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hepar wrote: What I hate the most is when they screaming their attacks everytime.

Gally tends to do that quite often.

Now that you mention it, it looks to me like Gunm fights have been turning too much "dbzish" recently.
When he fought Alita and Zazie, Toji used natural elements to his advantage, and proved to be a cautious and thinkful fighter. But since the fight against Anomaly, it's been growing up to massive scale attacks. Then Taraba joins the team, and it's even worsening the deal: he's just another insanely powerful electromagnetic karate fighter. I don't fancy much that kind of fights that favor power rather than tactics and techniques.
Those super-heavy-overwhelmingly-destructive-electromagnetic combos should not be used so often.

Twitchywrote wrote:Also, is it just me, or is Rakan's arm in a sort of improbable position behind him? I mean, it looks like it's bent at an abnormal angle. Is this another feature on his poison-filled body?

Well Rakan is an adept at bending his members in strange position, to begin with, but that one is not so surprising (I can do it too, I just checked). Just try to but your left arm behind your back, raise it as far as you can and turn the thumb against your shoulder.

I must admit i feel the loss of the origina BAA when the fights where only the outer manifestation of an inner process of gained revelation, and not only a fraggaslashingbanging rumble of super martial arts.

Luckily it seems like the four karate guys are far over the level of any other fighter in the planetary sistems, except for, maybe, Caella Sanguis and the survived punzer knust masters. So we can hope that if we ever see the end of the ZOT, which i bet wouldn't be Space Angels Vs Space Karate, but some kind of riot out of their alligiance against Ladder, we will be done with boring flashbacks and pointless rumbles and start again with real story.

To my personal taste, anyway, those bunch of karate weirdos is just a big boring flop in the story.

Cailon wrote:Why are some people that much afraid of power levels? Is it only because Toriyama once fucked it up by starting at power levels of 300 and ended up at 10 million? Well ok, that wasn't fun anymore, but who says, that this happens everytime?
You have power, you can measure this power: in newton, in tons per mm² or whatever. Why shouldn't the GUNNM universe have the possibility to measure ones power? 9000, so what? Its not 9000 anything, I bet Kishiro thought well about a unit. And even if Alita maybe one day has 12.000 x, she will never have 10 mill. (at least i hope so).

life is no 'Top Trumps' game. When you start this stuff you end with a (probably good selling) card game - and loose good story with characters far more complex than these numbers.

I'm in free climbing. Over all I master 6a/6b at the moment. My strength is like of te guys of 6c/7a. My technique is in total lower and very different - sometimes very good but lacking some moves. Additionally, since a year I have a bad knee - so in some regards I'm around 4, sometimes I master small passages around 7. And never underestimate willpower, form of the day and just luck. Though, you cannot predict the outcome if you don't try it in real.

If you start with level gauges, the people want them respected - but life is more complicated. And some time ago, Alita was more complicated than just special attacks, too. I only hope its gets more in this direction again. In the first books, she had a lover, a 'dad' and a life. Fighting was one part of it - even if it was a great part. Now it gets more into only fighting with some constructed story around - my opinion

By the way, I was wondering.
GLO first started as the manga version of what Yukito Kishiro wrote for the Playstation game, and, as he admited himself, quite deviated from that to become it's own little story.
My question is : How far are we from the video game story right now? Did the ZOTT happened? Caerulae? Toji? Zechs? M'Badi? Do they exist in some form in the game, too? What should we expect for the future? More fight? More politic? More galactic wars? I'm really curious.

According to Wikipedia Caerula Sanguis is "in the cast", but so are Ido and Figure 4, so i guess story is pretty different I couldn't find a plot summary anyway.

Wow, this is my first time. I´m here to say that I do have the PS game.

It spans the 9 original volumes from Battle Angel Alita, from her time as a Hunter-Warrior (with Makaku and Yugo), to Motorball, to the Berzerker Zapan arc, up to the Tuned saga.

After getting blown up by Nova ay Granite Inn, she goes up to Salem (Tiphares) and rescues Lou. But instead of meeting Melchizedek, she has to fight a supercomputer called Super Dogma. After defeating it, she rides the spaces elevator to Jeru (Ketheres) with Nova.

And by the way, in the game, there is a solar system martial arts tournament like the ZOTT in Ketheres, but it´s a one on one battle where Alita must fight a miniboss that represent a planetary or lunar government. There are six minibosses in the tournament.

And guess what? Alita wins the tournament becoming the solar system champion. Afterwards she goes to Levithan 1 and Mars.

And another thing, Caerula Sanguis doesn´t appear anywhere in the story. But I think Caerula a based on Garuede, a character that does appear in the game.

Dream wrote:By the way, I was wondering.
GLO first started as the manga version of what Yukito Kishiro wrote for the Playstation game, and, as he admited himself, quite deviated from that to become it's own little story.
My question is : How far are we from the video game story right now? Did the ZOTT happened? Caerulae? Toji? Zechs? M'Badi? Do they exist in some form in the game, too? What should we expect for the future? More fight? More politic? More galactic wars? I'm really curious.

More politics please, I don't see what else Alita could do than go to Mars and help with the chaos out there (probably helping the Royal Council of Mars and re-establishing the Panzer Kunst colonies).

And I totally agree with spacey, life (so fighting and surviving) is not about things like power levels. Things like emotions, moral ideas, cunning and even luck are far more powerful than mere power, where DBZ screwed up with the power levels is that once someone got less power than another one then he already lost (like Cell against Super Vegeta), nothing can save him, not even its beliefs, its intelligence, nothing... Which is just plain wrong and not interesting.

> But I think Caerula a based on Garuede

Maybe names have been changed in translation

In the game, Garuede is the fighter who defeated Gally back when she was the Panzer Kunst terrorist Yoko, kind of like Caerula in Last Order. And Alita and Garuede fight again in Ketheres, also like Caerula.

The difference is that Caerula is an 800 year old female vampire who is a master of Kung Fu. Meanwhile, Garuede is an android with a male Super Fizziroy body (like Sechs and Zekka, athough these two don´t appear in the game), expert in the art of Mondo, an anti-Panzer Kunst martial art.

Cailon wrote:Why are some people that much afraid of power levels? Is it only because Toriyama once fucked it up by starting at power levels of 300 and ended up at 10 million? Well ok, that wasn't fun anymore, but who says, that this happens everytime?
You have power, you can measure this power: in newton, in tons per mm² or whatever. Why shouldn't the GUNNM universe have the possibility to measure ones power? 9000, so what? Its not 9000 anything, I bet Kishiro thought well about a unit. And even if Alita maybe one day has 12.000 x, she will never have 10 mill. (at least i hope so).

dude, you missed something : nanohacking

alita is, as said by dr nova, the strongest character in line. she is his chef d'oeuvre, he made everything he could to "launch her" in her karmic destiny and now acknowledge she is the strongest (+ jupiter core power in her chest !! can cut jeru like butter ...).

well he only thought it actually, but trinidad was completely powerless in front of her, a mere flesh living being ...

up to her to manage her power but she is definitely 500 000 right now ...

hepar wrote:

Also, my main complaint about powerlevel is that it makes battles far too predictible, with horrible dialogue and people screaming at numbers instead of techniques. That's just poor and lazy writting.

What I hate the most is when they screaming their attacks everytime.

in the heroic-fantasy books, attacks don't have names this is not manga but spells for example, or "words of commands", the summonings are all examples of words used to focus one's mental power to execute an action or accomplish a ceremonial/curse...

i found that i can cope with this "attack screaming" annoyance when i think at these HF books examples.

hope it helps.


ps : i'm not sure alita is screaming anything, she remembers the attack name in the instant she uses is. yoko's attacks names are written in a style that is usual in the manga drawing code, figuring thougths. i can't really explain but check some chapters, and the attack name surrounding, you'll see what i mean

Dream wrote:By the way, I was wondering.
GLO first started as the manga version of what Yukito Kishiro wrote for the Playstation game, and, as he admited himself, quite deviated from that to become it's own little story.
My question is : How far are we from the video game story right now? Did the ZOTT happened? Caerulae? Toji? Zechs? M'Badi? Do they exist in some form in the game, too? What should we expect for the future? More fight? More politic? More galactic wars? I'm really curious.

beating the fan-translated game (jap psx iso, translated in english by fans, like chapters translations, you can find on p2p) is on my todo list, i'm currently waiting for my rpg-partner to finish re-reading all (G big size reedition + retail GLO + rippersanime chapters)

Burning Angel wrote:In the game, Garuede is the fighter who defeated Gally back when she was the Panzer Kunst terrorist Yoko, kind of like Caerula in Last Order. And Alita and Garuede fight again in Ketheres, also like Caerula.

The difference is that Caerula is an 800 year old female vampire who is a master of Kung Fu. Meanwhile, Garuede is an android with a male Super Fizziroy body (like Sechs and Zekka, athough these two don´t appear in the game), expert in the art of Mondo, an anti-Panzer Kunst martial art.

the zott TV "fight specialist" is in the game too, i laughed when i saw that in the "big size retail Gunnm" bonuses

--the zott TV "fight specialist" is in the game too, i laughed when i saw that in the "big size retail Gunnm" bonuses--

Yes, it´s true. But in the game, Hegeor Hopper, the Martial Arts Historian, didn´t appear in the tournament. He appears on Mars, studing the Panzer Kunst. In the game, he even wrote a book about the origins of the Panzer Kunst.

Burning Angel wrote:--the zott TV "fight specialist" is in the game too, i laughed when i saw that in the "big size retail Gunnm" bonuses--

Yes, it´s true. But in the game, Hegeor Hopper, the Martial Arts Historian, didn´t appear in the tournament. He appears on Mars, studing the Panzer Kunst. In the game, he even wrote a book about the origins of the Panzer Kunst.

O god. I didn't knew that. Now THAT is a character I'd want to be developped in the manga.

He is pretty smart too, he also defied the Whophon guy's illusions in the early stages of the ZOT when basically anyone else but Mbadi fell for them

Yeah, Hopper even went with Alita to Phobos moon on Mars to visit Tiger Sauer´s grave (the man that founded Panzer Kunst).

Ahh, by the way, in the game, the founders of Panzer Kunst, Tiger Sauer included, were flesh and blood humans, like Figure Four. They developed Panzer Kunst to defend themselves from the cyborgs. I think Tiger Sauer and his followers were a group of Martian miners who rebeled themselves against the cyborg guards, kind of like the PC game called Red Faction.

Burning Angel wrote:Yeah, Hopper even went with Alita to Phobos moon on Mars to visit Tiger Sauer´s grave (the man that founded Panzer Kunst).

Ahh, by the way, in the game, the founders of Panzer Kunst, Tiger Sauer included, were flesh and blood humans, like Figure Four. They developed Panzer Kunst to defend themselves from the cyborgs. I think Tiger Sauer and his followers were a group of Martian miners who rebeled themselves against the cyborg guards, kind of like the PC game called Red Faction.

O boy, that's even more awesome. I truly hope Kishiro is gonna keep at least part of that. I wonder what kind of dialogs could Gally and Hopper have.

Found some infos in ritual forum:
It's a combat chapter:
Toji is defeated bye some liquid that constitute one of his opponent.
Tabara fights well but is defeated by a clone of Toji, who is in fact Homme de Feu.
And no sign of Zekka. ^^

Hramm. You are going to clean this chapter also? You did a great job on 80.

NP.
The phase 80 was easier to clean than the 77, better quality of scan and not so much script inside the drawing. ^^

Err... Do we have Raw?

crazyankan wrote:Hramm. You are going to clean this chapter also? You did a great job on 80.

I agree the cleaning was great. Do you have any idea about the translation?

hepar wrote:Err... Do we have Raw?

Good point. How can I ask about a translation if even the raw was not made available by celestial authorities?

i scan the raw this afternoon, i promess.
He is just by my scanner, but i was too lazy. sorry

Hadora: GREAT!
Do you do the scans for ritual?

Gunnm c81

absolutely not. I don't scan anything for ritual. Sometimes when they don't find the raws on japaneses's p2p i buy and scan a chapter. Only series scanlated by my team

Moreover, now i "manage" the new version of raw-paradise.com

What do you think about the new design? (it isn't finish yet but the most important things are here)