James Cameron- Avatar (Alita related)

[moooV]

It's his choise, which is really wise taking in account conditions he is in. However, GLO is heading wrong way, that's for sure.

[sater]

Anyone on this forum who DOESN'T purchase GLO manga?

[Sergio Nova]

Anyone on this forum who DOESN'T purchase GLO manga?

Good question! His allegation does not make sense, simply!

[moooV]

I don't buy it. And I don't see anything criminally about it.
Audience here is not big enough to hurt Kishiro's pocket.

[Sergio Nova]

I don't buy it. And I don't see anything criminally about it.
Audience here is not big enough to hurt Kishiro's pocket.

Hey, the black sheep has announced itself.
Someone call the police!

[moooV]

Someone call the police!

I'm using torrent. =)))
Also, YOU have the most posts here, they'll come after you first.

[Sergio Nova]

Also, YOU have the most posts here, they'll come after you first.

Someone told me that torrents are trackable.
What's the problem is the posts? They simply indicate that I'm not illiterate.

[moooV]

Someone told me that torrents are trackable.

Yes, they generally are, but they are really hard to track. Mostly, it depends on ISP and laws. In my country it's nearly impossible, so I'm safe.

[Sergio Nova]

Someone told me that torrents are trackable.

Yes, they generally are, but they are really hard to track. Mostly, it depends on ISP and laws. In my country it's nearly impossible, so I'm safe.

Nearly impossible?
Well, nearly does not mean completely.
Considering what I have seen in some films about identification systems, I would never dare to go to West Europe or to the USA if I were you.

[moooV]

Someone told me that torrents are trackable.

Yes, they generally are, but they are really hard to track. Mostly, it depends on ISP and laws. In my country it's nearly impossible, so I'm safe.

Nearly impossible?
Well, nearly does not mean completely.
Considering what I have seen in some films about identification systems, I would never dare to go to West Europe or to the USA if I were you.

Those films are fictional. Moreover, are you judging from a documental movie, or a movie like "Die hard 4.0"?
I was really LOLing and ROFLing while I was watching it. =)))


1) Identification systems don't track every torrent. They are used only in cases MPAA or RIAA start digging it. To start this, they usually collect a lot of official complaints from copyrighters (usually, Hollywood) in first place. Also, everyone uses thepiratebay.org and don't give a crap about copyrights, and haven't been sued yet. I can suppose, you are using it too. =)))

2) Torrent system is de-centralised even in it's concept, so tracking people who are using it can be done only by ISP that hosts the torrent tracker (don't trust IP's in a peer list - they are IP's of a subnet you're in, not yours [unless you have a static IP]), which in nearly all cases refuses to co-operate with copyrighters, so there is even a term for this - "abuse-proof hosting". It is used not only for torrents, but for porno, trojan uploading, DDoS'es and lots of other good things.

3) Also, audience of P2P's is giantic, really enomorous. Starting tracking it all is simply impossible and ridiculous. However, China does it on it's territory, and it tracks not only torrents, but everything else, also blocking dissident content. Seriously, it is called a "Great China Firewall". If you don't beleive me, type it into google. =)))

4) I'm really safe from this, considering my level of paranoia, because I always use proxys, TOR, and channel encryption by VPN.


PS. I know what I'm talking about, my univeristy education is "Information security specialist".

[Sergio Nova]

In general terms, I was only making a joke, but, yes, I do believe that Chinese government controls (or at least tries to control) everything. On the other hand, we should ask if it is really possible to control all the web users in a country of almost 1,5billion inhabitants. How many works do they need to control everything? How many supervisors? Meantime, let me ask: who controls the supervisors? In short, it is virtually impossible to impose a perfect system, no matter how hard a dictatorship is.

So you are an "Information security specialist"? Well, from now on I will take care before you track me!!

[bonedaddy]

Hi there. I'm the former translator that was quoted a couple posts ago.

A couple things:

1) Avatar and BAA have nothing to do with each other. I work professionally as a computer graphics artist, and was offered a job on Avatar (and the Hobbit), which I turned down. I know a lot of people who have worked on Avatar. It is Cameron's own project, which was once known as Project 880, which he's been trying to make for around a decade. There is no connection. He is slated to work on BAA after Avatar, but he is a tempestuous one, so nobody knows except him. I have heard a fair amount of pre-production and concept art was done for BAA, but I have seen none of it.

2) Don't ever use "-sama" as a suffix for someone's name. About the only person who uses "-sama" are waiters and people addressing the emperor of Japan.

3) Neither of them speak or read English with any fluency. The English site is achieved through machine translation and light editing.

4) They almost certainly do not know about this site, although the concept of scanslation is not unknown. Most creators tolerate it, like they tolerate dojinshi.

5) It is extremely unlikely to get into any trouble for downloading this stuff. Gunnm is so unpopular in Japan that none of the hundreds of Japanese people I have talked to have ever heard of it, or the magazine it's published in. Most people assume my accent is bad and that I meant to say "Gundam."

[Gallygun]

Hi there. I'm the former translator that was quoted a couple posts ago.

A couple things:

1) Avatar and BAA have nothing to do with each other. I work professionally as a computer graphics artist, and was offered a job on Avatar (and the Hobbit), which I turned down. I know a lot of people who have worked on Avatar. It is Cameron's own project, which was once known as Project 880, which he's been trying to make for around a decade. There is no connection. He is slated to work on BAA after Avatar, but he is a tempestuous one, so nobody knows except him. I have heard a fair amount of pre-production and concept art was done for BAA, but I have seen none of it.


5) It is extremely unlikely to get into any trouble for downloading this stuff. Gunnm is so unpopular in Japan that none of the hundreds of Japanese people I have talked to have ever heard of it, or the magazine it's published in. Most people assume my accent is bad and that I meant to say "Gundam."

Thanks for clearing that up. It's really depressing, though, that GLO/Gunnm is so unknown in it's home country

I heard the Limited Edition Gally figure sold out quickly back in '07, but who knows how many were produced, now that I think of it.

I just hope this doesn't end like Xenosaga; 4 episodes short of an ending. How can it be so unpopular? It's such a far cry from the typical, overdone schoolgirl/ancient samurai them that keeps being rehashed!

Maybe that's the problem. But they like mechs over there! Just the giant ones, apparently

Sorry about the rant. Everything i love seems to end short of it's original plans; I just pray that GLO doesn't.

[moooV]

Gunnm is so unpopular in Japan that none of the hundreds of Japanese people I have talked to have ever heard of it, or the magazine it's published in. Most people assume my accent is bad and that I meant to say "Gundam."

Thanks for clearing that up. It's really depressing, though, that GLO/Gunnm is so unknown in it's home country

Sorry about the rant. Everything i love seems to end short of it's original plans; I just pray that GLO doesn't.

It's a great blessing, you just don't understand it. I repeat: it's a great masterpiece, it mustn't be popular. No way it should. (See discussion about this, I'm really tired of explaining it to everyone).

On the other hand, we should ask if it is really possible to control all the web users in a country of almost 1,5billion inhabitants. How many works do they need to control everything? How many supervisors? Meantime, let me ask: who controls the supervisors? In short, it is virtually impossible to impose a perfect system, no matter how hard a dictatorship is.

It's simple. Imagine this. All China is just one giant LAN, which is gonnected to a single giant gateway (firewall), through which they have a connection to the internet. You don't have to control all computers in the country, it's enough to control the gateway and block wrong content, because inner net is isolated. Gateway is comprised of lots of Cisco stations (FV1 [thousands of them]), hovewer Cisco corporation and it's experts deny their participation in this project. =)))

Yes, it's possible to control this amount of people. It's all done automatically. All passing traffic is analysed, so if something dissident is found, appropriate government structures are informed, and a dissident person is punished. Also, everyone is taught there now, so people don't even dare to exchange dissident information or visit politically wrong web sites. Only way to avoid control is using VPN/TOR channel encryption, but it makes gateway suspicious. =///

Also, here in Russia, idea of creation the same thing is seriously discussed in the parlament, but it won't work here anyway, because the money for creating it will be simply stolen. =)))

[Gallygun]

Gunnm is so unpopular in Japan that none of the hundreds of Japanese people I have talked to have ever heard of it, or the magazine it's published in. Most people assume my accent is bad and that I meant to say "Gundam."

Thanks for clearing that up. It's really depressing, though, that GLO/Gunnm is so unknown in it's home country

Sorry about the rant. Everything i love seems to end short of it's original plans; I just pray that GLO doesn't.

It's a great blessing, you just don't understand it. I repeat: it's a great masterpiece, it mustn't be popular. No way it should. (See discussion about this, I'm really tired of explaining it to everyone).

That's a good philosophy, but it's also a problem, since everything is about sales (unfortunately). If GLO doesn't sell well, it won't get published anymore.

Someone over in Europe on the Yukitopia forums said their bookseller told them that Vol 11 would be the last, possibly referring to it being the last published, and that Gunnm Gaiden would be the rest.

Obviously there is a Vol 12, but will it be published in other countries besides Japan? Vol 11 is coming out in April in the US, but there is no sign of Vol 12 for pre order anywhere. Either there's another huge "break" coming, or something worse D:

[litchi master]

That Gunnm is unpopular in its all country is no news it has always been the case and I have discussed with some fans who simply thought that Kishiro's illness was no more than an excuse to end the manga, or a nervous breakdown due to the lack of sales.
Now it's not because it is not mainstream that it will have to end quickly, you don't start a manga again after years of interruption without a fanbase, if the magazine editor does not believe in you, you are simply not published.
the influence of the editor is tremendous. let's take Naruto for instance, I know it can't be compared with GLO but for the sake of the argument it is a good illustration, as every one may have heard of it. if you think about it a character as important as Sasuke was not part of the author's original concept, it was created during a working reunion.
The editor accepted kishimoto's idea but modified it so that it met his requirements of what shonen should be like. (there is a direct reference to editor meddling at the end of GLO volume 4 with the alternative outcome of Toji battle scene)
So if GLO didn't sell at all there would never have been more than 2 volumes if any.
I have seen that even Blame has started again recently, and honnestly though I think it's a good manga Ithink it's a lot harder to get into it than Gunnm. So I don't believe GLO is going to be discontinued.
Moreover Gunnm was thought to be popular enough to be animated (yeah I know I have seen the OAV this year for the first time and am still mourning...)and have a video game adaptation.
So lets not panic, and in the worst case it might be continued to satisfy foreign fans, after all it sells abroad...

[Sergio Nova]

Guys, let us be objective: publishers do NOT need to invent anything like an illness to cancel a publication. Editors live on sale, that is, on profit. If a title does not sell, it is simply cancelled, even because no one would close a gold mine.

Even a socialist would agree with that, actually:

1. a capitalist would say that the company needs profit to continue working, otherwise it breaks down.
2. a socialist would agree that a broken company is useful to no one, as the workers will NOT have their jobs.
3. the state will NOT receive taxes.

If Gunnm was not selling, someone please tell me why the publishers:

1. published a second edition, in resized format.
2. published additional stuff, including extra stories.
3. published a continuation that has already had thirteen volumes (that is, four volumes more than the original arc - up to now).
4. Have even published an extra story in Last Order arc (Bashaku Ando)

As litchi master said, people who defend those ideas do not know what they are talking about.

It is true that Gunnm does not sell like Naruto, One Piece or Bleach, for example, but no one said that only best-sellers are supposed to be published. Also, the fact that the mentioned titles are commented by everyone does not guarantee anything. Gunnm sells to a reduced but selected fanbase. I mean, when someone buys Naruto, at least five different persons (family and friends) read each copy. The readership of Gunnm is not so vast, so let us say that each reader has his copy.

Thus, even if a title like Gunnm sells 20% of Naruto, it does sell well, as Naruto sells millions of copies around the world.

We should remember that Ultra Jump is a seinen magazine (although from some illustrations I have seen in the last number I have not been so sure about that) and it does have a more reduced readership, but it is a readership, anyway.

I believe you will not find readers in many groups, simply because the public of some titles IS select (and I do NOT care if that sounds arrogant- I am not politically corret), but saying that Gunnm will be cancelled because it does not sell is an exercize of masochism, repeated here from time to time.

As far as I know, the title is published in Spain, Germany, United States, United Kingdom, Italy, China and Russia, to say the least. If that represents a failure, I do want to fail.

[bonedaddy]

To be clear: I should've said it was not popular, as opposed to unpopular. There is a distinction. People don't actively dislike it, but they don't actively like it either.

Gunnm is published in the Ultra Jump anthology, which is a monthly magazine that mostly aims at an older male audience. Some of its more prominent titles are Bastard!, Tenjou Tenge, and Ninku. It is, in my experience, somewhat difficult to find, and is in a completely different league than Shonen Jump (which publishes Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, etc). Gunnm has been a mainstay there for sometime, and is a fairly niche title. Like I said, I talked to several hundred Japanese people while I lived there, and out of maybe 100 people, I met 1 guy who had heard of the series, but even he had not read it.

The reason Gunnm (not LO) was reprinted was so that LO readers could catch up on the backstory when it restarted. I found one bookstore in my entire time in Japan that sold the old Gunnm tankobon, and I had to go to Tokyo for that. They're really kind of hard to find.

It, like many other titles, does better with a foreign audience than at home, and occupies a different place in the culture. If you, for example, make reference to Ranma or Akira to a Japanese kid, they will have no idea what you are talking about. Saying you play DDR is like saying you play Pac-Man. I can virtually guarantee that if you have not lived in Japan, your view of it is skewed.

That said, Gunnm is not super-likely for cancellation, because it has the weight of years behind it, and the Japanese are very loyal when it comes to such things -- can you imagine anyone letting Anno finish Evangelion in America? No, he would've been yanked off the project when he went nuts. That said, if UJ went belly-up due to the economy (again, not likely), then LO might be put on hiatus at least for awhile.

[Cailon]

I just read a chat between Kishiro and some fans in 1998 on reimeika.ca, you can find it here: http://www.reimeika.ca/marco/data/kishiro_chat_1998.txt

This confirms your post:

(Responding to the number of Gunnm comics sold in North America)
Oh my god! I didn't know! (^o^; Although I get the royalties,
there is no knowing how much they are sold overseas. Perhaps,
the number (of North American comics) is larger than that in Japan.

(Responding to the number of Japanese readers: 900,000)
900,000!!...This is probably a false rumour. ^ ^; The number might
be that of the readers of Business Jump in which Gunnm was
written. All those readers might have seen Gunnm but not all of them
may have been Gunnm fans. So, the number is not really
wrong but not really true. The number of Japanese graphic Gunnm
sold in Japan is a little more than 200,000 per volume.

Btw, if you don't know it yet, there are two more interviews:
1993: http://www.reimeika.ca/marco/data/kishi ... w_1993.txt
1995: http://www.reimeika.ca/marco/data/kishi ... w_1995.txt

[crazyankan]

Some new stuff.
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/j ... scans.html

[Gallygun]

Some new stuff.
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/04/j ... scans.html

Too bad nothing Battle Angel related =P

[crazyankan]

Some kind of Power Suits or something from Avatar.
http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/05/e ... heavy.html

[crazyankan]

Cameron talks about Avatar.
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/06/01/jam ... tar-at-e3/

[crazyankan]

and some pics from an Avatar machine.
http://www.collider.com/2009/06/02/e3-2 ... ns-avatar/

[crazyankan]

I have heard rumors about when Cameron should release the trailer.
Looks like it's going to be Comicon in San Diego 23 July.