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MrFaber wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:26 pm I wanted to open this topic to recap a bit what's going on on Mars Chronicle and trying to imagine where next arcs are going to go.

First of all, what's going on in the 'present'?

1) We know that Grunthal wasn't completely destroyed in the purge but the very leader of the Panzer kunst and what it looks like to be the headquarters of the organization survived as necrosoldiers and they seem to be up to seizing control of the planet. Or at least they work as mercs for someone who's up to that.
2) There might be a Gally impersonator who tried to kill Limeira or staged the thing to raise tension. Or Gally herself could have been the even the culprit?
3) Someone whanted Caerula out of the scene and they tried to blow her up (she is alive, no one believed for a second she's dead)
4) There is this Deisen which now, anticlimatically, is the mastermind behind everything and we literally know nothing about it.
5) The quantum supercomputers are trying to keep order and Gynoid Gally works for them
6) Gynoid Gally is teaming up again with Supernova to reverse the necrosoldier procedure for Erika who, by the way, has been killed 200 years before by Yoko.
7) Actual Gally is on the Earth surface making a non stop stream of babies with Figure Four and, i guess, she's surprisingly out of the games.

Did i miss anything? Maybe what Zappa Terracotta and his company is after?

While in the 'past'...

1) Munster found the treasure of Mars which appears to be a longevity technologi, so, Mathuzalization? So early? Maybe an unfinished version of it?
2) Yet another militar force is developing Necrosoldiers
3) The Grunthal organization is selling shoes and merc services
4) Yoko and Erikan can't even strike a punch yet.

So, what's going to happen next?

Will we see a sort of Panzer Kunst training montage and we'll go a few years after?
Wil we see why Yoko killer Erika?
Will we learn more about Maulwurf operation?
Will we finally see who's Deisen in the past?
Will we keep seeing random new cool looking characters and a story that doesn't seem to go anywhere?
Will we see many more "penis guns"?

But above all, how many tankobon there will be yet?

EricaFan wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:46 pm Unye is the true inventor of "real" Panzer Kunst. Obviously those opinions were meant as joke, after all we already see Gelda use R.P.K. before.
However, like Keun said "The fact that a fighting style is not known is an advantage, right?".
The reason the Dejah Thoris liberation looked like a circus performance was probably because that's exactly what it was meant to be: A publicity stunt made in front of a large audience (the town's entire population) that would be most likely recorded, broadcast all across mars and analyzed by their enemies frame by frame to try and deduce the secrets of the P.K. .
In "serious" Gruntal operations were R.P.K. is used, the standard M.O. is probably to leave behind no witnesses or recordings.
That is probably why Keun is being questioned right off the bat if he was responsible for killing half of the soldier in the public square: to chide him for using R.P.K. in the open, and, to suggest that if all he wanted was to remove enemy presence from the town, he should have requested for a few elite Kunstlers to come in the dead of night and massacre everybody with stolen shoelaces instead of a large detachment of their forces coming in broad daylight to make a sparkly show of force that would afterwards incur the cost and headache of dealing with P.O.W.'s and equipment retrieval.

As for Unye:
1. In log 40 there is a short exchange between Erica and the TGIV girl about how does it feel to be controlled and the TGIV girl essentially describes it as an O.B.E. thing, this seems a rather clear indication that Unye also underwent TGIV treatment or something similar to it.
2. Before that in log 39, Something about Unye seems to remind Keun about his dead girlfriend Wami, and while eavesdropping on Keun's story about Wami's mysterious death she feels pain and sadness that she can't understand, also she is unsure as to why she stole the NNN diary, and in addition to all that her fighting style essentially is R.P.K., all this seems to suggest that Mr or rather Mrs fairy is actually Wami's "ghost".
3. Also Unye being able to see what's going on in the TGIV modification room after her body left it coupled with Ngala later on mentioning how he watched the surveillance footage of her performance seems to indicate that in fairy mode she has the ability to remotely hack into and view surveillance systems.
4. Also in log 40 Unye mentions that she wants to be a spaceship navigation officer like her parents, which suggests that her parents were part of the original crew of the Dejah Thoris and that Unye is thus a Dejah Thoris native.

How to connect all that I'm not sure.
Also, Wami had acrophobia whereas Unye seems to really like jumping from high places, this seems like a contradiction, but maybe in the last few seconds of her life the terror of plunging to her death has pushed Wami's fear of heights beyond the limit of rationality and made her enjoy the feeling of falling from a great height instead .. or something like that..

P.S.
I'm a troll that likes talking to itself, I'll probably make a few more rant posts and then leave, sorry for the bother.

EricaFan wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:23 pm Wouldn't it be convenient to keep links to previous speculation threads that are still relevant in the O.P. like this one:
Who is Dasein?


In the end of BAA:LO Jupitan and Melchizedek ally to form the quantum convergence and make Alita their agent, also Caerula is kind of on their side as well.. don't you think this is a bit overpowered? Wouldn't there need to be an opponent on the same level to make things interesting?

The first few posts in Who is Dasein point out preisterin Mui as a very likely candidate, in log 10 her interactions with Caerula have a bit of a mocking and challenging vibe to them so I think it's likely that she is Caerula's target/oponent, but, against the Arthur+Jupi combo there would be a need for something more : the Saule network.
ES 50: The first two Quantum Brain Simulators: Pendragon and then it's successor Merlin are built under military oversight.
ES 54: Merlin predicts the Geo Catastrophe, is ignored, the Q.B.S. research team breaks up.
ES 55: The Geo Catastrophe happens and Q.B.S. development stops/slows to a crawl for at least 80 years.
Or does it?
ES 53: First emigration to Mars.
Would it be too farfetched to presume that rather than ignoring Merlin's predictions, some of power factions at the time concluded that there was no way to prevent the meteor impact and thus chose to move to Mars taking the Q.B.S. tech with them.
ES 218: Orbital elevator is complete and space colonization starts.
ES 235: Construction of full scale colony on Mars begins.
ES 253: Mars Great King Elfriede signs the Baldachin Non-Aggression Treaty with the MBV.
And here is the big question: Are the MBV a product of the new migration that started in ES 218, or, are they the product of the original emigration way back from ES 53?
Because if it's the later and if the Saule Network is a Q.B.S. that has been running and quietly spreading it's influence for all this time, that could be a power that could go toe to toe with the Arthur+Jupi combo.

EricaFan wrote: Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:15 am With the "next time we meet I'll kill you" declaration happening right before the sortie of operation maulwurf when did Alita have time to kill Erica?

A simple and boring answer is that Jupi provided Alita with detailed recordings of Gruntal's destruction and identifying Erica among the corpses Alita concludes that since the destruction was caused by her screw-up, she is therefor responsible for Erica's death.
However, aside from being boring, there are a few things about this that feel a bit off:
At the beginning of BAA:LO Nova says that Alita now has the memories that were previously blocked, which can be understood as memories that she suppressed by intent, and it is only after this that she starts remembering about Erica at all.
Even then, the memories that she recalls are only the "good times" when they were training together as kids, at the same time, she keeps on mentioning that she has a deep pain in her heart that she has forgotten, she mentions this even after learning/remembering that she is essentially a mega-mass-murder who is also responsible for Gruntal's destruction and that she no longer posses an organic brain.
This suggests that her memory of killing Erica should be something more profound than just logically concluding that Erica probably died in something that was from a certain point of view might be her responsibility.
Also in the panel depicting her execution there are several atmospheric entry trails and not just one.
And also, if I'm not mistaken, in the original BAA Alita's arrival on Earth was associated with an attack by Mars forces on the orbital elevator.

So my guess(... short fanfic that completely ignores everything that happened in the original BAA and stretches to the extreme what was shown in LO an MC ...) at how things went on is something like this:

After beginning their P.K. training Erica quickly realizes that the majority of Gruntal's forces are just cannon fodder clowns and if she wants to survive and protect Yoko she needs to make it to the top of Gruntal's food chain. Consequentially she pushes herself to the limit and remembering the times that they got separated and the times that Yoko had to act on her own she keeps Yoko as her permanent sparring partner and pushes her to the limit as well.
On the darker side of things, despite Muster's best efforts, Erica is not inherently evil, Yoko's innocence and the belief that everything she does is for the sake of Yoko's happiness and well-being is like a drug that allows Erica to cope with how wretched and rotten her own existence is. Consequentially, behind Yoko's back, Erica does everything she can to crash not only anyone who tries to mistreat or bully Yoko but also any whom she perceives as trying to take Yoko away from her.
As a result Erica and Yoko become a team and start breaking records, quickly advancing through the ranks and becoming the most celebrated up and coming Kunstler Elites.

Like Tzykrow, most people around them assume that Erica is a genius overachiever and that Yoko is nothing more than a useless crybaby that Erica uses as her punching and pet toy.
The only two people who realize the reality of the relationship between Yoko and Erica are Gelgt and Gelda.
Gelgt is entirely happy with the situation, believing that before too long Yoko and Erica would become Gruntal's strongest weapons and that by exploiting Erica's psychological dependence on Yoko and Yoko's mindless following of Erica he would be able to perfectly control them.
Gelda believes that the situation between them is dangerous and unhealthy and keeps warning Gelgt that the sharper the blade the easier it breaks, that the balance between them is far more fragile than it seems and that what he's going to end with is a pair of shattered wrecks.
Gelgt keeps their training as intense as he can and before too long starts sending them on the most dangerous missions that he thinks they can handle.
Gelda while maintaining a training routine to satisfy Gelgt tries to do what she can to make Yoko more independent and Erika more trusting towards the people around her.
Yoko gets closer to Gelda in whom she sees a mother figure, Erica gets closer a provider of the power that she needs to protect Yoko.

Secretly, behind the scenes and in the background, Gelgt is working for the MBV and as the basic necrosoldier treatment nears completion, the MBV starts pressuring Gelgt to covert the entirety of Gruntal into necrosoldiers. Despite being generally an efficiency over emotions type of person he finds the idea distasteful and keeps stalling.

By the time operation Maulwurf is commissioned, as a team Erica and Yoko are among Gruntal elites and the initial plans for the operations involve the two of them being the corner stone of the operation.
Gelda disliking the operation as a whole and stating openly that it is a clear act of terrorism that would greatly stain Gruntal's reputation, is vehemently opposed to involving Erica and Yoke in it at all, let alone making them the center of it, claiming that it would turn them into monsters that Gruntal won't be able to control.
Gelgt believing that this operation is crucial for Gruntal's growth and future starts seeing Gelda as a decisive factor and a bother and decided to kill three birds with one stone by submitting Gelda to the necrosoldier procedure: To take Gelda out of the picture until the operation completes, to appease the MBV by performing the operation on one of Gruntal's top elites, and, to use the Gelda to gauge if the necrosoldier control mechanism really is just a harmless safety switch like the MBV claim it to be and that otherwise the procedure is nothing more or less than a way to bring dead kunstlers back to life, or, if the control mechanism is actually something the MBV intend to use to turn all of Gruntal into mindless obidient zombies.

To "prepare" Gelda for the treatment, Gelgt inflames Erica's paranoid feelings that Gelda is trying to separate her from Yoko and then orders her to sabotage a mission that she, Yoko and Gelda are going to carry together in a manner that would result in Gelda's death.
This little scheme ends up having two consequences that Gelgt failed to expect, a mildly beneficial one, and a completely disastrous one:
The mildly beneficial consequence is that seeing Gelda, a pillar of strength that Yoko believed to be unbreakable and unbeatable, die in front of her eyes, makes Yoko start "waking up" and start seeing rather than merely watching how fragile and cruel the world around her is, which in turn makes her redouble her training.
The completely disastrous one is that believing that Gelda's death was a result of her own weakness, Yoko start being afraid that she is a burden and a bother to the other person on whom she has been leaning all her life - Erika, as a result Yoko starts distancing herself from Erika, in turn, like Gelda predicted from the very start, this sudden rejection starts breaking Erika's psychological equilibrium.

As the preparations for operation Maulwurf progress the teamwork between Erica and Yoko falls apart and Erica starts being more and more erratic and unstable.
Seeing Erika's deteriorating mental state Gelgt decides to take her off the operation and starts looking for someone else to replace her as Yoko's partner.
Humiliated, unwilling to accept the thought of Yoko being able to survive without her and being terrified of losing Yoko forever, Erika confronts Yoko and demands that she should resign from the operation as well.
The two of them start arguing and Erika reveals that she is the one responsible for Gelda's death as well as for everyone keeping their distance from Yoko.
Yoko denounces Erika as an abominable demon and declares that she wished she had blown up in the mine field rather than met her.
Erika flips and beats Yoko half to death, Yoko declares that Erika is nothing more than a wild animal and that after she returns from carrying out operation Maulwurf on her own she is going to put her down.
Erika suffers a complete nervous breakdown and wonders through the halls in fits of hysterical laughter. Gelgt locks her up in detention and goes to talk with Yoko.

Being afraid of completely losing Erika, Gelgt asks Yoko to try and patch things up between them.
Yoko replies that Erika is a weakling just like Gelda was and that they she doesn't need anyone else and can carry out the operation perfectly on her own.
Gelgt realizes that having rejected both Erica and Gelda, Yoko is now probably on the verge of breakdown too, cursing himself for not having headed Gelda's warnings he never-the-less decides that it is now too late to change or delay the operation and that at least in her current state Yoko should indeed be able to carry the operation on her own.
Unfortunately Caerula, an overwhelming enemy factor that Gelgt didn't and couldn't know about happens.

As Triniad isn't around yet, the MBV have a fairly high level of infiltration into Ketheres and thus Gelgt almost immediately discovers about Yoko's failure.
Realizing that the Jupiter Union will most likely disavow and try to destroy Gruntal in order to hide it's own involvement and that the MBV will use that as a pretext to turn all of Gruntal into necrosoldiers, Gelgt decides to take a last ditch gambit to try and salvage the situation by releasing Erika and tasking her with rescuing Yoko and sinking the Orbital Elevator, hoping that the goal of rescuing Yoko would allow Erika to pull herself together and that sinking the O.E. will break or weaken the Orbitary union to the point that the Jupiter Union would see it more beneficial to press it's offensive instead of falling back and trying to play nice.

Initially this works out perfectly, with the promise of using the chaos resultant from the Camlan disaster to carry a lucrative raiding operation on Ketheres, Erika manages to quickly put together a fleet of pirates, mercenaries and other ne'er-do-wells, slip through Orbitary Union forces and arrive just in time to rescue Yoko from her execution.
However, once Yoko is rescued, she and Erika start arguing again and losing focus, Erika messes the timing for the rest of the operation allowing the Orbitary Union to call for reinforcements.
Realizing that there is no longer a chance for victory or escape, Erika shoves Yoko into an escape pod, launches her through the battle debris on a safe atmospheric entry trajectory and rallies the rest of her forces with a false promise of escape in order to distract the Orbitary Union forces and prevent them from noticing Yoko's escape pod descending to earth.

As she falls through the atmosphere, Yoko sees Erika's ship blown to smithereens, during the weeks that follow, as she lies in a pile of junk and her brain starts entering into auto-hibernation mode, Yoko blames herself for Erika's death and now feeling truly and genuinely alone she switches from blaming Erika for her own misery and troubles to blaming herself for all of Erika's misery and troubles, sinking into depression and despair, she starts wishes she never existed in the first place.

Aftermath:
Since the Orbitary Union kept most of the details about the Camlann tragedy secret, what the dwellers on the surface noticed and remembered was the failed direct attack against the space elevator.
By the time the anti Gruntal punitive force was assembled, most of Gruntal's secret data and equipment was removed from their main base in the Night Labyrinth and moves to secondary hidden bases that were never found.
Core personnel were also given evacuation orders, however in order to create a more convincing illusion of Gruntals destruction the MBV ordered the freshly resurrected necro-Gelda to execute them while in transit and return their bodies to the main base.
About a fifth of Gruntal's forces were resurrected as necrosoldiers.
Due to the 13'th Orakel the MBV put great effort into trying to retrieve Erica's and Yoko's corpses from the battle debris in Ketheres, Erika was found, Yoko obviously wasn't.
During Erika's first resurrection as a necrosoldier her memories were left intact, she ended up in an extremely unstable state and was therefor terminated and resurrected again with reducted memories.
During her first short resurrection Erika revealed that Yoko should have safely crash landed on the Earths surface.
Due to tightening security around the orbital elevator and within the Orbitary Unions space, sending a search party to retrieve Yoko was unfeasible and so the MBV concluded that the 13'th Orakel was still in motion and that when the time is right Yoko would resurface on her own...



P.S. :
I like talking to walls .. they listen .. they really do ... and they know .. I know that they know .. but they never tell .. they never ever tell

EricaFan wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 2:16 am Impostor Alita managed to get close to queen Limeira because Mars Kingdom has bad security and queen Limeira acts on the emotional
I can't say much about M.K. security but as for Limeira, oh kind, merciful, emotional, beneficent queen Limeira who is so nice, so very very nice that it feels entirely false.
If you look at Limeira from a slightly different angle you will see that she is as rational, cold and calculating as they come:

1.1. On her very first appearance in the story (to be more precise the 2nd and 3rd page's were she is shown) her dialog is pure sarcasm, and the last panel on the 3rd page suggests that she usually plans and carefully considers every single word she says.
1.2. Then the ventriloquism thing, without greeting, acknowledging or even looking at the other ambassadors, she starts off with a private joke and it is only her servant that first addresses them directly, all that done in a friendly and polite tone but without a hint of apology, is essence, a subtle but direct insult meant to convey that she is queen and they are nothing more than vulgar peasants that are beneath her.
This sort of attitude is of course foolish if her goal is to gain the recognition and support from the R.V. and J.S.U., however, it makes perfect sense if her actual goal is to send Mbadi the message that she needs no one other than himself.
1.3. Which is reinforced by the next sequence which is to a great extent a romantic date between Limeira and Mbadi, at the end of which Mbadi seems to completely open up to her, and looking at his emotional state at the end their date, quite possibly fall for her right there and then.
1.4. Now making the most powerfull guy in the neighborhood and from a certain perspective also your boss fall madly in love with you is already a fairly rational thing to do, but, there is more to it than just that.
1.5. With his body hacking and constant accompaniment of N.O. guards he is essentially impervious to assassination. With his cyberspace supremacy and lack of any personal relations he is essentially immune impervious to blackmail and extortion. He does seem to take bribes, but with the huge amount of bribes he's getting they aren't really going to do that much good. So if your actual goal is to control or get rid of him what is the most viable weakness to exploit? It's the fact that while believing himself to be an absolute pillar of logic, he is in fact very prone to being ruled by his emotions.
1.6. Exploiting this weakness is probably half of the reason for Limeira's existence.

2. Then we come to Limeira recklessly charging into the fight between Alita and Zazie, except there's nothing reckless about it.
2.1. Since Zazie was going to investigate a potentially hazardous situation, it would make sense that her suits comlink was set to auto broadcast and thus Limeira would have heard everything that went on.
2.2. And what went on is that as the fight went on an unknown attacker has manged to outmaneuver Zazie to the point that Zazie saw no choice but to self-destruct in order to take out the attacker with her, however, there was no guarantee that it would actually work and that the attacker won't manage to survive.
2.3. Also, Zazie's initial declaration was that she has caught some stowaways, plural, so as far as Limeira knew there might have been a whole squad of P.K. assassins in the ships cargo hold, so even if Zazie managed to sacrifice herself to take out one of them, the other potential assassins would still likely be able to kill everyone on board.
2.4. Consequentially the last possible moment when Zazie managed to gain a momentary advantage before completely losing was the best time to start trying to negotiate.
2.5. And then starting the buildup towards recruiting the unknown P.K. warrior to for M.K. it is fairly reasonable to assume that Lovely Limeira invited Alita and CO. for tea and cake and then chatted them up and learned a lot about their goals, agendas, personalities and motives.

3. Limeira charitably buys off a platoon of orphans, but is there any actual charity involved?
3.1. What exactly would have happened to the kids if they would have stayed alive and got to Mars, Zazie herself started in one of Leviathan1's Juvenile Infantry Schools, after spending a bit of time with Limeira wouldn't they have decided that they will give their heart and soul for their beneficent savior queen thus ended up becoming M.K. soldiers like Zazie.
3.2. And even if buying the orphans was a net loss in and of itself, wouldn't making Alita feel indebted contribute to the long term goal of recruiting her and thus count as a worthwhile investment.
3.3. And then moving to the darker side of things, wasn't it convenient that the kids died and saved Limeira the trouble of having to transport them to Mars, and again considering that Zazie also started out in a J.I.S. wouldn't it be possible that M.K. actually had backroom dealings with Leviathan1's J.I.S.s and would thus be able to ask for re-compensation at a later time?
3.4. And moving to an even darker side of things, isn't it also very convenient that the kid that caused the whole situation died without giving the slightest bit of explanation as to why he stole Limeira's teddy-bear and then gave it to Alita.
3.5. And then to top it all off, this entire affair gives Zazie and Alita some bonding time, which again contributes for the goal of recruiting Alita.

4. Limeira encourages Zazie to go to the Z.O.T.T. and ask Alita to cure her.
4.1. Is there even any need to say anything, what was the alternative, have Zazie do two or three weeks more of guard duty while counting the seconds until her head explodes?
4.2. And yet there's more to it than that. As far as Limeira knew, Alita's goal at that time was to rescue her friend from the incubator and then go back to the scrapyard find her lover and friends and start a farm on Earth. As such, making her learn that there were still other living P.K. practitioners of Mars could then serve to give Alita the interest to visit Mars sooner rather than later.
4.3. And then the darkness in Lemeira's shadow keeps once you consider, that, not only was it "fortunate" that it was Erika and not some other Kunstler einherjar that was responsible for operating in the area were Zazie went, but also, that circumstances allowed Erika enough time to play with Zazie for the whole "Yoko is alive" issue to come up.

5. And then we come to the assassination attempt.
5.1. Once you consider that Lemeira is very far from being ruled by the "emotional", then putting aside security considerations, wouldn't it have made sense for Leimira to stall "Alita" a little in order to clear up a sizeable portion of her schedule and then invite "Alita" to join her on a tour around the trade habitat and use the opportunity to chat up Alita again and also try to recruit her.
5.2. More importantly than that though if the goal was to secretly turn Lemeira into a necrosoldier, wouldn't an inconspicuous accident be a better choice that an open assassination attempt?
5.3. And why use an Alita impostor for the assassination, with access to einjerhar kunstler's it seems unlikely that this was the only way to get close to Leimira, and there would also be no telling if and when Alita actually learn about the assassination and it would also be uncertain that she did it would make her come rather than stay away from mars.
5.4. Instead, looking at things from a different direction, for anyone who knew of Alita's real goal during the ZOTT, rescuing her friend from LADDERS high security incubator, would there be any doubt that once she learns that her dearest childhood friend was turned into a mind controlled zombie, she would try to find a cure? And after finding the cure and discovering that aside from her childhood friend most of her past comrades and the benevolent queen of Mars to whom she owes so much are also under the same affliction, would she not make both the sickness and the cure public and fight to to return all necrosoldiers to normal.
5.5. The Champion of the ZOTT, the Hero that overthrew Ladder, now saves the Benevolent Queen of Peace as well as Mars's noble and heroic Panzer knights who's name has been unjustly stained for so long .. that would be quite something, right?
5.6. However, in interim between becoming a mind controlled zombie and being cured the great hero of the ZOTT, wouldn't Leimira have the leeway to do something that she normally wouldn't be able to do under the image of the wise and beneficent queen of peace: To quickly and ruthlessly crush all the remaining strongholds that oppose to her rule?
5.7. But that leaves a crucial problem: the scapegoat, someone that is hidden and not well liked but that has left enough footprints behind to be vilified, connected and framed for most of the worst parts of the history of space colonization, someone like .. a vampire..
A centuries old loathsome undead abomination that lived and prospered even as humanity nearly went extinct, a cruel butcher that terrorized the legendary Star City just as humanity was preparing to take it's first steps into space, a cunning thief that stole the Fata Morgana and used it to subvert Malchizedek to her will, a devious puppeter that tricked the noble Kunstlers into committing the greatest act of terror in recorded history and then arranging for their destruction used her vile undead arts to turn them into mindcontrolled zombies, a corrupter that transformed the saintly and chivalrous Mbadi into a heartless tyrant, A monster that under the pretense of running an orphanage turned innocent children into assassins and spies, for wasn't it one of her student's that started the starship cult that used foul vampiric charm to abduct maidens from all across the solar system, wasn't it in one of her students territory that Limeira was turned into a necrosoldier, and wasn't it ever since her own private forces joined the battle that the that her mind controled kunstler troops disappeared from the field of battle? and so on and so forth ...

Dasein's, the MBV's plans run far and deep in both time and space, much further and deeper than Caerula understands.
Limeira is an agent of the MBV, the queen of peace that would unify Mars, her appearance was in one of the 13 orakel's that the MBV revealed to the nobles, a misinterpretation of that orakel is what caused Ninon to believe that she was the destined queen.
The 13'th orakel marking Yoko as the harbinger of change was the last.
Erika's orakel was the first, the shepherd girl: the one that protects the helpless innocent lamb: Yoko, her finding of Mars's hidden treasure would signify the beginning of the orakel's fulfillment her finding happiness would signify the end...

Extra notes:

The magic of the Jinn of Mars is probably nanomachine technology.
The Jinn of Mars itself is probably a teraforming mechanism that the Original Mars Settlers created with the long term goal of acttually teraforming Mars (rather than just incasing it in a planetwide biodome).

The association between Gruntal and the MBV was there from the very start, Tiger Suer did dirty jobs for the MBV and the MBV provided him with cybernetics that were decades ahead of what was available anywhere else which allowed him to start developing advanced cyborg specific martial arts while everybody else were busy trying to figure out how to use their rudimentary cybernetics to dig potatoes.

The MBV are the leftovers/continuation of the OMS, they reproduce asexually like hydras, unlike the other QBS their Saule network is closer to being a gestalt.

The Iris Methos ( the causative agent for the headshaped tumor's ) is an early version of the OMS reproduction mechanism, they needed it because their starting population was too small, but they quickly developed the tech to give themselves cyborg bodies.


P.S.

That is all .. hopefully.. BWAHAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHAH MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA..

EricaFan wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2022 9:13 pm OK, first off, a not entirely small revision about "who is Dasein?":

Spoiler:

Up to now my opinion/vote was 'Dasein = [Priesterin, MBV, Lymeira]' I now revise it to:
Dasein = {
"Tiger Sauer": PRESIDENT,
"Priesterin Mui": [HEAD_OF_R_AND_D, SECOND_IN_COMMAND],
"MBV": [R_AND_D_DEPARTMENT],
"Saule Network": [QUANTUM_BRAIN_SIMULATOR],
"Queen Lymeira": [HEAD_OF_PR_DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC_FACE],
"Mars Kingdom": [PR_DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC_COVER],
"Commander Gelgt": [HEAD_OF_INTERNAL_SECURITY, HEAD_OF_SPECIAL_OPS],
"Einherjar": [INTERNAL_SECURITY, SPECIAL_OPS],
"Space Pirates": [INTERPLANETARY_ROUGH_NEGOTIATIONS],
}

Next, putting aside the "Tiger Sauer" and "Space Pirates" bits aside for a moment I'll continue the "Impostor Alita" == "Pinocchio Alita" thing:

Spoiler:

At first I considered it just a funny crazy idea that wasn't going to happen, but after some more consideration I think it actually ties in quite nicely to some other stuff.
One of the biggest problems with this idea is, how did Dasein learn about Pinocchio Alita in the first place?
[*]One simple possibility is that during their trip to Leviathan I Lymeira chatted up both Alita and Ping Wu, learned pretty much everything about them, told about it to her Dasein comrades and after they mulled about it together for a while at the end of the ZOTT they guessed at Pinocchio Alita's existence. However This feels quite a bit too forced and out of the blue.
[*]Another simple possibility is that Sext or one of Alita's other buddies casually mentioned it within earshot of a Dasein agent. However this feels way too random.
Then, how about Super Nova? I can hear your immediate reply, the same dismissive thought I had myself when this possibility occurred to me "You silly person, It was clearly stated that Super Nova fled leaving Alita's brain in the incubator!".
However, after pondering about it some more, it suddenly struck me: Why phrase it that way? That statement was given during the buildup towards Alita's decision to let go of her organic brain and become last order, Nova's fate wasn't really important at that point, just saying that her brain was still in the incubator would have been enough. Rather by phrasing it that way, it's the lack of the opposite possibility that is being highlighted:
"Super Nova fled to Mars taking your brain with him", So then why wouldn't Super Nova nick Alita's brain while he was jumping off Trinidad's sinking ship? Wouldn't it be because rather than just guessing about it, he would eagerly await the Karmic storm's that would stem from Alita's choice to split herself in two? Seriously, Can't you just hear his demented maniacal laughter the moment the two Alita's confront each other?

That still seems to leave a small problem, when Mui and Alita come to visit Super Nova, Mui phrases things in a manner that seems to indicate that she didn't know Nova and Alita knew each other.
However, isn't it a bit strange? During the ZOTT in the fight with Anomaly, Super Nova very personally attests to Alita's death on prime TV, so it would be quite reasonable to assume that there might be some sort of a connection between and quite possibly bad blood between them. At the very least, Mui should have been aware that Super Nova came from Ketheres/Tipheres and so should have said something along the lines of "Recently there is a talented physician from Ketheres, Dr. Nova, having spent some time there yourself, maybe you've heard of him?"
Quite on the opposite, since the Priesterin and the Gartners supposedly don't have much use for medical tech, why would Mui be aware enough of Nova to suggest him right away anyway?
What I'm trying to say here is that it is already subtly shown that Mui is lying through her teeth to Alita (As well as that Super Nova is already in cahoots with Dasein).

Following all that, there is another problem, how did Dasein manage to kidnap Pinocchio Alita, which brings me to the "Space Pirates" bit:

Spoiler:

At first I thought the last two half chapters "The connection with the pirate guy" were just pointless and side tracking gaiden but after trying to forcefully find some meaningfulness for them I came up with the following:

• If Giapollo could more or less survive atmospheric reentry into Mars with nothing more than a broken spacesuit in the past storyline, It wouldn't be too far fetched for space pirates in the present storyline to be able to dive straight through the Earth's atmosphere, kidnap Pinocchio Alita and then jet-pack straight out, thus, bypassing all of the Earth's orbital rings security and leaving even Arthy and Jupi blind to the fact that Pinocchio Alita has been kidnapped.
• From the very start of BAA:MC there has been a lot of mention of the Northern Expedition. At a passing glance this might seem like nothing more than a way to tie things with Alita's crashed starship memory that was there from way back in the original BAA if I'm not mistaken, however, there might be a bit more to it than just that.
  In the past storyline where Dasein is still in the process of forming up, despite being overall technologically way ahead of Earth, Venus and Jupiter, they are sorely lacking in terms of outer-planetary assets.
  Consequentially, the dark truth behind the northern expedition is that Dasein lured in the space pirates, crushed them at extreme cost with Gruntal and the Mars Nobles, and then, used cybernetic enchantment bribes (the whole "king of mod thing") and early forms of the necrosoldier treatment to turn the strongest of the pirates that survived the conflict into Dasein agents/puppets, and then, had those agents return to the bulk of the space pirates forces and take control of them as Dasein puppets.

And times up and I need to stop this now for now.

EDIT:
Sorry, I'm sleepy so I degenerate to pot shots.

Spoiler:

About Alita getting the D-ripper from Tunpo: Sure, why not, Alita's Imaginos body is already a DeusExMachina fueled by plot device juice, being able to change reality on a whim wouldn't make that much of a difference.

Also in reply to the posts on the other thread:
Another maske tumor/clone of Alita's maske tumor brain being a cool idea: The core of the Saule Network being a maske tumor version of the incubator and the Gartners and the Preisterins being the completed product to which the maske tumor was a prototype is an even cooler idea.
Leviathan V is not a particulary good hiding place in and of itself because of logistics problem's, constantly going there and back without anyone noticing would be a pain.
The Quantum Brain Simulators are indeed in and of themselves fairly boring background story elements, however with Jupi openly and blatantly declaring that the entire Jupiter Union is just his pawn for taking over the entire solar system, and, with Arthy now joining him, any "interesting" and "human level" character would need the backing of an opposing Quantum Brain Simulator to be a relevant antagonist, which is where the Saule Network comes in.
Breed DNA for smarts is genetic engineering, it's meaningful if you want to have biologically smarter humans, if you are going to transcribe the biological brains into brain simulation chips it would be faster and simpler to skip the biological brains and just run an evolutionary selection algorithm straight on/with the brain-chips themselves, the point of Tiphares was to provide biological brains for the incubator.

EDIT:
A slight revision to the original Mars settlers thing and a tiny bit about Tiger Sauer:

Spoiler:

In my original speculation I proposed that the original Mars colony consisted of several hundred/few thousand VIP's wishing to secretly escape the predicted Geo Catastrophe.
I now revise my speculation to the original Mars colony consisting only of a few dozen top of the top scientists and engineers living in a few small research habitats that were only theoretically self sufficient.
The original Mars colony was provided with the best technology available at the time, which among other things included Pendragon and the blueprints for Merlin, however, the colonies overall success and survival estimation was still 2 or 3 orders of magnitude lower than the survival estimations for meteor-impact-proof shelters and vaults back on earth. Thus the aforementioned VIP's didn't escape to Mars but instead used the fanfare around the Mars Colony as a cover for constructing the meteor-impact-proof vaults only for themselves.

After the Geo Catastrophe, despite having the blueprints and the know-how, the Mars Team didn't have the necessary materials to complete a Merlin replica and thus instead they came up with the idea of using their own brains during sleep time to supplement the Pendragon prototype, this in turn developed into the Saule Network and served as the baseline for all of the other modern Quantum Brain Simulators.
As I mentioned before the Maske Tumor thing stemmed from a very limited supply of organic material which made full scale cloning unfeasible at the time. Initially the available cybernetic wasn't good enough to produce full body prosthetics, thus, the Maske Tumors were infused directly into infrastructure and equipment.
To maintain their human identity though, the Mars Team chose a single female member that would undergo full cloning/mitosis, and that the succession of her clones would become the Mars Colonies caretakers and spiritual leaders: The Gartners and the Preisterin.

The Mars Colony's overall technology developed very quickly, however, because they didn't really have any enemies and no real crime, they didn't really develop in terms of military technology. Also because they were focused on transforming Mars they didn't pay much attention to what was going on with Earth.
Consequentially when Earth's colonization fervor begun, the Preisterin at the time was too slow to react. When the first colony ships approached, she broadcast a message stating that the Mars Terra-forming would take a few more centuries to complete and that the Earth colonists should turn back and spend that time rebuilding Earth.
Obviously the Earth Colonists refused and landed on Mars instead, at which point the Preisterin tried to use the Jinn of Mars (which were giant tornadoes consisting of transforming nanobots to scare the colonists away) but this backfired as the Earth Colonists turned hostile instead.

Taking part in the Mars suppression operation, Tiger Sauer went farther and deeper than anyone else and managed to find and break into the Preisterin's headquarters in the Night Labyrinth. After brutally raping and nearly killing her, he took pity and acceded to her pleas to let her and her 'people' live in exchange for her becoming his personal bitch and putting all of her people's technology at his disposal.

Quickly realizing the military potential of the Martian's tech, Tiger Sauer had the Preisterin turn him into a combat cyborg, sparked hostilities between the Earth Colonists, started Gruntal and lay the initial foundation's for Daisen.