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Don't worry, you've still got time ! ;)
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kamugin wrote: Alita was seen eating after she discovered her brain isn't human anymore. Even Sechs was plotted eating! If food is really useless to them, perhaps they eat to feel "human". Something like "I eat, therefore I exist!" :P
social ritual ? :P
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Re: GLO 104

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When will glo 104 be released?

Excuse me for asking this in advance. I don't want to sound selfish, hurry you up, or be a burden of any kind, but I've just started re-reading the whole thing. So, if I won't see the glo 104 before 25th, I'll see it only a year or two after. Sad but true.
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moooV wrote:When will glo 104 be released?

So, if I won't see the glo 104 before 25th, I'll see it only a year or two after. Sad but true.
What a strange ritual! (:-
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Solution: Read slower!

Analyze each page for an hour or something :P
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moooV wrote:When will glo 104 be released?
About a week. Maybe two. I'm quite busy with work around these days.
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And TargaryenX hasn't released the tl script yet.
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I've finally finished reading GLO and I'm up to date with it now.

The only thing I can say is that the volumes 11-14 and a half are pure crap, especially the one about Igrec and venusian seeded team.

In these volumes:

1) Alita isn't Alita any more - she's just like a soulless side-character.
2) A lot of empty speeches about nothing in these volumes. The only thing I can summarize them to is "some boring crap about karate".
3) That ridiculous idiotic tail and her change in behaviour, including use of ventilation channels. Even her face has changed completely! It's an absolutely different face!

What about the rest: I really liked the wings and Sechs/Zekka fights. Also, I've finally seen her telling Sechs about her brainchip in GLO 104. What about the rest of the plot - the only thing I care about is her brain in the incubator, everything else is nearly uninteresting.

However, it's the volumes 11-14.5 are not how GLO used to be - they've gotten kinda bleak, cold, and unpleasant.

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What about a side note - I have a complaint for you, guys, the translating team. I think that remarks like "my cat's name is Schroedingher", "octopus lips", "I hear that in the bedroom" and all others, the credit pages with dicks/balls/other crap like "forever alone" instead of Alita's face are absolutely UNACCEPTABLE - the good translator should NEVER add anything from himself, especially these things. You should be ashamed of this.
It would be quite nice if you clean these things up and re-release all the volumes where these things occur.


PS.
This post is the 11111th post of the forum (take a look at the page footer on the board index page). :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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moooV wrote:pure crap, especially the one about Igrec and venusian seeded team.
We certainly have been reading different things, as I cannot believe you were unable to understand the (lots of) symbologies.
moooV wrote: What about a side note - I have a complaint for you, guys, the translating team. I think that remarks like "my cat's name is Schroedingher", "octopus lips", "I hear that in the bedroom" and all others, the credit pages with dicks/balls/other crap like "forever alone" instead of Alita's face are absolutely UNACCEPTABLE - the good translator should NEVER add anything from himself, especially these things. You should be ashamed of this.
It would be quite nice if you clean these things up and re-release all the volumes where these things occur.
Are you in a bad mood today? You should have already learned that the final edition NEVER brings such things. It seems that you always download the first versions and do NOT care about the final and official ones. Such jokes are NEVER there.
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First of all, it's the typesetter, not the translator that adds those things and for the record I also find them in poor taste.
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@moooV: Oh dear God, you take it too seriously. It's just a manga not the holy Bible.

And by the way, hope you don't mind if I put this quote into my signature :p
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moooV wrote:What about a side note - I have a complaint for you, guys, the translating team. I think that remarks like "my cat's name is Schroedingher", "octopus lips", "I hear that in the bedroom" and all others, the credit pages with dicks/balls/other crap like "forever alone" instead of Alita's face are absolutely UNACCEPTABLE - the good translator should NEVER add anything from himself, especially these things. You should be ashamed of this.
It would be quite nice if you clean these things up and re-release all the volumes where these things occur.
I've been the author of some jokes, although I've never intended them to be published at all. Nevertheless, there's no rules about this, no etiquette. You may be able to invent some laws and taboos, but no, there's none. You're fantasizing.

On the other hand, it's just an added page, not a watermark or something that replace the original. So, feel free to delete the page(s) that bother(s) you. Because we won't. (at least, me) Again, you're fantasizing. You're the one who should be ashamed of posting such selfish requests.
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I actually liked the Get Up credits page and lyrics with Rakan, props to whoever thought up this one. :P Some of the others now are hit and miss, but I would like to speak in defense of the production team's right to put in a personal touch into the credit pages.

The translators, typesetters, and proofers for scanlations as well as for fansubs (+ all the other staff needed for fansubs, like timers and people encoding and uploading) put in a lot of time and effort to prepare these for those of us who read and watch them, the fans. They don't get paid to do any of this work. Their payment comes from the satisfaction of helping out fellow fans and from the few thanks that they receive. But aside from us on this board saying thank you when a new chapter is posted, other people who visit the website most likely don't express their appreciation to them.

Putting in personal touches into the credit pages is their way of leaving their mark as proof of their time and efforts. It is at the very minimum for them a means of rewarding themselves and I feel that they have the right to do this. Of course because all of us are different some things rub some people the wrong way but click with others. At the end of the day the humor and jokes are NOT going to please everybody but how can you please everybody? As Lemonlol says nothing is stopping anyone who doesn't like it from deleting these pages and never seeing them again. Thus I support the right to insert them. Now if some members of the production team don’t agree with the content either, that’s between them.
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Sergio Nova wrote:You should have already learned that the final edition NEVER brings such things. It seems that you always download the first versions and do NOT care about the final and official ones. Such jokes are NEVER there.
I've broken the rule and opened it. Here it is.

[Manga] Battle Angel Alita - Last Order (Volume 11 v2.5) [Rippersanime.com], file name Gunnm_LO_Vol11_110, quote "I hear that all the time in the bedroom".
[Manga] Battle Angel Alita - Last Order (Volume 12) [Rippersanime.com], file name Gunnm_LO_Vol12_188, quote "My cat's name is Schroedingher".

Also, there was a comment about o-lips (and I'm absolutely sure that it is there somewhere), but I've failed to locate it since I've only quickly looked through the thumbnail miniatures. But it is there.


If these aren't final and official versions (especially the version 2.5 one), then I just don't know what else to say.

AR-99 wrote:Putting in personal touches into the credit pages is their way of leaving their mark as proof of their time and efforts.
Lemonlol wrote: On the other hand, it's just an added page, not a watermark or something that replace the original. So, feel free to delete the page(s) that bother(s) you. Because we won't. (at least, me) Again, you're fantasizing. You're the one who should be ashamed of posting such selfish requests.
The credit page can be deleted, but the commentaries in the manga itself can't be deleted that easily. And I'm mostly speaking about the manga pages.

For example, the one with a remark about the bedroom - removing it will take a bit of time (not much, though, but still) since the text is integrated into the page and isn't on a white area below the page.

Sergio Nova wrote:You should have already learned that the final edition NEVER brings such things. It seems that you always download the first versions and do NOT care about the final and official ones. Such jokes are NEVER there.
Again, I'm asking you, people, to make sure they're never there. But they are.
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moooV wrote: [Manga] Battle Angel Alita - Last Order (Volume 11 v2.5) [Rippersanime.com], file name Gunnm_LO_Vol11_110, quote "I hear that all the time in the bedroom".
[Manga] Battle Angel Alita - Last Order (Volume 12) [Rippersanime.com], file name Gunnm_LO_Vol12_188, quote "My cat's name is Schroedingher".
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Instead of complaining about the scanlation, and I think we should never complain about scanlations quality (don’t look a gift horse in the mouth), you should learn Japanese and read the original. No, I'm not joking. I've compared three different versions of Claymore: the scanlations, the Brazilian edition and the US edition*. There isn't a better one, all have bad choices here and there and even diverge sometimes. So, the only thing to do, if these things bother you, is learn the damned Japanese and read the original.

*I also confront Ripper's GLO scanlation with Viz edition and here too I the result is the same. The little jokes here and there aren't frequent enough to annoy me.
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I think, you've misunderstood me a bit. I don't have anything against the scanlation quality or translating team. Guys, I find your work amazing and really appreciate it! You're my heroes.

I'm just asking you to give a little bit more respect to the subject you're working on. When a serious manga gets interrupted with jokes, that ruins the impression a lot.

As it was mentioned before:
Abaddon wrote:@moooV: Oh dear God, you take it too seriously. It's just a manga not the holy Bible.
Manga or Bible - it doesn't matter at all. Even though, I don't think that Bible translators allow themselves to put some jokes in it.

[joke]What about the credit page in the Bible - any jokes and credits from different monk translation teams can be found there. Even the trollface photoshopped onto Jesus's face.[/joke]
you should learn Japanese and read the original
If I'll ever learn it (which, I think, I will do someday), I definitely won't read the manga in Japanese. As well as in any other language except English. It's just the way I percept it - nothing more. I may sound weird and illogical, but that's how it is. All my hopes are with you, guys.
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If I'll ever learn it (which, I think, I will do someday)
moooV, with your photographic (or eidetic memory) you should be able to learn japanese in only few weeks I guess!! What you need is just time!

But seriously guys, you are really overreacting, if you don't like the way the scanlators and typesetters do their job here, leave the forum and go buy the manga instead of reading it on your computer.

Even if you think that behavior is childish, yours is worse...
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When a serious manga gets interrupted with jokes, that ruins the impression a lot.
GLO isn't that serious, even Yukito make his jokes sometimes. Some are good, some are bad: I disliked when he drew Alita in SD form when she was about to save Zazie from Frau X's deadly technique.
Manga or Bible - it doesn't matter at all. Even though, I don't think that Bible translators allow themselves to put some jokes in it.
Au contrarie, the bible is the best example of how a literary work can be distorted by many different translations through the time, even with some jokes too: that versicle about Jesus saying that it's easier a camel going through a needle hole than a rich person reaching the paradise. "Camilum", Latin, means thick rope.
I definitely won't read the manga in Japanese. As well as in any other language except English. It's just the way I percept it - nothing more. I may sound weird and illogical, but that's how it is.
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All right, guys, I do believe in freedom of speech; thus, let me put two points.

1. moooV's opinion is just his opinion and, that way, it is legitimate. We have no need to make a war a words because of that.
2. There are people here able to say aggregations of stupidities as if preaching high philosophy. Despite my opinion on their limited knowledge, I may only lament, as fortunately I have no power (thanks God) to hush them.

In short, freedom of speech.
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Oh I knew I should left this topic and not answer a second time... I have too much to learn yet.

Opinion is one thing, rightless criticsm is another. Stop to butter up Mooov just because you want a 3D copy of his model.
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kamugin wrote:Oh I knew I should left this topic and not answer a second time... I have too much to learn yet.
You are strongly recommended to study English urgently. Your text is becoming impenetrable.
kamugin wrote:Stop to butter up Mooov just because you want a 3D copy of his model.
Would someone taken my compassion tell me what this guy is talking about? My knowledge on hermeneutics is too limited.
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You are strongly recommended to study English urgently. Your text is becoming impenetrable.
I agree, really! My knowledge of English is limited to what I have studied to take the university entrance exam and by reading manga and watching anime translated in English for about twelve years.
Would someone taken my compassion tell me what this guy is talking about? My knowledge on hermeneutics is too limited.
I know you understood in spite of my Engrish, but here it is again in good Portuguese for ya: Pare de passar manteiga no moooV porque você quer uma cópia tridimensional de seu modelo da Alita!

Apesar da adulação, ele não vai ceder.
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Stop the quarrel.

First. I didn't promise it to anyone and I don't have it myself - I just thought about a possibility of printing a single unique item just for myself. Which, with more than a 99% probability, I won't do.

Second. Stop offending each other - the topic is not about it.

Third.
kamugin wrote:rightless criticsm is another
Why rightless criticism? I didn't critique anyone or anything, I've just complained about the irrelevant and inappropriate jokes, which is rightful enough.
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