation by releasing Erika and tasking her with rescuing Yoko and sinking the Orbital Elevator, hoping that the goal of rescuing Yoko would allow Erika to pull herself together and that sinking the O.E. will break or weaken the Orbitary union to the point that the Jupiter Union would see it more beneficial to press it's offensive instead of falling back and trying to play nice.

Initially this works out perfectly, with the promise of using the chaos resultant from the Camlan disaster to carry a lucrative raiding operation on Ketheres, Erika manages to quickly put together a fleet of pirates, mercenaries and other ne'er-do-wells, slip through Orbitary Union forces and arrive just in time to rescue Yoko from her execution.
However, once Yoko is rescued, she and Erika start arguing again and losing focus, Erika messes the timing for the rest of the operation allowing the Orbitary Union to call for reinforcements.
Realizing that there is no longer a chance for victory or escape, Erika shoves Yoko into an escape pod, launches her through the battle debris on a safe atmospheric entry trajectory and rallies the rest of her forces with a false promise of escape in order to distract the Orbitary Union forces and prevent them from noticing Yoko's escape pod descending to earth.

As she falls through the atmosphere, Yoko sees Erika's ship blown to smithereens, during the weeks that follow, as she lies in a pile of junk and her brain starts entering into auto-hibernation mode, Yoko blames herself for Erika's death and now feeling truly and genuinely alone she switches from blaming Erika for her own misery and troubles to blaming herself for all of Erika's misery and troubles, sinking into depression and despair, she starts wishes she never existed in the first place.

Aftermath:
Since the Orbitary Union kept most of the details about the Camlann tragedy secret, what the dwellers on the surface noticed and remembered was the failed direct attack against the space elevator.
By the time the anti Gruntal punitive force was assembled, most of Gruntal's secret data and equipment was removed from their main base in the Night Labyrinth and moves to secondary hidden bases that were never found.
Core personnel were also given evacuation orders, however in order to create a more convincing illusion of Gruntals destruction the MBV ordered the freshly resurrected necro-Gelda to execute them while in transit and return their bodies to the main base.
About a fifth of Gruntal's forces were resurrected as necrosoldiers.
Due to the 13'th Orakel the MBV put great effort into trying to retrieve Erica's and Yoko's corpses from the battle debris in Ketheres, Erika was found, Yoko obviously wasn't.
During Erika's first resurrection as a necrosoldier her memories were left intact, she ended up in an extremely unstable state and was therefor terminated and resurrected again with reducted memories.
During her first short resurrection Erika revealed that Yoko should have safely crash landed on the Earths surface.
Due to tightening security around the orbital elevator and within the Orbitary Unions space, sending a search party to retrieve Yoko was unfeasible and so the MBV concluded that the 13'th Orakel was still in motion and that when the time is right Yoko would resurface on her own...

[EricaFan]

Queen Limeira:

Spoiler:

Impostor Alita managed to get close to queen Limeira because Mars Kingdom has bad security and queen Limeira acts on the emotional
I can't say much about M.K. security but as for Limeira, oh kind, merciful, emotional, beneficent queen Limeira who is so nice, so very very nice that it feels entirely false.
If you look at Limeira from a slightly different angle you will see that she is as rational, cold and calculating as they come:

1.1. On her very first appearance in the story (to be more precise the 2nd and 3rd page's were she is shown) her dialog is pure sarcasm, and the last panel on the 3rd page suggests that she usually plans and carefully considers every single word she says.
1.2. Then the ventriloquism thing, without greeting, acknowledging or even looking at the other ambassadors, she starts off with a private joke and it is only her servant that first addresses them directly, all that done in a friendly and polite tone but without a hint of apology, is essence, a subtle but direct insult meant to convey that she is queen and they are nothing more than vulgar peasants that are beneath her.
This sort of attitude is of course foolish if her goal is to gain the recognition and support from the R.V. and J.S.U., however, it makes perfect sense if her actual goal is to send Mbadi the message that she needs no one other than himself.
1.3. Which is reinforced by the next sequence which is to a great extent a romantic date between Limeira and Mbadi, at the end of which Mbadi seems to completely open up to her, and looking at his emotional state at the end their date, quite possibly fall for her right there and then.
1.4. Now making the most powerfull guy in the neighborhood and from a certain perspective also your boss fall madly in love with you is already a fairly rational thing to do, but, there is more to it than just that.
1.5. With his body hacking and constant accompaniment of N.O. guards he is essentially impervious to assassination. With his cyberspace supremacy and lack of any personal relations he is essentially immune impervious to blackmail and extortion. He does seem to take bribes, but with the huge amount of bribes he's getting they aren't really going to do that much good. So if your actual goal is to control or get rid of him what is the most viable weakness to exploit? It's the fact that while believing himself to be an absolute pillar of logic, he is in fact very prone to being ruled by his emotions.
1.6. Exploiting this weakness is probably half of the reason for Limeira's existence.

2. Then we come to Limeira recklessly charging into the fight between Alita and Zazie, except there's nothing reckless about it.
2.1. Since Zazie was going to investigate a potentially hazardous situation, it would make sense that her suits comlink was set to auto broadcast and thus Limeira would have heard everything that went on.
2.2. And what went on is that as the fight went on an unknown attacker has manged to outmaneuver Zazie to the point that Zazie saw no choice but to self-destruct in order to take out the attacker with her, however, there was no guarantee that it would actually work and that the attacker won't manage to survive.
2.3. Also, Zazie's initial declaration was that she has caught some stowaways, plural, so as far as Limeira knew there might have been a whole squad of P.K. assassins in the ships cargo hold, so even if Zazie managed to sacrifice herself to take out one of them, the other potential assassins would still likely be able to kill everyone on board.
2.4. Consequentially the last possible moment when Zazie managed to gain a momentary advantage before completely losing was the best time to start trying to negotiate.
2.5. And then starting the buildup towards recruiting the unknown P.K. warrior to for M.K. it is fairly reasonable to assume that Lovely Limeira invited Alita and CO. for tea and cake and then chatted them up and learned a lot about their goals, agendas, personalities and motives.

3. Limeira charitably buys off a platoon of orphans, but is there any actual charity involved?
3.1. What exactly would have happened to the kids if they would have stayed alive and got to Mars, Zazie herself started in one of Leviathan1's Juvenile Infantry Schools, after spending a bit of time with Limeira wouldn't they have decided that they will give their heart and soul for their beneficent savior queen thus ended up becoming M.K. soldiers like Zazie.
3.2. And even if buying the orphans was a net loss in and of itself, wouldn't making Alita feel indebted contribute to the long term goal of recruiting her and thus count as a worthwhile investment.
3.3. And then moving to the darker side of things, wasn't it convenient that the kids died and saved Limeira the trouble of having to transport them to Mars, and again considering that Zazie also started out in a J.I.S. wouldn't it be possible that M.K. actually had backroom dealings with Leviathan1's J.I.S.s and would thus be able to ask for re-compensation at a later time?
3.4. And moving to an even darker side of things, isn't it also very convenient that the kid that caused the whole situation died without giving the slightest bit of explanation as to why he stole Limeira's teddy-bear and then gave it to Alita.
3.5. And then to top it all off, this entire affair gives Zazie and Alita some bonding time, which again contributes for the goal of recruiting Alita.

4. Limeira encourages Zazie to go to the Z.O.T.T. and ask Alita to cure her.
4.1. Is there even any need to say anything, what was the alternative, have Zazie do two or three weeks more of guard duty while counting the seconds until her head explodes?
4.2. And yet there's more to it than that. As far as Limeira knew, Alita's goal at that time was to rescue her friend from the incubator and then go back to the scrapyard find her lover and friends and start a farm on Earth. As such, making her learn that there were still other living P.K. practitioners of Mars could then serve to give Alita the interest to visit Mars sooner rather than later.
4.3. And then the darkness in Lemeira's shadow keeps once you consider, that, not only was it "fortunate" that it was Erika and not some other Kunstler einherjar that was responsible for operating in the area were Zazie went, but also, that circumstances allowed Erika enough time to play with Zazie for the whole "Yoko is alive" issue to come up.

5. And then we come to the assassination attempt.
5.1. Once you consider that Lemeira is very far from being ruled by the "emotional", then putting aside security considerations, wouldn't it have made sense for Leimira to stall "Alita" a little in order to clear up a sizeable portion of her schedule and then invite "Alita" to join her on a tour around the trade habitat and use the opportunity to chat up Alita again and also try to recruit her.
5.2. More importantly than that though if the goal was to secretly turn Lemeira into a necrosoldier, wouldn't an inconspicuous accident be a better choice that an open assassination attempt?
5.3. And why use an Alita impostor for the assassination, with access to einjerhar kunstler's it seems unlikely that this was the only way to get close to Leimira, and there would also be no telling if and when Alita actually learn about the assassination and it would also be uncertain that she did it would make her come rather than stay away from mars.
5.4. Instead, looking at things from a different direction, for anyone who knew of Alita's real goal during the ZOTT, rescuing her friend from LADDERS high security incubator, would there be any doubt that once she learns that her dearest childhood friend was turned into a mind controlled zombie, she would try to find a cure? And after finding the cure and discovering that aside from her childhood friend most of her past comrades and the benevolent queen of Mars to whom she owes so much are also under the same affliction, would she not make both the sickness and the cure public and fight to to return all necrosoldiers to normal.
5.5. The Champion of the ZOTT, the Hero that overthrew Ladder, now saves the Benevolent Queen of Peace as well as Mars's noble and heroic Panzer knights who's name has been unjustly stained for so long .. that would be quite something, right?
5.6. However, in interim between becoming a mind controlled zombie and being cured the great hero of the ZOTT, wouldn't Leimira have the leeway to do something that she normally wouldn't be able to do under the image of the wise and beneficent queen of peace: To quickly and ruthlessly crush all the remaining strongholds that oppose to her rule?
5.7. But that leaves a crucial problem: the scapegoat, someone that is hidden and not well liked but that has left enough footprints behind to be vilified, connected and framed for most of the worst parts of the history of space colonization, someone like .. a vampire..
A centuries old loathsome undead abomination that lived and prospered even as humanity nearly went extinct, a cruel butcher that terrorized the legendary Star City just as humanity was preparing to take it's first steps into space, a cunning thief that stole the Fata Morgana and used it to subvert Malchizedek to her will, a devious puppeter that tricked the noble Kunstlers into committing the greatest act of terror in recorded history and then arranging for their destruction used her vile undead arts to turn them into mindcontrolled zombies, a corrupter that transformed the saintly and chivalrous Mbadi into a heartless tyrant, A monster that under the pretense of running an orphanage turned innocent children into assassins and spies, for wasn't it one of her student's that started the starship cult that used foul vampiric charm to abduct maidens from all across the solar system, wasn't it in one of her students territory that Limeira was turned into a necrosoldier, and wasn't it ever since her own private forces joined the battle that the that her mind controled kunstler troops disappeared from the field of battle? and so on and so forth ...

Dasein's, the MBV's plans run far and deep in both time and space, much further and deeper than Caerula understands.
Limeira is an agent of the MBV, the queen of peace that would unify Mars, her appearance was in one of the 13 orakel's that the MBV revealed to the nobles, a misinterpretation of that orakel is what caused Ninon to believe that she was the destined queen.
The 13'th orakel marking Yoko as the harbinger of change was the last.
Erika's orakel was the first, the shepherd girl: the one that protects the helpless innocent lamb: Yoko, her finding of Mars's hidden treasure would signify the beginning of the orakel's fulfillment her finding happiness would signify the end...

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Spoiler:

The magic of the Jinn of Mars is probably nanomachine technology.
The Jinn of Mars itself is probably a teraforming mechanism that the Original Mars Settlers created with the long term goal of acttually teraforming Mars (rather than just incasing it in a planetwide biodome).

The association between Gruntal and the MBV was there from the very start, Tiger Suer did dirty jobs for the MBV and the MBV provided him with cybernetics that were decades ahead of what was available anywhere else which allowed him to start developing advanced cyborg specific martial arts while everybody else were busy trying to figure out how to use their rudimentary cybernetics to dig potatoes.

The MBV are the leftovers/continuation of the OMS, they reproduce asexually like hydras, unlike the other QBS their Saule network is closer to being a gestalt.

The Iris Methos ( the causative agent for the headshaped tumor's ) is an early version of the OMS reproduction mechanism, they needed it because their starting population was too small, but they quickly developed the tech to give themselves cyborg bodies.

P.S.

Spoiler:

I'm a troll that likes talking to walls .. they listen .. they really do ... and they know .. I know that they know .. but they never tell .. they never ever tell
I'll probably make a few more rant posts and then leave, sorry for the bother.
That is all.. for now.. BWAHAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAH MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA..

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Unye is the true inventor of "real" Panzer Kunst. Obviously those opinions were meant as joke, after all we already see Gelda use R.P.K. before.
However, like Keun said "The fact that a fighting style is not known is an advantage, right?".
The reason the Dejah Thoris liberation looked like a circus performance was probably because that's exactly what it was meant to be: A publicity stunt made in front of a large audience (the town's entire population) that would be most likely recorded, broadcast all across mars and analyzed by their enemies frame by frame to try and deduce the secrets of the P.K. .
In "serious" Gruntal operations were R.P.K. is used, the standard M.O. is probably to leave behind no witnesses or recordings.
That is probably why Keun is being questioned right off the bat if he was responsible for killing half of the soldier in the public square: to chide him for using R.P.K. in the open, and, to suggest that if all he wanted was to remove enemy presence from the town, he should have requested for a few elite Kunstlers to come in the dead of night and massacre everybody with stolen shoelaces instead of a large detachment of their forces coming in broad daylight to make a sparkly show of force that would afterwards incur the cost and headache of dealing with P.O.W.'s and equipment retrieval.

As for Unye:
1. In log 40 there is a short exchange between Erica and the TGIV girl about how does it feel to be controlled and the TGIV girl essentially describes it as an O.B.E. thing, this seems a rather clear indication that Unye also underwent TGIV treatment or something similar to it.
2. Before that in log 39, Something about Unye seems to remind Keun about his dead girlfriend Wami, and while eavesdropping on Keun's story about Wami's mysterious death she feels pain and sadness that she can't understand, also she is unsure as to why she stole the NNN diary, and in addition to all that her fighting style essentially is R.P.K., all this seems to suggest that Mr or rather Mrs fairy is actually Wami's "ghost".
3. Also Unye being able to see what's going on in the TGIV modification room after her body left it coupled with Ngala later on mentioning how he watched the surveillance footage of her performance seems to indicate that in fairy mode she has the ability to remotely hack into and view surveillance systems.
4. Also in log 40 Unye mentions that she wants to be a spaceship navigation officer like her parents, which suggests that her parents were part of the original crew of the Dejah Thoris and that Unye is thus a Dejah Thoris native.

How to connect all that I'm not sure.
Also, Wami had acrophobia whereas Unye seems to really like jumping from high places, this seems like a contradiction, but maybe in the last few seconds of her life the terror of plunging to her death has pushed Wami's fear of heights beyond the limit of rationality and made her enjoy the feeling of falling from a great height instead .. or something like that..

P.S.
I'm a troll that likes talking to itself, I'll probably make a few more rant posts and then leave, sorry for the bother.

I agree with Wami's ghost as a possibility or another possibility of some sci fi trope of wami's personality and memory being input into Unye somehow(as it is something I seen before). The TGIV tinkering with her that I am doubtful as there is no scar on her head or bandages of any kind as you see the kids having those. That is another good theory of Unye of having some history with dejah thoris, but there is also another strange thing of how Unye can fight so impressively even when she is unye.

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Wouldn't it be convenient to keep links to previous speculation threads that are still relevant in the O.P. like this one:
Who is Dasein?


In the end of BAA:LO Jupitan and Melchizedek ally to form the quantum convergence and make Alita their agent, also Caerula is kind of on their side as well.. don't you think this is a bit overpowered? Wouldn't there need to be an opponent on the same level to make things interesting?

The first few posts in Who is Dasein point out preisterin Mui as a very likely candidate, in log 10 her interactions with Caerula have a bit of a mocking and challenging vibe to them so I think it's likely that she is Caerula's target/oponent, but, against the Arthur+Jupi combo there would be a need for something more : the Saule network.
ES 50: The first two Quantum Brain Simulators: Pendragon and then it's successor Merlin are built under military oversight.
ES 54: Merlin predicts the Geo Catastrophe, is ignored, the Q.B.S. research team breaks up.
ES 55: The Geo Catastrophe happens and Q.B.S. development stops/slows to a crawl for at least 80 years.
Or does it?
ES 53: First emigration to Mars.
Would it be too farfetched to presume that rather than ignoring Merlin's predictions, some of power factions at the time concluded that there was no way to prevent the meteor impact and thus chose to move to Mars taking the Q.B.S. tech with them.
ES 218: Orbital elevator is complete and space colonization starts.
ES 235: Construction of full scale colony on Mars begins.
ES 253: Mars Great King Elfriede signs the Baldachin Non-Aggression Treaty with the MBV.
And here is the big question: Are the MBV a product of the new migration that started in ES 218, or, are they the product of the original emigration way back from ES 53?
Because if it's the later and if the Saule Network is a Q.B.S. that has been running and quietly spreading it's influence for all this time, that could be a power that could go toe to toe with the Arthur+Jupi combo.

I assume the Saule Network seems to have mass surveillance system going on as she mentions that they record everything going in at Mars. So those three eye birds we witness could relate to them and the flashback we are seeing could be an archive that are recorded by them(given they have advance technology could pull of it), but they seem to value being a neutral party due to some politics of some kind such as a treaty.

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With the "next time we meet I'll kill you" declaration happening right before the sortie of operation maulwurf when did Alita have time to kill Erica?

A simple and boring answer is that Jupi provided Alita with detailed recordings of Gruntal's destruction and identifying Erica among the corpses Alita concludes that since the destruction was caused by her screw-up, she is therefor responsible for Erica's death.
However, aside from being boring, there are a few things about this that feel a bit off:
At the beginning of BAA:LO Nova says that Alita now has the memories that were previously blocked, which can be understood as memories that she suppressed by intent, and it is only after this that she starts remembering about Erica at all.
Even then, the memories that she recalls are only the "good times" when they were training together as kids, at the same time, she keeps on mentioning that she has a deep pain in her heart that she has forgotten, she mentions this even after learning/remembering that she is essentially a mega-mass-murder who is also responsible for Gruntal's destruction and that she no longer posses an organic brain.
This suggests that her memory of killing Erica should be something more profound than just logically concluding that Erica probably died in something that was from a certain point of view might be her responsibility.
Also in the panel depicting her execution there are several atmospheric entry trails and not just one.
And also, if I'm not mistaken, in the original BAA Alita's arrival on Earth was associated with an attack by Mars forces on the orbital elevator.

So my guess(... short fanfic that completely ignores everything that happened in the original BAA and stretches to the extreme what was shown in LO an MC ...) at how things went on is something like this:

After beginning their P.K. training Erica quickly realizes that the majority of Gruntal's forces are just cannon fodder clowns and if she wants to survive and protect Yoko she needs to make it to the top of Gruntal's food chain. Consequentially she pushes herself to the limit and remembering the times that they got separated and the times that Yoko had to act on her own she keeps Yoko as her permanent sparring partner and pushes her to the limit as well.
On the darker side of things, despite Muster's best efforts, Erica is not inherently evil, Yoko's innocence and the belief that everything she does is for the sake of Yoko's happiness and well-being is like a drug that allows Erica to cope with how wretched and rotten her own existence is. Consequentially, behind Yoko's back, Erica does everything she can to crash not only anyone who tries to mistreat or bully Yoko but also any whom she perceives as trying to take Yoko away from her.
As a result Erica and Yoko become a team and start breaking records, quickly advancing through the ranks and becoming the most celebrated up and coming Kunstler Elites.

Like Tzykrow, most people around them assume that Erica is a genius overachiever and that Yoko is nothing more than a useless crybaby that Erica uses as her punching and pet toy.
The only two people who realize the reality of the relationship between Yoko and Erica are Gelgt and Gelda.
Gelgt is entirely happy with the situation, believing that before too long Yoko and Erica would become Gruntal's strongest weapons and that by exploiting Erica's psychological dependence on Yoko and Yoko's mindless following of Erica he would be able to perfectly control them.
Gelda believes that the situation between them is dangerous and unhealthy and keeps warning Gelgt that the sharper the blade the easier it breaks, that the balance between them is far more fragile than it seems and that what he's going to end with is a pair of shattered wrecks.
Gelgt keeps their training as intense as he can and before too long starts sending them on the most dangerous missions that he thinks they can handle.
Gelda while maintaining a training routine to satisfy Gelgt tries to do what she can to make Yoko more independent and Erika more trusting towards the people around her.
Yoko gets closer to Gelda in whom she sees a mother figure, Erica gets closer a provider of the power that she needs to protect Yoko.

Secretly, behind the scenes and in the background, Gelgt is working for the MBV and as the basic necrosoldier treatment nears completion, the MBV starts pressuring Gelgt to covert the entirety of Gruntal into necrosoldiers. Despite being generally an efficiency over emotions type of person he finds the idea distasteful and keeps stalling.

By the time operation Maulwurf is commissioned, as a team Erica and Yoko are among Gruntal elites and the initial plans for the operations involve the two of them being the corner stone of the operation.
Gelda disliking the operation as a whole and stating openly that it is a clear act of terrorism that would greatly stain Gruntal's reputation, is vehemently opposed to involving Erica and Yoke in it at all, let alone making them the center of it, claiming that it would turn them into monsters that Gruntal won't be able to control.
Gelgt believing that this operation is crucial for Gruntal's growth and future starts seeing Gelda as a decisive factor and a bother and decided to kill three birds with one stone by submitting Gelda to the necrosoldier procedure: To take Gelda out of the picture until the operation completes, to appease the MBV by performing the operation on one of Gruntal's top elites, and, to use the Gelda to gauge if the necrosoldier control mechanism really is just a harmless safety switch like the MBV claim it to be and that otherwise the procedure is nothing more or less than a way to bring dead kunstlers back to life, or, if the control mechanism is actually something the MBV intend to use to turn all of Gruntal into mindless obidient zombies.

To "prepare" Gelda for the treatment, Gelgt inflames Erica's paranoid feelings that Gelda is trying to separate her from Yoko and then orders her to sabotage a mission that she, Yoko and Gelda are going to carry together in a manner that would result in Gelda's death.
This little scheme ends up having two consequences that Gelgt failed to expect, a mildly beneficial one, and a completely disastrous one:
The mildly beneficial consequence is that seeing Gelda, a pillar of strength that Yoko believed to be unbreakable and unbeatable, die in front of her eyes, makes Yoko start "waking up" and start seeing rather than merely watching how fragile and cruel the world around her is, which in turn makes her redouble her training.
The completely disastrous one is that believing that Gelda's death was a result of her own weakness, Yoko start being afraid that she is a burden and a bother to the other person on whom she has been leaning all her life - Erika, as a result Yoko starts distancing herself from Erika, in turn, like Gelda predicted from the very start, this sudden rejection starts breaking Erika's psychological equilibrium.

As the preparations for operation Maulwurf progress the teamwork between Erica and Yoko falls apart and Erica starts being more and more erratic and unstable.
Seeing Erika's deteriorating mental state Gelgt decides to take her off the operation and starts looking for someone else to replace her as Yoko's partner.
Humiliated, unwilling to accept the thought of Yoko being able to survive without her and being terrified of losing Yoko forever, Erika confronts Yoko and demands that she should resign from the operation as well.
The two of them start arguing and Erika reveals that she is the one responsible for Gelda's death as well as for everyone keeping their distance from Yoko.
Yoko denounces Erika as an abominable demon and declares that she wished she had blown up in the mine field rather than met her.
Erika flips and beats Yoko half to death, Yoko declares that Erika is nothing more than a wild animal and that after she returns from carrying out operation Maulwurf on her own she is going to put her down.
Erika suffers a complete nervous breakdown and wonders through the halls in fits of hysterical laughter. Gelgt locks her up in detention and goes to talk with Yoko.

Being afraid of completely losing Erika, Gelgt asks Yoko to try and patch things up between them.
Yoko replies that Erika is a weakling just like Gelda was and that they she doesn't need anyone else and can carry out the operation perfectly on her own.
Gelgt realizes that having rejected both Erica and Gelda, Yoko is now probably on the verge of breakdown too, cursing himself for not having headed Gelda's warnings he never-the-less decides that it is now too late to change or delay the operation and that at least in her current state Yoko should indeed be able to carry the operation on her own.
Unfortunately Caerula, an overwhelming enemy factor that Gelgt didn't and couldn't know about happens.

As Triniad isn't around yet, the MBV have a fairly high level of infiltration into Ketheres and thus Gelgt almost immediately discovers about Yoko's failure.
Realizing that the Jupiter Union will most likely disavow and try to destroy Gruntal in order to hide it's own involvement and that the MBV will use that as a pretext to turn all of Gruntal into necrosoldiers, Gelgt decides to take a last ditch gambit to try and salvage the situation by releasing Erika and tasking her with rescuing Yoko and sinking the Orbital Elevator, hoping that the goal of rescuing Yoko would allow Erika to pull herself together and that sinking the O.E. will break or weaken the Orbitary union to the point that the Jupiter Union would see it more beneficial to press it's offensive instead of falling back and trying to play nice.

Initially this works out perfectly, with the promise of using the chaos resultant from the Camlan disaster to carry a lucrative raiding operation on Ketheres, Erika manages to quickly put together a fleet of pirates, mercenaries and other ne'er-do-wells, slip through Orbitary Union forces and arrive just in time to rescue Yoko from her execution.
However, once Yoko is rescued, she and Erika start arguing again and losing focus, Erika messes the timing for the rest of the operation allowing the Orbitary Union to call for reinforcements.
Realizing that there is no longer a chance for victory or escape, Erika shoves Yoko into an escape pod, launches her through the battle debris on a safe atmospheric entry trajectory and rallies the rest of her forces with a false promise of escape in order to distract the Orbitary Union forces and prevent them from noticing Yoko's escape pod descending to earth.

As she falls through the atmosphere, Yoko sees Erika's ship blown to smithereens, during the weeks that follow, as she lies in a pile of junk and her brain starts entering into auto-hibernation mode, Yoko blames herself for Erika's death and now feeling truly and genuinely alone she switches from blaming Erika for her own misery and troubles to blaming herself for all of Erika's misery and troubles, sinking into depression and despair, she starts wishes she never existed in the first place.

Aftermath:
Since the Orbitary Union kept most of the details about the Camlann tragedy secret, what the dwellers on the surface noticed and remembered was the failed direct attack against the space elevator.
By the time the anti Gruntal punitive force was assembled, most of Gruntal's secret data and equipment was removed from their main base in the Night Labyrinth and moves to secondary hidden bases that were never found.
Core personnel were also given evacuation orders, however in order to create a more convincing illusion of Gruntals destruction the MBV ordered the freshly resurrected necro-Gelda to execute them while in transit and return their bodies to the main base.
About a fifth of Gruntal's forces were resurrected as necrosoldiers.
Due to the 13'th Orakel the MBV put great effort into trying to retrieve Erica's and Yoko's corpses from the battle debris in Ketheres, Erika was found, Yoko obviously wasn't.
During Erika's first resurrection as a necrosoldier her memories were left intact, she ended up in an extremely unstable state and was therefor terminated and resurrected again with reducted memories.
During her first short resurrection Erika revealed that Yoko should have safely crash landed on the Earths surface.
Due to tightening security around the orbital elevator and within the Orbitary Unions space, sending a search party to retrieve Yoko was unfeasible and so the MBV concluded that the 13'th Orakel was still in motion and that when the time is right Yoko would resurface on her own...



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I like talking to walls .. they listen .. they really do ... and they know .. I know that they know .. but they never tell .. they never ever tell

Ok reading these theories has helped me reignite my interest of the series again. I just hope what Kishiro is as good as this if not at least better works. Mars Chronicles is more of a series that I would call that you have to put in the effort to enjoy kind of series( as it relies on us to put things together and speculate a bit) not like other series where the author puts the effort to help viewers enjoy the series.

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Impostor Alita managed to get close to queen Limeira because Mars Kingdom has bad security and queen Limeira acts on the emotional
I can't say much about M.K. security but as for Limeira, oh kind, merciful, emotional, beneficent queen Limeira who is so nice, so very very nice that it feels entirely false.
If you look at Limeira from a slightly different angle you will see that she is as rational, cold and calculating as they come:

1.1. On her very first appearance in the story (to be more precise the 2nd and 3rd page's were she is shown) her dialog is pure sarcasm, and the last panel on the 3rd page suggests that she usually plans and carefully considers every single word she says.
1.2. Then the ventriloquism thing, without greeting, acknowledging or even looking at the other ambassadors, she starts off with a private joke and it is only her servant that first addresses them directly, all that done in a friendly and polite tone but without a hint of apology, is essence, a subtle but direct insult meant to convey that she is queen and they are nothing more than vulgar peasants that are beneath her.
This sort of attitude is of course foolish if her goal is to gain the recognition and support from the R.V. and J.S.U., however, it makes perfect sense if her actual goal is to send Mbadi the message that she needs no one other than himself.
1.3. Which is reinforced by the next sequence which is to a great extent a romantic date between Limeira and Mbadi, at the end of which Mbadi seems to completely open up to her, and looking at his emotional state at the end their date, quite possibly fall for her right there and then.
1.4. Now making the most powerfull guy in the neighborhood and from a certain perspective also your boss fall madly in love with you is already a fairly rational thing to do, but, there is more to it than just that.
1.5. With his body hacking and constant accompaniment of N.O. guards he is essentially impervious to assassination. With his cyberspace supremacy and lack of any personal relations he is essentially immune impervious to blackmail and extortion. He does seem to take bribes, but with the huge amount of bribes he's getting they aren't really going to do that much good. So if your actual goal is to control or get rid of him what is the most viable weakness to exploit? It's the fact that while believing himself to be an absolute pillar of logic, he is in fact very prone to being ruled by his emotions.
1.6. Exploiting this weakness is probably half of the reason for Limeira's existence.

2. Then we come to Limeira recklessly charging into the fight between Alita and Zazie, except there's nothing reckless about it.
2.1. Since Zazie was going to investigate a potentially hazardous situation, it would make sense that her suits comlink was set to auto broadcast and thus Limeira would have heard everything that went on.
2.2. And what went on is that as the fight went on an unknown attacker has manged to outmaneuver Zazie to the point that Zazie saw no choice but to self-destruct in order to take out the attacker with her, however, there was no guarantee that it would actually work and that the attacker won't manage to survive.
2.3. Also, Zazie's initial declaration was that she has caught some stowaways, plural, so as far as Limeira knew there might have been a whole squad of P.K. assassins in the ships cargo hold, so even if Zazie managed to sacrifice herself to take out one of them, the other potential assassins would still likely be able to kill everyone on board.
2.4. Consequentially the last possible moment when Zazie managed to gain a momentary advantage before completely losing was the best time to start trying to negotiate.
2.5. And then starting the buildup towards recruiting the unknown P.K. warrior to for M.K. it is fairly reasonable to assume that Lovely Limeira invited Alita and CO. for tea and cake and then chatted them up and learned a lot about their goals, agendas, personalities and motives.

3. Limeira charitably buys off a platoon of orphans, but is there any actual charity involved?
3.1. What exactly would have happened to the kids if they would have stayed alive and got to Mars, Zazie herself started in one of Leviathan1's Juvenile Infantry Schools, after spending a bit of time with Limeira wouldn't they have decided that they will give their heart and soul for their beneficent savior queen thus ended up becoming M.K. soldiers like Zazie.
3.2. And even if buying the orphans was a net loss in and of itself, wouldn't making Alita feel indebted contribute to the long term goal of recruiting her and thus count as a worthwhile investment.
3.3. And then moving to the darker side of things, wasn't it convenient that the kids died and saved Limeira the trouble of having to transport them to Mars, and again considering that Zazie also started out in a J.I.S. wouldn't it be possible that M.K. actually had backroom dealings with Leviathan1's J.I.S.s and would thus be able to ask for re-compensation at a later time?
3.4. And moving to an even darker side of things, isn't it also very convenient that the kid that caused the whole situation died without giving the slightest bit of explanation as to why he stole Limeira's teddy-bear and then gave it to Alita.
3.5. And then to top it all off, this entire affair gives Zazie and Alita some bonding time, which again contributes for the goal of recruiting Alita.

4. Limeira encourages Zazie to go to the Z.O.T.T. and ask Alita to cure her.
4.1. Is there even any need to say anything, what was the alternative, have Zazie do two or three weeks more of guard duty while counting the seconds until her head explodes?
4.2. And yet there's more to it than that. As far as Limeira knew, Alita's goal at that time was to rescue her friend from the incubator and then go back to the scrapyard find her lover and friends and start a farm on Earth. As such, making her learn that there were still other living P.K. practitioners of Mars could then serve to give Alita the interest to visit Mars sooner rather than later.
4.3. And then the darkness in Lemeira's shadow keeps once you consider, that, not only was it "fortunate" that it was Erika and not some other Kunstler einherjar that was responsible for operating in the area were Zazie went, but also, that circumstances allowed Erika enough time to play with Zazie for the whole "Yoko is alive" issue to come up.

5. And then we come to the assassination attempt.
5.1. Once you consider that Lemeira is very far from being ruled by the "emotional", then putting aside security considerations, wouldn't it have made sense for Leimira to stall "Alita" a little in order to clear up a sizeable portion of her schedule and then invite "Alita" to join her on a tour around the trade habitat and use the opportunity to chat up Alita again and also try to recruit her.
5.2. More importantly than that though if the goal was to secretly turn Lemeira into a necrosoldier, wouldn't an inconspicuous accident be a better choice that an open assassination attempt?
5.3. And why use an Alita impostor for the assassination, with access to einjerhar kunstler's it seems unlikely that this was the only way to get close to Leimira, and there would also be no telling if and when Alita actually learn about the assassination and it would also be uncertain that she did it would make her come rather than stay away from mars.
5.4. Instead, looking at things from a different direction, for anyone who knew of Alita's real goal during the ZOTT, rescuing her friend from LADDERS high security incubator, would there be any doubt that once she learns that her dearest childhood friend was turned into a mind controlled zombie, she would try to find a cure? And after finding the cure and discovering that aside from her childhood friend most of her past comrades and the benevolent queen of Mars to whom she owes so much are also under the same affliction, would she not make both the sickness and the cure public and fight to to return all necrosoldiers to normal.
5.5. The Champion of the ZOTT, the Hero that overthrew Ladder, now saves the Benevolent Queen of Peace as well as Mars's noble and heroic Panzer knights who's name has been unjustly stained for so long .. that would be quite something, right?
5.6. However, in interim between becoming a mind controlled zombie and being cured the great hero of the ZOTT, wouldn't Leimira have the leeway to do something that she normally wouldn't be able to do under the image of the wise and beneficent queen of peace: To quickly and ruthlessly crush all the remaining strongholds that oppose to her rule?
5.7. But that leaves a crucial problem: the scapegoat, someone that is hidden and not well liked but that has left enough footprints behind to be vilified, connected and framed for most of the worst parts of the history of space colonization, someone like .. a vampire..
A centuries old loathsome undead abomination that lived and prospered even as humanity nearly went extinct, a cruel butcher that terrorized the legendary Star City just as humanity was preparing to take it's first steps into space, a cunning thief that stole the Fata Morgana and used it to subvert Malchizedek to her will, a devious puppeter that tricked the noble Kunstlers into committing the greatest act of terror in recorded history and then arranging for their destruction used her vile undead arts to turn them into mindcontrolled zombies, a corrupter that transformed the saintly and chivalrous Mbadi into a heartless tyrant, A monster that under the pretense of running an orphanage turned innocent children into assassins and spies, for wasn't it one of her student's that started the starship cult that used foul vampiric charm to abduct maidens from all across the solar system, wasn't it in one of her students territory that Limeira was turned into a necrosoldier, and wasn't it ever since her own private forces joined the battle that the that her mind controled kunstler troops disappeared from the field of battle? and so on and so forth ...

Dasein's, the MBV's plans run far and deep in both time and space, much further and deeper than Caerula understands.
Limeira is an agent of the MBV, the queen of peace that would unify Mars, her appearance was in one of the 13 orakel's that the MBV revealed to the nobles, a misinterpretation of that orakel is what caused Ninon to believe that she was the destined queen.
The 13'th orakel marking Yoko as the harbinger of change was the last.
Erika's orakel was the first, the shepherd girl: the one that protects the helpless innocent lamb: Yoko, her finding of Mars's hidden treasure would signify the beginning of the orakel's fulfillment her finding happiness would signify the end...

Extra notes:

The magic of the Jinn of Mars is probably nanomachine technology.
The Jinn of Mars itself is probably a teraforming mechanism that the Original Mars Settlers created with the long term goal of acttually teraforming Mars (rather than just incasing it in a planetwide biodome).

The association between Gruntal and the MBV was there from the very start, Tiger Suer did dirty jobs for the MBV and the MBV provided him with cybernetics that were decades ahead of what was available anywhere else which allowed him to start developing advanced cyborg specific martial arts while everybody else were busy trying to figure out how to use their rudimentary cybernetics to dig potatoes.

The MBV are the leftovers/continuation of the OMS, they reproduce asexually like hydras, unlike the other QBS their Saule network is closer to being a gestalt.

The Iris Methos ( the causative agent for the headshaped tumor's ) is an early version of the OMS reproduction mechanism, they needed it because their starting population was too small, but they quickly developed the tech to give themselves cyborg bodies.


P.S.

That is all .. hopefully.. BWAHAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAH MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA..

A little iffy on this one most of it I might consider overreaching, but an interesting read nevertheless, if the mbv does do secret deals then I wouldn't call them a neutral party at this point but we'll see. Because it is known they recorded many key events within Mars(maybe a dark commentary of people living in a dystopian key surveillance state) that means if they do work with someone they have a strong archive of knowledge with those recordings.

[Martin]

I bet Alita was "Evil", more radical that Erica which is why she went on the Camlam tragedy mission and Erica attacked her to not do it.

The original deleted book made her ... basically a nazi following orders. I think the Camlan rewrite was a desire to take it up a notch but it is also very sterile in spite of her torturous capture/trial and execution. We are going to get some gnarly Alita the war criminal. The original book has her attacking children's shelters on the moon.

I also think gynoid Alita (I don't like that term...brain bio chip Alita) is the real Alita overall and recreate Alita is ... unknown when her memory starts...Venus tech is not Desty Nova tech so safe to say her brain stopped getting input in Last Order Book 1. That means brain chip Alita has more published at this point.

[Martin]

I think the head tumors were a failed attempt at some kind of bio weapon creation system...brain tumors plus socket soldier bodies.

Her brain has a special nanotech ability to absorb shocks according to Desty Nova in book 1. Hard to say yet that it isn't a standard Panzer Kunst modification, but if it is special to her tumor origin, leads a note to the weaponization concept. ...infect dieing soldiers and they pass on their knowledge as the goal....maybe she has Munster's sister's memories locked away in there.

[EricaFan]

00_unit, hi, because my own posts were too long, I scrolled down too quickly and didn't notice that you replied to all of them and not only to the last one, sorry. I reformatted my post/s with spoiler tags to reduce visual clatter a bit, if it's not too much of a bother, could you maybe do the same for the answers, sorry.

Unye and Panzer Kunst:

Spoiler:

Unye is the true inventor of "real" Panzer Kunst. Obviously those opinions were meant as joke, after all we already see Gelda use R.P.K. before.
However, like Keun said "The fact that a fighting style is not known is an advantage, right?".
The reason the Dejah Thoris liberation looked like a circus performance was probably because that's exactly what it was meant to be: A publicity stunt made in front of a large audience (the town's entire population) that would be most likely recorded, broadcast all across mars and analyzed by their enemies frame by frame to try and deduce the secrets of the P.K. .
In "serious" Gruntal operations were R.P.K. is used, the standard M.O. is probably to leave behind no witnesses or recordings.
That is probably why Keun is being questioned right off the bat if he was responsible for killing half of the soldier in the public square: to chide him for using R.P.K. in the open, and, to suggest that if all he wanted was to remove enemy presence from the town, he should have requested for a few elite Kunstlers to come in the dead of night and massacre everybody with stolen shoelaces instead of a large detachment of their forces coming in broad daylight to make a sparkly show of force that would afterwards incur the cost and headache of dealing with P.O.W.'s and equipment retrieval.

As for Unye:
1. In log 40 there is a short exchange between Erica and the TGIV girl about how does it feel to be controlled and the TGIV girl essentially describes it as an O.B.E. thing, this seems a rather clear indication that Unye also underwent TGIV treatment or something similar to it.
2. Before that in log 39, Something about Unye seems to remind Keun about his dead girlfriend Wami, and while eavesdropping on Keun's story about Wami's mysterious death she feels pain and sadness that she can't understand, also she is unsure as to why she stole the NNN diary, and in addition to all that her fighting style essentially is R.P.K., all this seems to suggest that Mr or rather Mrs fairy is actually Wami's "ghost".
3. Also Unye being able to see what's going on in the TGIV modification room after her body left it coupled with Ngala later on mentioning how he watched the surveillance footage of her performance seems to indicate that in fairy mode she has the ability to remotely hack into and view surveillance systems.
4. Also in log 40 Unye mentions that she wants to be a spaceship navigation officer like her parents, which suggests that her parents were part of the original crew of the Dejah Thoris and that Unye is thus a Dejah Thoris native.

How to connect all that I'm not sure.
Also, Wami had acrophobia whereas Unye seems to really like jumping from high places, this seems like a contradiction, but maybe in the last few seconds of her life the terror of plunging to her death has pushed Wami's fear of heights beyond the limit of rationality and made her enjoy the feeling of falling from a great height instead .. or something like that..

I agree with Wami's ghost as a possibility or another possibility of some sci fi trope of wami's personality and memory being input into Unye somehow(as it is something I seen before). The TGIV tinkering with her that I am doubtful as there is no scar on her head or bandages of any kind as you see the kids having those. That is another good theory of Unye of having some history with dejah thoris, but there is also another strange thing of how Unye can fight so impressively even when she is unye.

A possible explanation for Unye not having a scar is that she underwent the treatment quite some time ago so it healed. As for her being able to fight well even when she is not in fairy mode, as far as I recall, the only time that happed was when she blocked Erika's knife, in which case I think it was like an aborted auto-activation, detecting a lethal threat the fairy mode started activating but with Erika losing her momentum the threat was gone and the fairy mode deactivated, as it only took a split second, Unye just didn't really notice it amongst the excitement of licking Yoko and Erika to her hearts content.

Who is Dasein?

Spoiler:

Another thread that discusses this specific issue: Who is Dasein?

In the end of BAA:LO Jupitan and Melchizedek ally to form the quantum convergence and make Alita their agent, also Caerula is kind of on their side as well.. don't you think this is a bit overpowered? Wouldn't there need to be an opponent on the same level to make things interesting?

The first few posts in the thread mentioned above point out preisterin Mui as a very likely candidate, in log 10 her interactions with Caerula have a bit of a mocking and challenging vibe to them so I think it's likely that she is Caerula's target/oponent, but, against the Arthur+Jupi combo there would be a need for something more: the Saule network.
ES 50: The first two Quantum Brain Simulators: Pendragon and then it's successor Merlin are built under military oversight.
ES 54: Merlin predicts the Geo Catastrophe, is ignored, the Q.B.S. research team breaks up.
ES 55: The Geo Catastrophe happens and Q.B.S. development stops/slows to a crawl for at least 80 years.
Or does it?
ES 53: First emigration to Mars.
Would it be too farfetched to presume that rather than ignoring Merlin's predictions, some of power factions at the time concluded that there was no way to prevent the meteor impact and thus chose to move to Mars taking the Q.B.S. tech with them.
ES 218: Orbital elevator is complete and space colonization starts.
ES 235: Construction of full scale colony on Mars begins.
ES 253: Mars Great King Elfriede signs the Baldachin Non-Aggression Treaty with the MBV.
And here is the big question: Are the MBV a product of the new migration that started in ES 218, or, are they the product of the original emigration way back from ES 53?
Because if it's the later and if the Saule Network is a Q.B.S. that has been running and quietly spreading it's influence for all this time, that could be a power that could go toe to toe with the Arthur+Jupi combo.

I assume the Saule Network seems to have mass surveillance system going on as she mentions that they record everything going in at Mars. So those three eye birds we witness could relate to them and the flashback we are seeing could be an archive that are recorded by them(given they have advance technology could pull of it), but they seem to value being a neutral party due to some politics of some kind such as a treaty.

The four eyed eagle is a question, it feels like something that should belong to Dasein/MBV, but the last time we see it is when Erika is showing that Klauswitz book to Finch the medic while Alita is meeting her fake mom, right afterwards Muster kidnaps Erika and demands that she give him the Klauswitz book. This gives the impression that the four eyed eagle actually belonged to Muster who was using it to keep track of Yoko.

When does Alita kill Erika?

Spoiler:

With the "next time we meet I'll kill you" declaration happening right before the sortie of operation maulwurf when did Alita have time to kill Erica?

A simple and boring answer is that Jupi provided Alita with detailed recordings of Gruntal's destruction and identifying Erica among the corpses Alita concludes that since the destruction was caused by her screw-up, she is therefor responsible for Erica's death.
However, aside from being boring, there are a few things about this that feel a bit off:
At the beginning of BAA:LO Nova says that Alita now has the memories that were previously blocked, which can be understood as memories that she suppressed by intent, and it is only after this that she starts remembering about Erica at all.
Even then, the memories that she recalls are only the "good times" when they were training together as kids, at the same time, she keeps on mentioning that she has a deep pain in her heart that she has forgotten, she mentions this even after learning/remembering that she is essentially a mega-mass-murder who is also responsible for Gruntal's destruction and that she no longer posses an organic brain.
This suggests that her memory of killing Erica should be something more profound than just logically concluding that Erica probably died in something that was from a certain point of view might be her responsibility.
Also in the panel depicting her execution there are several atmospheric entry trails and not just one.
And also, if I'm not mistaken, in the original BAA Alita's arrival on Earth was associated with an attack by Mars forces on the orbital elevator.

So my guess(... short fanfic that completely ignores everything that happened in the original BAA and stretches to the extreme what was shown in LO an MC ...) at how things went on is something like this:

After beginning their P.K. training Erica quickly realizes that the majority of Gruntal's forces are just cannon fodder clowns and if she wants to survive and protect Yoko she needs to make it to the top of Gruntal's food chain. Consequentially she pushes herself to the limit and remembering the times that they got separated and the times that Yoko had to act on her own she keeps Yoko as her permanent sparring partner and pushes her to the limit as well.
On the darker side of things, despite Muster's best efforts, Erica is not inherently evil, Yoko's innocence and the belief that everything she does is for the sake of Yoko's happiness and well-being is like a drug that allows Erica to cope with how wretched and rotten her own existence is. Consequentially, behind Yoko's back, Erica does everything she can to crash not only anyone who tries to mistreat or bully Yoko but also any whom she perceives as trying to take Yoko away from her.
As a result Erica and Yoko become a team and start breaking records, quickly advancing through the ranks and becoming the most celebrated up and coming Kunstler Elites.

Like Tzykrow, most people around them assume that Erica is a genius overachiever and that Yoko is nothing more than a useless crybaby that Erica uses as her punching and pet toy.
The only two people who realize the reality of the relationship between Yoko and Erica are Gelgt and Gelda.
Gelgt is entirely happy with the situation, believing that before too long Yoko and Erica would become Gruntal's strongest weapons and that by exploiting Erica's psychological dependence on Yoko and Yoko's mindless following of Erica he would be able to perfectly control them.
Gelda believes that the situation between them is dangerous and unhealthy and keeps warning Gelgt that the sharper the blade the easier it breaks, that the balance between them is far more fragile than it seems and that what he's going to end with is a pair of shattered wrecks.
Gelgt keeps their training as intense as he can and before too long starts sending them on the most dangerous missions that he thinks they can handle.
Gelda while maintaining a training routine to satisfy Gelgt tries to do what she can to make Yoko more independent and Erika more trusting towards the people around her.
Yoko gets closer to Gelda in whom she sees a mother figure, Erica gets closer a provider of the power that she needs to protect Yoko.

Secretly, behind the scenes and in the background, Gelgt is working for the MBV and as the basic necrosoldier treatment nears completion, the MBV starts pressuring Gelgt to covert the entirety of Gruntal into necrosoldiers. Despite being generally an efficiency over emotions type of person he finds the idea distasteful and keeps stalling.

By the time operation Maulwurf is commissioned, as a team Erica and Yoko are among Gruntal elites and the initial plans for the operations involve the two of them being the corner stone of the operation.
Gelda disliking the operation as a whole and stating openly that it is a clear act of terrorism that would greatly stain Gruntal's reputation, is vehemently opposed to involving Erica and Yoke in it at all, let alone making them the center of it, claiming that it would turn them into monsters that Gruntal won't be able to control.
Gelgt believing that this operation is crucial for Gruntal's growth and future starts seeing Gelda as a decisive factor and a bother and decided to kill three birds with one stone by submitting Gelda to the necrosoldier procedure: To take Gelda out of the picture until the operation completes, to appease the MBV by performing the operation on one of Gruntal's top elites, and, to use the Gelda to gauge if the necrosoldier control mechanism really is just a harmless safety switch like the MBV claim it to be and that otherwise the procedure is nothing more or less than a way to bring dead kunstlers back to life, or, if the control mechanism is actually something the MBV intend to use to turn all of Gruntal into mindless obidient zombies.

To "prepare" Gelda for the treatment, Gelgt inflames Erica's paranoid feelings that Gelda is trying to separate her from Yoko and then orders her to sabotage a mission that she, Yoko and Gelda are going to carry together in a manner that would result in Gelda's death.
This little scheme ends up having two consequences that Gelgt failed to expect, a mildly beneficial one, and a completely disastrous one:
The mildly beneficial consequence is that seeing Gelda, a pillar of strength that Yoko believed to be unbreakable and unbeatable, die in front of her eyes, makes Yoko start "waking up" and start seeing rather than merely watching how fragile and cruel the world around her is, which in turn makes her redouble her training.
The completely disastrous one is that believing that Gelda's death was a result of her own weakness, Yoko start being afraid that she is a burden and a bother to the other person on whom she has been leaning all her life - Erika, as a result Yoko starts distancing herself from Erika, in turn, like Gelda predicted from the very start, this sudden rejection starts breaking Erika's psychological equilibrium.

As the preparations for operation Maulwurf progress the teamwork between Erica and Yoko falls apart and Erica starts being more and more erratic and unstable.
Seeing Erika's deteriorating mental state Gelgt decides to take her off the operation and starts looking for someone else to replace her as Yoko's partner.
Humiliated, unwilling to accept the thought of Yoko being able to survive without her and being terrified of losing Yoko forever, Erika confronts Yoko and demands that she should resign from the operation as well.
The two of them start arguing and Erika reveals that she is the one responsible for Gelda's death as well as for everyone keeping their distance from Yoko.
Yoko denounces Erika as an abominable demon and declares that she wished she had blown up in the mine field rather than met her.
Erika flips and beats Yoko half to death, Yoko declares that Erika is nothing more than a wild animal and that after she returns from carrying out operation Maulwurf on her own she is going to put her down.
Erika suffers a complete nervous breakdown and wonders through the halls in fits of hysterical laughter. Gelgt locks her up in detention and goes to talk with Yoko.

Being afraid of completely losing Erika, Gelgt asks Yoko to try and patch things up between them.
Yoko replies that Erika is a weakling just like Gelda was and that they she doesn't need anyone else and can carry out the operation perfectly on her own.
Gelgt realizes that having rejected both Erica and Gelda, Yoko is now probably on the verge of breakdown too, cursing himself for not having headed Gelda's warnings he never-the-less decides that it is now too late to change or delay the operation and that at least in her current state Yoko should indeed be able to carry the operation on her own.
Unfortunately Caerula, an overwhelming enemy factor that Gelgt didn't and couldn't know about happens.

As Triniad isn't around yet, the MBV have a fairly high level of infiltration into Ketheres and thus Gelgt almost immediately discovers about Yoko's failure.
Realizing that the Jupiter Union will most likely disavow and try to destroy Gruntal in order to hide it's own involvement and that the MBV will use that as a pretext to turn all of Gruntal into necrosoldiers, Gelgt decides to take a last ditch gambit to try and salvage the situation by releasing Erika and tasking her with rescuing Yoko and sinking the Orbital Elevator, hoping that the goal of rescuing Yoko would allow Erika to pull herself together and that sinking the O.E. will break or weaken the Orbitary union to the point that the Jupiter Union would see it more beneficial to press it's offensive instead of falling back and trying to play nice.

Initially this works out perfectly, with the promise of using the chaos resultant from the Camlan disaster to carry a lucrative raiding operation on Ketheres, Erika manages to quickly put together a fleet of pirates, mercenaries and other ne'er-do-wells, slip through Orbitary Union forces and arrive just in time to rescue Yoko from her execution.
However, once Yoko is rescued, she and Erika start arguing again and losing focus, Erika messes the timing for the rest of the operation allowing the Orbitary Union to call for reinforcements.
Realizing that there is no longer a chance for victory or escape, Erika shoves Yoko into an escape pod, launches her through the battle debris on a safe atmospheric entry trajectory and rallies the rest of her forces with a false promise of escape in order to distract the Orbitary Union forces and prevent them from noticing Yoko's escape pod descending to earth.

As she falls through the atmosphere, Yoko sees Erika's ship blown to smithereens, during the weeks that follow, as she lies in a pile of junk and her brain starts entering into auto-hibernation mode, Yoko blames herself for Erika's death and now feeling truly and genuinely alone she switches from blaming Erika for her own misery and troubles to blaming herself for all of Erika's misery and troubles, sinking into depression and despair, she starts wishes she never existed in the first place.

Aftermath:
Since the Orbitary Union kept most of the details about the Camlann tragedy secret, what the dwellers on the surface noticed and remembered was the failed direct attack against the space elevator.
By the time the anti Gruntal punitive force was assembled, most of Gruntal's secret data and equipment was removed from their main base in the Night Labyrinth and moves to secondary hidden bases that were never found.
Core personnel were also given evacuation orders, however in order to create a more convincing illusion of Gruntals destruction the MBV ordered the freshly resurrected necro-Gelda to execute them while in transit and return their bodies to the main base.
About a fifth of Gruntal's forces were resurrected as necrosoldiers.
Due to the 13'th Orakel the MBV put great effort into trying to retrieve Erica's and Yoko's corpses from the battle debris in Ketheres, Erika was found, Yoko obviously wasn't.
During Erika's first resurrection as a necrosoldier her memories were left intact, she ended up in an extremely unstable state and was therefor terminated and resurrected again with reducted memories.
During her first short resurrection Erika revealed that Yoko should have safely crash landed on the Earths surface.
Due to tightening security around the orbital elevator and within the Orbitary Unions space, sending a search party to retrieve Yoko was unfeasible and so the MBV concluded that the 13'th Orakel was still in motion and that when the time is right Yoko would resurface on her own...

Ok reading these theories has helped me reignite my interest of the series again. I just hope what Kishiro is as good as this if not at least better works. Mars Chronicles is more of a series that I would call that you have to put in the effort to enjoy kind of series( as it relies on us to put things together and speculate a bit) not like other series where the author puts the effort to help viewers enjoy the series.

Thank you very much, but like the Principia Discordia stated, the key to finding conspiracies is looking for them hard enough. Like you said in your next reply, I'm probably reading too much into things because I don't really like the surface story that is being presented.

Queen Limeira:

Spoiler:

Impostor Alita managed to get close to queen Limeira because Mars Kingdom has bad security and queen Limeira acts on the emotional
I can't say much about M.K. security but as for Limeira, oh kind, merciful, emotional, beneficent queen Limeira who is so nice, so very very nice that it feels entirely false.
If you look at Limeira from a slightly different angle you will see that she is as rational, cold and calculating as they come:

1.1. On her very first appearance in the story (to be more precise the 2nd and 3rd page's were she is shown) her dialog is pure sarcasm, and the last panel on the 3rd page suggests that she usually plans and carefully considers every single word she says.
1.2. Then the ventriloquism thing, without greeting, acknowledging or even looking at the other ambassadors, she starts off with a private joke and it is only her servant that first addresses them directly, all that done in a friendly and polite tone but without a hint of apology, is essence, a subtle but direct insult meant to convey that she is queen and they are nothing more than vulgar peasants that are beneath her.
This sort of attitude is of course foolish if her goal is to gain the recognition and support from the R.V. and J.S.U., however, it makes perfect sense if her actual goal is to send Mbadi the message that she needs no one other than himself.
1.3. Which is reinforced by the next sequence which is to a great extent a romantic date between Limeira and Mbadi, at the end of which Mbadi seems to completely open up to her, and looking at his emotional state at the end their date, quite possibly fall for her right there and then.
1.4. Now making the most powerfull guy in the neighborhood and from a certain perspective also your boss fall madly in love with you is already a fairly rational thing to do, but, there is more to it than just that.
1.5. With his body hacking and constant accompaniment of N.O. guards he is essentially impervious to assassination. With his cyberspace supremacy and lack of any personal relations he is essentially immune impervious to blackmail and extortion. He does seem to take bribes, but with the huge amount of bribes he's getting they aren't really going to do that much good. So if your actual goal is to control or get rid of him what is the most viable weakness to exploit? It's the fact that while believing himself to be an absolute pillar of logic, he is in fact very prone to being ruled by his emotions.
1.6. Exploiting this weakness is probably half of the reason for Limeira's existence.

2. Then we come to Limeira recklessly charging into the fight between Alita and Zazie, except there's nothing reckless about it.
2.1. Since Zazie was going to investigate a potentially hazardous situation, it would make sense that her suits comlink was set to auto broadcast and thus Limeira would have heard everything that went on.
2.2. And what went on is that as the fight went on an unknown attacker has manged to outmaneuver Zazie to the point that Zazie saw no choice but to self-destruct in order to take out the attacker with her, however, there was no guarantee that it would actually work and that the attacker won't manage to survive.
2.3. Also, Zazie's initial declaration was that she has caught some stowaways, plural, so as far as Limeira knew there might have been a whole squad of P.K. assassins in the ships cargo hold, so even if Zazie managed to sacrifice herself to take out one of them, the other potential assassins would still likely be able to kill everyone on board.
2.4. Consequentially the last possible moment when Zazie managed to gain a momentary advantage before completely losing was the best time to start trying to negotiate.
2.5. And then starting the buildup towards recruiting the unknown P.K. warrior to for M.K. it is fairly reasonable to assume that Lovely Limeira invited Alita and CO. for tea and cake and then chatted them up and learned a lot about their goals, agendas, personalities and motives.

3. Limeira charitably buys off a platoon of orphans, but is there any actual charity involved?
3.1. What exactly would have happened to the kids if they would have stayed alive and got to Mars, Zazie herself started in one of Leviathan1's Juvenile Infantry Schools, after spending a bit of time with Limeira wouldn't they have decided that they will give their heart and soul for their beneficent savior queen thus ended up becoming M.K. soldiers like Zazie.
3.2. And even if buying the orphans was a net loss in and of itself, wouldn't making Alita feel indebted contribute to the long term goal of recruiting her and thus count as a worthwhile investment.
3.3. And then moving to the darker side of things, wasn't it convenient that the kids died and saved Limeira the trouble of having to transport them to Mars, and again considering that Zazie also started out in a J.I.S. wouldn't it be possible that M.K. actually had backroom dealings with Leviathan1's J.I.S.s and would thus be able to ask for re-compensation at a later time?
3.4. And moving to an even darker side of things, isn't it also very convenient that the kid that caused the whole situation died without giving the slightest bit of explanation as to why he stole Limeira's teddy-bear and then gave it to Alita.
3.5. And then to top it all off, this entire affair gives Zazie and Alita some bonding time, which again contributes for the goal of recruiting Alita.

4. Limeira encourages Zazie to go to the Z.O.T.T. and ask Alita to cure her.
4.1. Is there even any need to say anything, what was the alternative, have Zazie do two or three weeks more of guard duty while counting the seconds until her head explodes?
4.2. And yet there's more to it than that. As far as Limeira knew, Alita's goal at that time was to rescue her friend from the incubator and then go back to the scrapyard find her lover and friends and start a farm on Earth. As such, making her learn that there were still other living P.K. practitioners of Mars could then serve to give Alita the interest to visit Mars sooner rather than later.
4.3. And then the darkness in Lemeira's shadow keeps once you consider, that, not only was it "fortunate" that it was Erika and not some other Kunstler einherjar that was responsible for operating in the area were Zazie went, but also, that circumstances allowed Erika enough time to play with Zazie for the whole "Yoko is alive" issue to come up.

5. And then we come to the assassination attempt.
5.1. Once you consider that Lemeira is very far from being ruled by the "emotional", then putting aside security considerations, wouldn't it have made sense for Leimira to stall "Alita" a little in order to clear up a sizeable portion of her schedule and then invite "Alita" to join her on a tour around the trade habitat and use the opportunity to chat up Alita again and also try to recruit her.
5.2. More importantly than that though if the goal was to secretly turn Lemeira into a necrosoldier, wouldn't an inconspicuous accident be a better choice that an open assassination attempt?
5.3. And why use an Alita impostor for the assassination, with access to einjerhar kunstler's it seems unlikely that this was the only way to get close to Leimira, and there would also be no telling if and when Alita actually learn about the assassination and it would also be uncertain that she did it would make her come rather than stay away from mars.
5.4. Instead, looking at things from a different direction, for anyone who knew of Alita's real goal during the ZOTT, rescuing her friend from LADDERS high security incubator, would there be any doubt that once she learns that her dearest childhood friend was turned into a mind controlled zombie, she would try to find a cure? And after finding the cure and discovering that aside from her childhood friend most of her past comrades and the benevolent queen of Mars to whom she owes so much are also under the same affliction, would she not make both the sickness and the cure public and fight to to return all necrosoldiers to normal.
5.5. The Champion of the ZOTT, the Hero that overthrew Ladder, now saves the Benevolent Queen of Peace as well as Mars's noble and heroic Panzer knights who's name has been unjustly stained for so long .. that would be quite something, right?
5.6. However, in interim between becoming a mind controlled zombie and being cured the great hero of the ZOTT, wouldn't Leimira have the leeway to do something that she normally wouldn't be able to do under the image of the wise and beneficent queen of peace: To quickly and ruthlessly crush all the remaining strongholds that oppose to her rule?
5.7. But that leaves a crucial problem: the scapegoat, someone that is hidden and not well liked but that has left enough footprints behind to be vilified, connected and framed for most of the worst parts of the history of space colonization, someone like .. a vampire..
A centuries old loathsome undead abomination that lived and prospered even as humanity nearly went extinct, a cruel butcher that terrorized the legendary Star City just as humanity was preparing to take it's first steps into space, a cunning thief that stole the Fata Morgana and used it to subvert Malchizedek to her will, a devious puppeter that tricked the noble Kunstlers into committing the greatest act of terror in recorded history and then arranging for their destruction used her vile undead arts to turn them into mindcontrolled zombies, a corrupter that transformed the saintly and chivalrous Mbadi into a heartless tyrant, A monster that under the pretense of running an orphanage turned innocent children into assassins and spies, for wasn't it one of her student's that started the starship cult that used foul vampiric charm to abduct maidens from all across the solar system, wasn't it in one of her students territory that Limeira was turned into a necrosoldier, and wasn't it ever since her own private forces joined the battle that the that her mind controled kunstler troops disappeared from the field of battle? and so on and so forth ...

Dasein's, the MBV's plans run far and deep in both time and space, much further and deeper than Caerula understands.
Limeira is an agent of the MBV, the queen of peace that would unify Mars, her appearance was in one of the 13 orakel's that the MBV revealed to the nobles, a misinterpretation of that orakel is what caused Ninon to believe that she was the destined queen.
The 13'th orakel marking Yoko as the harbinger of change was the last.
Erika's orakel was the first, the shepherd girl: the one that protects the helpless innocent lamb: Yoko, her finding of Mars's hidden treasure would signify the beginning of the orakel's fulfillment her finding happiness would signify the end...

Extra notes:

The magic of the Jinn of Mars is probably nanomachine technology.
The Jinn of Mars itself is probably a teraforming mechanism that the Original Mars Settlers created with the long term goal of acttually teraforming Mars (rather than just incasing it in a planetwide biodome).

The association between Gruntal and the MBV was there from the very start, Tiger Suer did dirty jobs for the MBV and the MBV provided him with cybernetics that were decades ahead of what was available anywhere else which allowed him to start developing advanced cyborg specific martial arts while everybody else were busy trying to figure out how to use their rudimentary cybernetics to dig potatoes.

The MBV are the leftovers/continuation of the OMS, they reproduce asexually like hydras, unlike the other QBS their Saule network is closer to being a gestalt.

The Iris Methos ( the causative agent for the headshaped tumor's ) is an early version of the OMS reproduction mechanism, they needed it because their starting population was too small, but they quickly developed the tech to give themselves cyborg bodies.

P.S.

I'm a troll that likes talking to walls .. they listen .. they really do ... and they know .. I know that they know .. but they never tell .. they never ever tell
I'll probably make a few more rant posts and then leave, sorry for the bother.
That is all.. for now.. BWAHAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAH MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA..

A little iffy on this one most of it I might consider overreaching, but an interesting read nevertheless, if the mbv does do secret deals then I wouldn't call them a neutral party at this point but we'll see. Because it is known they recorded many key events within Mars(maybe a dark commentary of people living in a dystopian key surveillance state) that means if they do work with someone they have a strong archive of knowledge with those recordings.

I think it's more along the lines of there being no such thing as neutral. They secretly work with everyone but give everyone they are working with the impression that they are only working with them, thus they become the puppet-master that actually controls everything that's going on.
As for the surveillance, I think it goes beyond merely the dystopian state thing, with the Q.B.S. thing and the baladachin enclosing the entirety of mars, it's more like the entirety of mars is a sort of a massive social experiment or giant petri dish.

Alita more evil than Erika:

Spoiler:

I bet Alita was "Evil", more radical that Erica which is why she went on the Camlam tragedy mission and Erica attacked her to not do it.

The original deleted book made her ... basically a nazi following orders. I think the Camlan rewrite was a desire to take it up a notch but it is also very sterile in spite of her torturous capture/trial and execution. We are going to get some gnarly Alita the war criminal. The original book has her attacking children's shelters on the moon.

Dunno, from what I see the past Alita isn't so much radical and Evil as much as pure and empty, not a nazi following orders but rather a robot following orders.. no .. scratch that .. past Alita is a nazi following orders, present Alita .. is a nazi doing whatever the hell she likes.. the point being that Alita, neither the present nor the past, doesn't perceive herself to be evil.
This is in contrast to Erika who understands herself and her actions to be evil.

Gynoid Alita and Brain Alita:

Spoiler:

I also think gynoid Alita (I don't like that term...brain bio chip Alita) is the real Alita overall and recreate Alita is ... unknown when her memory starts...Venus tech is not Desty Nova tech so safe to say her brain stopped getting input in Last Order Book 1. That means brain chip Alita has more published at this point.

Hmm, the end of BAA:LO does make it seem like neo-pinocchio Alita is just a consolation prize for Figure (or whatever his name was) and doesn't have any other story significance ... except that.. during Alita's interrogation in regards to Limaera's assassination attempt, when the issue of Alita's doppelgangers is brought up, neo-pinocchio Alita isn't mentioned (which obviously makes sense in and of itself since Zazzie doesn't have any real reason to know about her, but can still raise a potential red flag for us the readers who do).

Origin of the head tumors:

Spoiler:

I think the head tumors were a failed attempt at some kind of bio weapon creation system...brain tumors plus socket soldier bodies.

Her brain has a special nanotech ability to absorb shocks according to Desty Nova in book 1. Hard to say yet that it isn't a standard Panzer Kunst modification, but if it is special to her tumor origin, leads a note to the weaponization concept. ...infect dieing soldiers and they pass on their knowledge as the goal....maybe she has Munster's sister's memories locked away in there.

Like I said before, the maske tumor is neither a failure nor a weapon, simply a means for rapid asexual reproduction developed during the original Mars colony era to deal with the very serious personnel shortage.
As for Nollin Sonnan's memories .. I guess that would be the plot line for the fourth installment in the BAA series..
before she became a brain tumor that would someday become the ultimate weapon she was a perfectly normal girl who's family freshly migrated to Mars.. or so it seems.. learn all the truth about Alita's true family tree in Battle Angel Alita: The Roots.

[rjmaster357]

Hi, new member here, I've been around for some time but decided to make an account so I can post.

In regards to Mars having settlers before the events of the story, I think it is quite possible. We only ever have the description that it was an age similar to ours now. However, they had the workings of quantum computing before us so its not a stretch to think they had space colonization tech available. It would also explain why Mars has better tech than Earth since they didn't have to contend with surviving an extinction event.

About the maske tumor though, I doubt it would be a way for increasing population. At least not in the version we known of it. During those early Mars colonization days, (during earths recovery) cybernetics woudnt be available yet so they woudnt be able to make Gally like population. Maybe the Maske tumor chemicals are a weaponized version of cloning tech or a failed attempt of it.

In regards with your head-canon interpretation of Yoko/Erica's falling apart, its very interesting. I cant remember which volume it was where she said the "next time I see you" line. And we yet have confirmation on how Erika was killed by Yoko. I had always assumed it was before Maurwolf. In MC, chip Gally is so sure that she killed Erika and Erika was like nah I'm too strong for you. Looking back, maybe chip Gally was referring to indirect killing due to her failure at Maurwulf. And that failure was that she got captured. She could have easily offed her self but maybe she didint want to so she could go back and kill Erika.

Im expecting after this Kuan arc, the training arc will begin. Narrator text is foreshadwing with lines like "before they become perfect weapons". Maybe Kuan dies due to Erika or he lives and the training will co inside with Kuans quest for his gfs death. They find out more about Kunstler blackops and eventually lists both Yoko and Erika into it to the dismay of Gelda. Unye joins Kunstler aswell and along with other recruits they form a bond which gets destroyed over time through betrayal in most part by Erika. We get an explanation why 99 is a thing. Yoko gets a romantic interest (from the deleted volume) but loses it because Erika again. Yoko grows up realizing Erikas actions and at the climax, learns Geldas death was due to Erika. Cheerful Yoko dies and goes on to commit Marlwulf. Maybe Yoko intended for her organisation to get wiped out.

But Im hoping we get a jump back to current time before training arc begins and see what chip Gally and Super Nova has in stored. Im guessing Super Nova would piece together everything for the necrosoldier tech and we get all mind blown because everything he reveals was already shown in the flashbacks in subtle details. Maybe we get an explanation as to why chip Gally has a normal cybernetic body. The 3 year timeskip in Venus is still a mystery.

Side note, Zazzie does not know about brain Gally because they left right after ZOTT. Brain gally awoke quite sometime after ZOTT and under protection and secrecy of king Hecathon. It wouldn't be wise to reveal brain Gallys existence as it would put her and those around her in danger. Let her have her peace though I wish Kishiro would bring her back for some scenes.

[EricaFan]

I need to go to work so I'll do my best at being concise.

Mars original colony and cybernetics:

Spoiler:

They didn't have advanced full body cybernetics like the ones in the past current time obviously. However in the few decades between them getting cut from supplies and new personnel from Earth and them starting to die of old age, they manged to patch together a basic brain-machine interface which by the past current time developed into advanced full body cybernetics, that is to say the original maske tumor brains weren't being given full cybernetic bodies but were being used as as control mechanisms for complex machinery (possibly because they had a resource shortage of the materials needed to build "normal" CPU's and the like).

Yoko and Erika falling apart story:

Spoiler:

Yoko getting a lot of personal/emotional development would be a bit conflicting with the original BAA and Caerula's comment about how the Camlan tragedy Yoko was very pure in contrast to the present day Alita who is very human and has experienced joy and sorrow, but otherwise
the above story makes more sense than mine.
Also, my memory fails me, what is the 99 thing.

Back to the present:

Spoiler:

It would be nice, but it is also quite likely that quite on the opposite the story will only keep on drifting farther and farther away from the main plot line and end up with a rushed ending or outright dropped.

Alita not regenerating:

Spoiler:

The explanation for chip Alita not being able to regenerate and do extra fancy stuff like she did in the ZOTT has essentially already been given in BAA:LO - budget. All that fancy stuff consumes a lot of energy, the energy at Jupitan's disposal is vast but not limitless, and Alita gives the impression of someone that tends to blow away all of her money(energy) without too much thought, hence, Arthy and Jupi gave her a pretty tight budget.

Venus timeskip:

Spoiler:

The 3 year time skip on Venus isn't that big of a mystery and will likely not get much of an explanation. With Arthur and Jupi becoming allies, it makes sense that their first order of business would be to bring Venus in tow.

Gynoid Alita and Brain Alita:

Spoiler:

Zazzie doesn't have any reason to know about her, but we the readers do. Since Venusian bio printing tech isn't a secret, and since it is somewhat reasonable for Zazzie to know that Alita used to have a bio-brain, it wouldn't be too out of place for Zazzie and/or the other guy in the interrogation to say something that would clearly eliminate the possibility of Impostor Alita being a 3d-bio-print copy. The fact that they did not opens the possibility that Impostor Alita is in fact Brain Alita who has been kidnapped and necro-soldiered.

EDIT:

Impostor Alita.. is.. Brain Alita.. ha.. haa Haaa.. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAAAA..
.. AAHHHHAHAHAHaaa.. why didn't I see that right away, It's one of the most brilliant twists and climax points for BAA:MC to have:

For *Alita's friend/acquaintances in the scrapyard who do not know that she is a copy, Brain Alita is their beloved hero who saved them once again but then lost her memory of doing but still remembered her time with them.

And, for *Alita's friend/acquaintances in the scrapyard that do know she is a copy, Brain Alita is also a fairly clear message that Chip Alita has discarded them.

Conversely, for *Alita's friend/acquaintances from the ZOTT, Brain Alita is an ungrateful doll that was given the peace and happiness that was Chip Alita's due, but then spat in Chip Alita's face by trying to assassinate Queen Lymeira.

Aaand, for Erika, Brain Alita is a version of Alita that only remembers her (Erika) as the first friend she ever had who rescued her from certain death (because that scene was shown while nova was implementing the first stage's of Alita regeneration, before he switched her brain for a chip).

Chip Alita's Friends and acquaintances go at each other's throats.
Erika regresses and denying the Chip Alita as the real one, tries to secretly murder and destroy all of the people in Brain Alita's life in order to try and turn Brain Alita back into the Yoko that needed only her(Erika).
Not wishing for any of them to hurt/kill each other, Chip Alita starts fighting them all.
Arthy and Jupi are completely disinterested in the whole thing and start thinking that Chip Alita is more trouble than she's worth and that it might be necessary to replace her.

.. AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH.. *cough* .. *sob* .. If Kishiro does this sort of thing and does it well, BAA:LO might yet turn out to be the greatest masterpiece in the entire franchise...

[EricaFan]

OK, first off, a not entirely small revision about "who is Dasein?":

Spoiler:

Up to now my opinion/vote was 'Dasein = [Priesterin, MBV, Lymeira]' I now revise it to:
Dasein = {
"Tiger Sauer": PRESIDENT,
"Priesterin Mui": [HEAD_OF_R_AND_D, SECOND_IN_COMMAND],
"MBV": [R_AND_D_DEPARTMENT],
"Saule Network": [QUANTUM_BRAIN_SIMULATOR],
"Queen Lymeira": [HEAD_OF_PR_DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC_FACE],
"Mars Kingdom": [PR_DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC_COVER],
"Commander Gelgt": [HEAD_OF_INTERNAL_SECURITY, HEAD_OF_SPECIAL_OPS],
"Einherjar": [INTERNAL_SECURITY, SPECIAL_OPS],
"Space Pirates": [INTERPLANETARY_ROUGH_NEGOTIATIONS],
}

Next, putting aside the "Tiger Sauer" and "Space Pirates" bits aside for a moment I'll continue the "Impostor Alita" == "Pinocchio Alita" thing:

Spoiler:

At first I considered it just a funny crazy idea that wasn't going to happen, but after some more consideration I think it actually ties in quite nicely to some other stuff.
One of the biggest problems with this idea is, how did Dasein learn about Pinocchio Alita in the first place?
[*]One simple possibility is that during their trip to Leviathan I Lymeira chatted up both Alita and Ping Wu, learned pretty much everything about them, told about it to her Dasein comrades and after they mulled about it together for a while at the end of the ZOTT they guessed at Pinocchio Alita's existence. However This feels quite a bit too forced and out of the blue.
[*]Another simple possibility is that Sext or one of Alita's other buddies casually mentioned it within earshot of a Dasein agent. However this feels way too random.
Then, how about Super Nova? I can hear your immediate reply, the same dismissive thought I had myself when this possibility occurred to me "You silly person, It was clearly stated that Super Nova fled leaving Alita's brain in the incubator!".
However, after pondering about it some more, it suddenly struck me: Why phrase it that way? That statement was given during the buildup towards Alita's decision to let go of her organic brain and become last order, Nova's fate wasn't really important at that point, just saying that her brain was still in the incubator would have been enough. Rather by phrasing it that way, it's the lack of the opposite possibility that is being highlighted:
"Super Nova fled to Mars taking your brain with him", So then why wouldn't Super Nova nick Alita's brain while he was jumping off Trinidad's sinking ship? Wouldn't it be because rather than just guessing about it, he would eagerly await the Karmic storm's that would stem from Alita's choice to split herself in two? Seriously, Can't you just hear his demented maniacal laughter the moment the two Alita's confront each other?

That still seems to leave a small problem, when Mui and Alita come to visit Super Nova, Mui phrases things in a manner that seems to indicate that she didn't know Nova and Alita knew each other.
However, isn't it a bit strange? During the ZOTT in the fight with Anomaly, Super Nova very personally attests to Alita's death on prime TV, so it would be quite reasonable to assume that there might be some sort of a connection between and quite possibly bad blood between them. At the very least, Mui should have been aware that Super Nova came from Ketheres/Tipheres and so should have said something along the lines of "Recently there is a talented physician from Ketheres, Dr. Nova, having spent some time there yourself, maybe you've heard of him?"
Quite on the opposite, since the Priesterin and the Gartners supposedly don't have much use for medical tech, why would Mui be aware enough of Nova to suggest him right away anyway?
What I'm trying to say here is that it is already subtly shown that Mui is lying through her teeth to Alita (As well as that Super Nova is already in cahoots with Dasein).

Following all that, there is another problem, how did Dasein manage to kidnap Pinocchio Alita, which brings me to the "Space Pirates" bit:

Spoiler:

At first I thought the last two half chapters "The connection with the pirate guy" were just pointless and side tracking gaiden but after trying to forcefully find some meaningfulness for them I came up with the following:

• If Giapollo could more or less survive atmospheric reentry into Mars with nothing more than a broken spacesuit in the past storyline, It wouldn't be too far fetched for space pirates in the present storyline to be able to dive straight through the Earth's atmosphere, kidnap Pinocchio Alita and then jet-pack straight out, thus, bypassing all of the Earth's orbital rings security and leaving even Arthy and Jupi blind to the fact that Pinocchio Alita has been kidnapped.
• From the very start of BAA:MC there has been a lot of mention of the Northern Expedition. At a passing glance this might seem like nothing more than a way to tie things with Alita's crashed starship memory that was there from way back in the original BAA if I'm not mistaken, however, there might be a bit more to it than just that.
  In the past storyline where Dasein is still in the process of forming up, despite being overall technologically way ahead of Earth, Venus and Jupiter, they are sorely lacking in terms of outer-planetary assets.
  Consequentially, the dark truth behind the northern expedition is that Dasein lured in the space pirates, crushed them at extreme cost with Gruntal and the Mars Nobles, and then, used cybernetic enchantment bribes (the whole "king of mod thing") and early forms of the necrosoldier treatment to turn the strongest of the pirates that survived the conflict into Dasein agents/puppets, and then, had those agents return to the bulk of the space pirates forces and take control of them as Dasein puppets.

And times up and I need to stop this now for now.

EDIT:
Sorry, I'm sleepy so I degenerate to pot shots.

Spoiler:

About Alita getting the D-ripper from Tunpo: Sure, why not, Alita's Imaginos body is already a DeusExMachina fueled by plot device juice, being able to change reality on a whim wouldn't make that much of a difference.

Also in reply to the posts on the other thread:
Another maske tumor/clone of Alita's maske tumor brain being a cool idea: The core of the Saule Network being a maske tumor version of the incubator and the Gartners and the Preisterins being the completed product to which the maske tumor was a prototype is an even cooler idea.
Leviathan V is not a particulary good hiding place in and of itself because of logistics problem's, constantly going there and back without anyone noticing would be a pain.
The Quantum Brain Simulators are indeed in and of themselves fairly boring background story elements, however with Jupi openly and blatantly declaring that the entire Jupiter Union is just his pawn for taking over the entire solar system, and, with Arthy now joining him, any "interesting" and "human level" character would need the backing of an opposing Quantum Brain Simulator to be a relevant antagonist, which is where the Saule Network comes in.
Breed DNA for smarts is genetic engineering, it's meaningful if you want to have biologically smarter humans, if you are going to transcribe the biological brains into brain simulation chips it would be faster and simpler to skip the biological brains and just run an evolutionary selection algorithm straight on/with the brain-chips themselves, the point of Tiphares was to provide biological brains for the incubator.

EDIT:
A slight revision to the original Mars settlers thing and a tiny bit about Tiger Sauer:

Spoiler:

In my original speculation I proposed that the original Mars colony consisted of several hundred/few thousand VIP's wishing to secretly escape the predicted Geo Catastrophe.
I now revise my speculation to the original Mars colony consisting only of a few dozen top of the top scientists and engineers living in a few small research habitats that were only theoretically self sufficient.
The original Mars colony was provided with the best technology available at the time, which among other things included Pendragon and the blueprints for Merlin, however, the colonies overall success and survival estimation was still 2 or 3 orders of magnitude lower than the survival estimations for meteor-impact-proof shelters and vaults back on earth. Thus the aforementioned VIP's didn't escape to Mars but instead used the fanfare around the Mars Colony as a cover for constructing the meteor-impact-proof vaults only for themselves.

After the Geo Catastrophe, despite having the blueprints and the know-how, the Mars Team didn't have the necessary materials to complete a Merlin replica and thus instead they came up with the idea of using their own brains during sleep time to supplement the Pendragon prototype, this in turn developed into the Saule Network and served as the baseline for all of the other modern Quantum Brain Simulators.
As I mentioned before the Maske Tumor thing stemmed from a very limited supply of organic material which made full scale cloning unfeasible at the time. Initially the available cybernetic wasn't good enough to produce full body prosthetics, thus, the Maske Tumors were infused directly into infrastructure and equipment.
To maintain their human identity though, the Mars Team chose a single female member that would undergo full cloning/mitosis, and that the succession of her clones would become the Mars Colonies caretakers and spiritual leaders: The Gartners and the Preisterin.

The Mars Colony's overall technology developed very quickly, however, because they didn't really have any enemies and no real crime, they didn't really develop in terms of military technology. Also because they were focused on transforming Mars they didn't pay much attention to what was going on with Earth.
Consequentially when Earth's colonization fervor begun, the Preisterin at the time was too slow to react. When the first colony ships approached, she broadcast a message stating that the Mars Terra-forming would take a few more centuries to complete and that the Earth colonists should turn back and spend that time rebuilding Earth.
Obviously the Earth Colonists refused and landed on Mars instead, at which point the Preisterin tried to use the Jinn of Mars (which were giant tornadoes consisting of transforming nanobots to scare the colonists away) but this backfired as the Earth Colonists turned hostile instead.

Taking part in the Mars suppression operation, Tiger Sauer went farther and deeper than anyone else and managed to find and break into the Preisterin's headquarters in the Night Labyrinth. After brutally raping and nearly killing her, he took pity and acceded to her pleas to let her and her 'people' live in exchange for her becoming his personal bitch and putting all of her people's technology at his disposal.

Quickly realizing the military potential of the Martian's tech, Tiger Sauer had the Preisterin turn him into a combat cyborg, sparked hostilities between the Earth Colonists, started Gruntal and lay the initial foundation's for Daisen.

[00_unit]

OK, first off, a not entirely small revision about "who is Dasein?":

Spoiler:

Up to now my opinion/vote was 'Dasein = [Priesterin, MBV, Lymeira]' I now revise it to:
Dasein = {
"Tiger Sauer": PRESIDENT,
"Priesterin Mui": [HEAD_OF_R_AND_D, SECOND_IN_COMMAND],
"MBV": [R_AND_D_DEPARTMENT],
"Saule Network": [QUANTUM_BRAIN_SIMULATOR],
"Queen Lymeira": [HEAD_OF_PR_DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC_FACE],
"Mars Kingdom": [PR_DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC_COVER],
"Commander Gelgt": [HEAD_OF_INTERNAL_SECURITY, HEAD_OF_SPECIAL_OPS],
"Einherjar": [INTERNAL_SECURITY, SPECIAL_OPS],
"Space Pirates": [INTERPLANETARY_ROUGH_NEGOTIATIONS],
}

Next, putting aside the "Tiger Sauer" and "Space Pirates" bits aside for a moment I'll continue the "Impostor Alita" == "Pinocchio Alita" thing:

Spoiler:

At first I considered it just a funny crazy idea that wasn't going to happen, but after some more consideration I think it actually ties in quite nicely to some other stuff.
One of the biggest problems with this idea is, how did Dasein learn about Pinocchio Alita in the first place?
[*]One simple possibility is that during their trip to Leviathan I Lymeira chatted up both Alita and Ping Wu, learned pretty much everything about them, told about it to her Dasein comrades and after they mulled about it together for a while at the end of the ZOTT they guessed at Pinocchio Alita's existence. However This feels quite a bit too forced and out of the blue.
[*]Another simple possibility is that Sext or one of Alita's other buddies casually mentioned it within earshot of a Dasein agent. However this feels way too random.
Then, how about Super Nova? I can hear your immediate reply, the same dismissive thought I had myself when this possibility occurred to me "You silly person, It was clearly stated that Super Nova fled leaving Alita's brain in the incubator!".
However, after pondering about it some more, it suddenly struck me: Why phrase it that way? That statement was given during the buildup towards Alita's decision to let go of her organic brain and become last order, Nova's fate wasn't really important at that point, just saying that her brain was still in the incubator would have been enough. Rather by phrasing it that way, it's the lack of the opposite possibility that is being highlighted:
"Super Nova fled to Mars taking your brain with him", So then why wouldn't Super Nova nick Alita's brain while he was jumping off Trinidad's sinking ship? Wouldn't it be because rather than just guessing about it, he would eagerly await the Karmic storm's that would stem from Alita's choice to split herself in two? Seriously, Can't you just hear his demented maniacal laughter the moment the two Alita's confront each other?

That still seems to leave a small problem, when Mui and Alita come to visit Super Nova, Mui phrases things in a manner that seems to indicate that she didn't know Nova and Alita knew each other.
However, isn't it a bit strange? During the ZOTT in the fight with Anomaly, Super Nova very personally attests to Alita's death on prime TV, so it would be quite reasonable to assume that there might be some sort of a connection between and quite possibly bad blood between them. At the very least, Mui should have been aware that Super Nova came from Ketheres/Tipheres and so should have said something along the lines of "Recently there is a talented physician from Ketheres, Dr. Nova, having spent some time there yourself, maybe you've heard of him?"
Quite on the opposite, since the Priesterin and the Gartners supposedly don't have much use for medical tech, why would Mui be aware enough of Nova to suggest him right away anyway?
What I'm trying to say here is that it is already subtly shown that Mui is lying through her teeth to Alita (As well as that Super Nova is already in cahoots with Dasein).

Following all that, there is another problem, how did Dasein manage to kidnap Pinocchio Alita, which brings me to the "Space Pirates" bit:

Spoiler:

At first I thought the last two half chapters "The connection with the pirate guy" were just pointless and side tracking gaiden but after trying to forcefully find some meaningfulness for them I came up with the following:

• If Giapollo could more or less survive atmospheric reentry into Mars with nothing more than a broken spacesuit in the past storyline, It wouldn't be too far fetched for space pirates in the present storyline to be able to dive straight through the Earth's atmosphere, kidnap Pinocchio Alita and then jet-pack straight out, thus, bypassing all of the Earth's orbital rings security and leaving even Arthy and Jupi blind to the fact that Pinocchio Alita has been kidnapped.
• From the very start of BAA:MC there has been a lot of mention of the Northern Expedition. At a passing glance this might seem like nothing more than a way to tie things with Alita's crashed starship memory that was there from way back in the original BAA if I'm not mistaken, however, there might be a bit more to it than just that.
  In the past storyline where Dasein is still in the process of forming up, despite being overall technologically way ahead of Earth, Venus and Jupiter, they are sorely lacking in terms of outer-planetary assets.
  Consequentially, the dark truth behind the northern expedition is that Dasein lured in the space pirates, crushed them at extreme cost with Gruntal and the Mars Nobles, and then, used cybernetic enchantment bribes (the whole "king of mod thing") and early forms of the necrosoldier treatment to turn the strongest of the pirates that survived the conflict into Dasein agents/puppets, and then, had those agents return to the bulk of the space pirates forces and take control of them as Dasein puppets.

And times up and I need to stop this now for now.

EDIT:
Sorry, I'm sleepy so I degenerate to pot shots.

Spoiler:

About Alita getting the D-ripper from Tunpo: Sure, why not, Alita's Imaginos body is already a DeusExMachina fueled by plot device juice, being able to change reality on a whim wouldn't make that much of a difference.

Also in reply to the posts on the other thread:
Another maske tumor/clone of Alita's maske tumor brain being a cool idea: The core of the Saule Network being a maske tumor version of the incubator and the Gartners and the Preisterins being the completed product to which the maske tumor was a prototype is an even cooler idea.
Leviathan V is not a particulary good hiding place in and of itself because of logistics problem's, constantly going there and back without anyone noticing would be a pain.
The Quantum Brain Simulators are indeed in and of themselves fairly boring background story elements, however with Jupi openly and blatantly declaring that the entire Jupiter Union is just his pawn for taking over the entire solar system, and, with Arthy now joining him, any "interesting" and "human level" character would need the backing of an opposing Quantum Brain Simulator to be a relevant antagonist, which is where the Saule Network comes in.
Breed DNA for smarts is genetic engineering, it's meaningful if you want to have biologically smarter humans, if you are going to transcribe the biological brains into brain simulation chips it would be faster and simpler to skip the biological brains and just run an evolutionary selection algorithm straight on/with the brain-chips themselves, the point of Tiphares was to provide biological brains for the incubator.

EDIT:
A slight revision to the original Mars settlers thing and a tiny bit about Tiger Sauer:

Spoiler:

In my original speculation I proposed that the original Mars colony consisted of several hundred/few thousand VIP's wishing to secretly escape the predicted Geo Catastrophe.
I now revise my speculation to the original Mars colony consisting only of a few dozen top of the top scientists and engineers living in a few small research habitats that were only theoretically self sufficient.
The original Mars colony was provided with the best technology available at the time, which among other things included Pendragon and the blueprints for Merlin, however, the colonies overall success and survival estimation was still 2 or 3 orders of magnitude lower than the survival estimations for meteor-impact-proof shelters and vaults back on earth. Thus the aforementioned VIP's didn't escape to Mars but instead used the fanfare around the Mars Colony as a cover for constructing the meteor-impact-proof vaults only for themselves.

After the Geo Catastrophe, despite having the blueprints and the know-how, the Mars Team didn't have the necessary materials to complete a Merlin replica and thus instead they came up with the idea of using their own brains during sleep time to supplement the Pendragon prototype, this in turn developed into the Saule Network and served as the baseline for all of the other modern Quantum Brain Simulators.
As I mentioned before the Maske Tumor thing stemmed from a very limited supply of organic material which made full scale cloning unfeasible at the time. Initially the available cybernetic wasn't good enough to produce full body prosthetics, thus, the Maske Tumors were infused directly into infrastructure and equipment.
To maintain their human identity though, the Mars Team chose a single female member that would undergo full cloning/mitosis, and that the succession of her clones would become the Mars Colonies caretakers and spiritual leaders: The Gartners and the Preisterin.

The Mars Colony's overall technology developed very quickly, however, because they didn't really have any enemies and no real crime, they didn't really develop in terms of military technology. Also because they were focused on transforming Mars they didn't pay much attention to what was going on with Earth.
Consequentially when Earth's colonization fervor begun, the Preisterin at the time was too slow to react. When the first colony ships approached, she broadcast a message stating that the Mars Terra-forming would take a few more centuries to complete and that the Earth colonists should turn back and spend that time rebuilding Earth.
Obviously the Earth Colonists refused and landed on Mars instead, at which point the Preisterin tried to use the Jinn of Mars (which were giant tornadoes consisting of transforming nanobots to scare the colonists away) but this backfired as the Earth Colonists turned hostile instead.

Taking part in the Mars suppression operation, Tiger Sauer went farther and deeper than anyone else and managed to find and break into the Preisterin's headquarters in the Night Labyrinth. After brutally raping and nearly killing her, he took pity and acceded to her pleas to let her and her 'people' live in exchange for her becoming his personal bitch and putting all of her people's technology at his disposal.

Quickly realizing the military potential of the Martian's tech, Tiger Sauer had the Preisterin turn him into a combat cyborg, sparked hostilities between the Earth Colonists, started Gruntal and lay the initial foundation's for Daisen.

Glad to have these spoiler tags as you said it is a visual nightmare, but some of these theories I really do like, maybe not all of it, but they are quite impressive that you thought of it nevertheless.

To get back what you saying on how the mbv not being neutral and secretly helping everyone could make sense as they seem to hate humanity in general and most likely just want those warring factions to pit against each other which some people would use that tactics. I honestly still think the 4 eyed bird belongs to mbv, as i feel it needs to play a bigger role but that is me. Also when you mention how it goes. beyond a mass surveillance state that sounds intriguing.

The scar thing maybe it healed hard to say with unye's hair in the way. I think the ghost thing is more of an out of body experience that some scientist theorize and experimented such as charles tart and also another personality inserted into unye.

Still I wish I could be this creative at theory farming, it got my eyes glued more than Mars Chronicle itself. Just know your efforts are appreciated even if there isn't much people to witness it

[EricaFan]

Thanks ,
for the moment though I kinda run dry on the theories.. I guess that since I kinda hate humanity myself and hope for the MBV to win but know that story-wise that can't happen I'm kinda stuck.

[EricaFan]

With the anticipation for the second part and the translation of chapter 43, this is probably not the best time to post completely unrelated speculation, then again maybe that's exactly why..

Four Eyed Eagle:

Spoiler:

Ever since reading 00_unit's post a month ago the four eyed eagle thing has been seriously bothering me and upsetting all my theories to some degree.

In and of itself, the four eyed eagle is almost certainly nothing more than Muster's keep-track-of-Yoko spy drone like I mentioned in one of my previous posts, aside from it very notably making it's last appearance right when Erika is showing the "Clausewitz on war" book to Finch the medic, it's four eyes motif is actually in line with Muster's disfigurement motif. And to boot for a planet-wide surveillance system, spy-cams mounted on eagles would be rather conspicuous and inefficient as compared to just integrating the surveillance into the Baladachin itself.

Rather than it's last appearance, what really bothers me is it's first: Ninon starts reading to Yoko "The nine Kings and the Jinn of Mars" and on the next page the four eyed eagle is shown to be flying through the sky to the words "One day on Mars where those Jinn lived.. nine kings came from Earth riding a (Nazi UFO)".
What this very strongly implies is that the whole Nazi motif is actually associated with the settlers from earth..
.. which kinda chimes in with Arthur actually being a fairly ruthless dictator and Wilma being quite a bit of a one woman gestapo.

And what this means is that Mars should have been under Arthy's control from the start? or something?

I can't figure out where this entire thought line goes but it somehow feels that it throws everything else out of place..

Gynoid Alita and Brain Alita:

Spoiler:

If Brain Alita is "Impostor Alita" doesn't this mean that it's actually gynoid Alita who is the impostor, more importantly, in that case, gynoid Alita has a brain-chip which is essentially ladder tech.
This is important because Mbadi assassinated Lymeira's father.
Which in turn is significant because once Lymeira finishes conquering Mars, revealing the truth about Mbadi assassinating her father and then mixing it with the falsehood that an impostor (gynoid) Alita, who is an agent of ex-ladder, tried to assassinate her, could be used as grounds for launching a unified Mars into a fanatical interplanetary war.

[EricaFan]

First Before everything else, I wish to apologize to Martin.
After looking at my original reply to your theory on the origin of the Head tumors, I realize that it sounded like I was mocking your idea, this wasn't really my intent, like my name suggests I'm an Erika fan and don't really like Alita very much, that reply was a bad attempt at placating the other members of this board that find Erika an annoyance because she takes the stories focus away from Alita.
As for my potshots later on, I have no real excuse, I was tired and frustrated at how my own theories were full of inconsistencies and holes, I guess I was hoping you would take potshots at my own theories in return, but even so I should have avoided unconstructive criticism.
So once more, sorry Martin , I'm not a rebellious teenager and especially as a fairly new member here I should give greater respect to people that have been participating in this forum for years.

Unye

Spoiler:

If the following has already been revealed or countered in the yet untranslated 43.1 I'll feel pretty stupid, but since I can't read Japanese..

In my previous post about Unye I suggested that she was a DejahThoris native on the one hand and that her Fairy is an imprint of Wami's personality and memories resulting from a TGIV-like process.
At the time I thought this was contradictory because Wami seems to have died at the hand's of a hidden Kunstler faction while being in Kunstler territory, whereas Unye as a young DejahThoris native shouldn't have had a reason to leave DejahThoris, thus I made the rather doubtful suggestion that Unye was an early version of a TGIV child who escaped before the treatment was complete.

After thinking about it some more I realized that there was a much better answer that removed the contradiction entirely and also explained why Unye has very good fighting and acrobatics skill's even when she isn't under Fairy possession:

Unye is/was one of Big Madam's Ohren spies.
Pretending to be just another lost and homeless orphan, she was investigating what she thought to be just another one of the Zonohedron workshops but was actually a research facility of the hidden Kunstler faction that was using the Zonohedron as cover/puppets/scapegoats.
Rather than the standard TGIV research that the Zonohedron were doing, that facility was developing the initial stages of the Necrosoldier treatment which at that point revolved around the idea of imprinting the memories and experiences of dead Kunstlers into TGIV subjects.

Accidentally, or maybe on purpose, Unye got taken as a TGIV subject.
However, because she had a strong sense of self and a previous agenda, or something along those lines, because of which the initial TGIV mind-blank treatment didn't entirely on her.
In parallel to that, since the ghost imprint technology was still in it's early stages, Wami's ghost wasn't properly "cleaned" and thus retained some of Wami's personality, or something along those lines.
The mix of the above two factors allowed Unye to break free of the TGIV/protoNecrosoldier treatments brainwashing/mind control and escape, or something along those lines.

Afterwards Unye returned to DejahThoris.
However since she was M.I.A for a while and came back with some mental damage and a strange Fairy possession, Big Madam decided to take her of duty for a while.
Which is why Erika and Yoko find her lazying around DejahThoris when they get there.

TGIV, Necrosoldiers, Immortality potion and origin of Head tumors:

Spoiler:

Several people suggested that the head tumors are a failed attempt at a bio-weapon, I disagreed and still do but the root of my disagreement stems from my own fairly baseless supposition that the head tumors are a technology created by the original Mars settlers.
If that supposition is incorrect, than it would indeed make sense that head tumors were created as a weapon during the War of the Nine Kings.
Martin suggested that the idea behind that weapon was to infect dying soldiers with the Iris Methos and then implant the resulting head tumors in socket cyborg bodies, which is a pretty cool idea.

Never the less, when considering all of the items in the title of this paragraph together I see a different conclusion.
During the later stages of the original mars settlement and for most of the War of the Nine Kings the Immortality potion and the Iris Methos were two parts of a single whole.

The Iris Methos came first.
The resulting head tumors weren't being inserted into full human like cybernetic bodies but were used as control mechanisms for machinery and simple task specific robots.
Also these head tumors did not retain any of the knowledge/memories/experiences of the person they were created from but were essentially "blank" and required teaching and training in order to be of any use.
This was not entirely a disadvantage because:
a. All of the original mars settlers were exceptionally trained and gifted scientists and engineers and thus inserting full mental copies of themselves into robots and machines that were intended to do nothing but dull menial work was bound to result in said copies becoming angry and hateful very quickly.
b. It enabled the mentally blank head tumors to adapt to whatever mechanical body they were given from the start without having to go through the shock and hardship of essentially losing the human bodies in which they lived before.

Never the less, even though this solved to a certain extent the lack of menial workforce, this still left a serious problem with the shortage of highly qualified workforce.
Which led to the development of the "Immortality Potion", a process by which blank head tumors could be imprinted with the ghosts of the original Mars colonists as well as those of other head tumors.. Which probably involved nanomachine technology as well.
During the time of the original Mars settlers "the Jinn of Mars" this process and technologies were used with responsibility and care and resulted in an extremely well balanced government/economy that was focused solely on the technological and economical development and terraforming of Mars for eventual human habitation.

When the Nine Kings came, stole the Immortality potion and the Iris Methos and then turned on each other, they turned those technologies in the direction of war and oppression.
The socket bodies into which the Head Tumors were inserted weren't human like full body cyborgs(because this would mess with Tiger Sauer being the first to really use a cybernetic body for warfare), but rather, tanks, planes.. missiles.
And most importantly sub control modules for the Ethnarks.

After the War of the Nine Kings ended, King Elfriede decided that since there no longer any issue with population shortage Head Tumor technology was likely to cause more trouble than benefit and so suppressed all knowledge of it and erased it from commonly known history.
In regards to the Immortality potion technology, which was useless in it's current form without the head tumor's but could potentially be developed to affect normal brains, King Elfriede couldn't come to a decision and so decided to seal it away.

The TGIV treatment developed from leftover technologies that were used to force complience on the weaponized head tumors.
Once the Immortality potion resurfaced, work started on applying it normal brains.
Or something like that...

The Four Eyed Eagle, Muster and the MBV:

Spoiler:

At the end of Muster's backstory ark it's mentioned that he gained his "must do evil to atone for my misfortune's enlightenment" only after he was saved from the brink of death for the second for the second time.
Which brings up the question of why and by whom he was saved for the second time.
And a possible answer to that is that it was the handy-work of the MBV.
In which case it's possible that the Four Eyed Eagle was also given to Muster by the MBV.

[Martin]

I'm cool dude