Sergio wrote:Int 29Ah wrote:
However, Captain Freud is giving me a hint that you belong to these people, because you've got offended.
Yes, you DID offend ME.
Interesting. I remember you saying that Freud was sick exactly because he would see sexual perversion in everything. Now I can finally understand. It is YOUR problem. I daresay that a doll is a doll, simply; as well as a cigar is a cigar, nothing else.
I apologize, although I've just stated my opinion about it - nothing personal or against you directly.
Yes, I've previously said that Freud was a sexually posessed sick bastard. But this doesn't stop me from using small parts of him which are neutral, even if I disagree with him fundamentally. Yes, I don't share most of his ideas, his stand point, but still he is someone to listen to for a small ones, even with all that filth he has inside his books.
In this topic, my reference to Freud had absolutely nothing to do with any sexual side of him (read that sentence you've quoted one more time). Why I've mentioned Freud is that he has one really good thought about a subconscious reaction to an irritant. You can't deny it - if someone says something that goes against your opinion, you get offended.
That's obvious: if someone has reacted with offence to an instigatory statement, this clears all the doubts. And I really doubted you being serious about it, so I've just put my thought straightforward, I didn't wrap it to be more-or-less smoother. But still, this really was my opinion about the subject.
No, this is not my problem. This argument from your side is like an old russian proverb - "You notice the mote on someone else's eye, but can't see the whole timber log in your own.".
I don't use double standards, this is just wrong - I agree with Kant at this view.
The point is that YOU percept this being right, just because here we are in an anime forum. You watch animes, you communicate with the people supporting it, who share your ideas and interests, you are sucked into it, you form your opinion appropriately - just as a subcultural middle-ground. Yes, you have your own opinion (everyone has), but you can't deny the influence.
What about me - I'm judging at it all from a complete spectator point of view - as a person, who does not watch animes at all, and tries to stay out of that culture as far as possible.
Let me explain it further:
Normally, if you come to a psychiatrist and say something like "I want to buy a life-size doll, which looks like a child" - you'll get to a room with a soft walls in no time. If you tell the same thing to your friends, to your relatives, to your collegues - they will doubt your normality.
This all is possible on ONLY ONE condition - if all these people know nothing or have even never heard about anime and it's surrounding culture. If they know about it, they will tell you (even the psychiatrist) something like "Ah, you're the anime addict. You are perfectly normal then, nothing to worry about.".
It all depends on a pre-set context you come in to, formed about you by others, even without a secondary actions from you part. Everyone has it, this context varies from one subgroup to another, this is called the overall picture of you, a side look. In some groups you are considered normal, in others you don't, moral values differ between the groups, respect towards you and so forth - everyone knows it, no need to explain it - this is just incredibly obvious. Part of your context is that you are an anime fan and this explains everything for everyone - they percept you differently. That's why they will never tell you that is not right, even if they disagree with you - knowledge of you being an anime fan makes their response more open minded. I think, you understand it on your own, there is no need to explain it.
What I mean about this discussion of ours is that ALL THIS IS NORMAL. It's me outstanding from this exact group, not you. That's why that post of yours wasn't followed by a reaction of a community, but just mine - you thought that I belong to a group, but I don't. And this is absolutely normal, from my side, and from yours too. It's mine opinion that does not conform to an average opinion of the given group. But in a broader group, your opinion on THIS EXACT SUBJECT would stand out, just because they are not anime fans, although they know that you are (your context).
And Freud has nothing to do with it at all, it's the William Graham Sumner, one of the biggest sociologists of groups:
As soon as A observes something which seems to him to be wrong, from which X is suffering, A talks it over with B, and A and B then propose to get a law passed to remedy the evil and help X. Their law always proposes to determine what C shall do for X, or in the better case, what A, B, and C shall do for X.... What I want to do is to look up C.... He is the man who never is thought of.
Simplifying: If A and B (who represent the average group opinions) agree about X, they don't take in account the existance of C's opinion, which differs. And when C comes, he is a dissident.
PS.
Anyway, I'm not trying to get at you nor "play a smart guy" - I'm just trying to prove a point. Don't take this seriously, I really don't want to offend you or make you uncomfortable. And I respect you, really.
I suggest, it would be wise close this discussion, it will lead nowhere - just like all our discussions, only nerves will be severed and tons of crap produced.
