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Silvery wrote:Thank you for the chapter!

And, uhh, sorry to be that person, but I'm kinda glad this arc is finally over.

MrFaber wrote:Goodby Muster. You have been a pointless, utterly endless subplot no one wanted, but we loved you.

MrFaber wrote:but we loved you.

kamugin wrote:

MrFaber wrote:but we loved you.

We?!? There are no "we" here! Speak about yourself!

Spoiler:

The panel with Muster's and Kagura's skeletons interwined was interesting, a couple embraced by hate, not love. Well done, kishiro.

"The grand drama has JUST begun"!?! Fuck you! Fuuuck you, Kishiro!!! Better start showing some kick ass panzer kunst action next or we will burn you in a stake!

How many of you agree that this Muster's arch was the worst in Gunnm saga?

00_unit wrote: it was better than the orphanage arc, the only interesting thing in that arc is alita being an orakel and the potential about flammarion, also the only thing i learnt from Muster arc, is showing how erica is going to become a bitch and the secret treasure whenever that will show up for god knows how long

kamugin wrote:

00_unit wrote: it was better than the orphanage arc, the only interesting thing in that arc is alita being an orakel and the potential about flammarion, also the only thing i learnt from Muster arc, is showing how erica is going to become a bitch and the secret treasure whenever that will show up for god knows how long

To me, what you call "the orphanage arc" is nothing but part of Muster's arch and that ruthless killing of children was on the bad taste side. With it's slug progression, annoying main character (in spite of not being totally uninteresting), lame action sequences, far stretched plot to explain Yoko's origin and many unanswered questios left, this arch deserves 7/10 rotten tomatoes!

jjaquinta wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:07 am I think you guys are being too harsh.

kamugin wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:07 am

jjaquinta wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:07 am I think you guys are being too harsh.

Don't you understand? We like to be harsh! (Me at least, there are a lot of soft and tender harted guys here) If I were to read Muster's arch after it was finished, at once, probably I wouldn’t hate it so much, I would just feel it was inferior to the previous arches, probably it will leave a feeling that Kishiro lost his touch.

Spoiler:

Zoe's destiny is another of the many loose tips in this arch (another reason to hate it). Why she spared the girls, just because of Erica's speech? Gimme a break!

jjaquinta wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:07 am I think you guys are being too harsh. I can't rate the Muster arc compared to the rest. I feel different things about them at different times. Both the Vilma back story arc and the Zott both seemed interminable. But I've made my peace with them.

Spoiler:

I'm glad Zoe survived. She was somewhat interesting. I wonder if she has a role in the "Grand Drama".

00_unit wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:33 amwe have an old saying we boo ,because we want to cheer

Abaddon wrote: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:49 pm The post-apocalyptic future never looked so clean before!

nick15 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:23 am I didn't mind the Muster arc as a concept, but it would've been better if it was summarized into a single book. I mean, consider that this past arc was only maybe a couple months of Yoko's story at most, and yet it covers like 4 or 5 books... but the whole history of the Farrells, the family who basically set this world in motion (along with the Vampires), covering some 100 years, filled only two books. As much as I will never not enjoy Kishiro's work, his sense of pacing definitely needs some work.

MrFaber wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:25 am I think the panzer kunst arc will be something like a panel at the end of one of the next arcs in which Kishiro will write "...and they spent the next 10 years training in Panzer Kunst". And then he'll start a new, totally unrelated, arc about a random homeless kid who wants to become the greatest fisher ever of the martian artificial lakes.

kamugin wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:55 am

nick15 wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:23 am I didn't mind the Muster arc as a concept, but it would've been better if it was summarized into a single book. I mean, consider that this past arc was only maybe a couple months of Yoko's story at most, and yet it covers like 4 or 5 books... but the whole history of the Farrells, the family who basically set this world in motion (along with the Vampires), covering some 100 years, filled only two books. As much as I will never not enjoy Kishiro's work, his sense of pacing definitely needs some work.

My theory, that I've mentioned in the past, is that Kishiro was tired of Gunnm, he wanted to drawn a different kind of story, however he couldn't put Gunnm on hiatus. Kentaro Miura is always putting Berserk on hold, so meanwhile he could drawn his own mecha story: "Gigantomachia" that wasn't bad by itself and lasted just one volume, in spite of he left a hook that can make him go back to it later. Kishiro, by his time, wanted to drawn some pirate story with treasure hunt and all (perhaps he is a fan of "One Piece"), so he crammed it into Gunnm to avoid putting it on hiatus.