When GLO will start again?

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:27 pm

I'll just do a quick quotation:

Hey guys, Here's some info on the issue between Kishiro and Shueisha. It comes from manga-news.com and it's confirmed by Heiji-sama who is a really trustworthy guy, one of the guys who used to run Raw-paradise (R.I.P. Raw-paradise)

I merely translated it in english:
"Is Kishiro Yukito going to leave Shueisha? Indeed, last june 14th, the author posted a message on his blog, explaining that on the 7th of June, he received a phone call from his Tanto (editor) who was asking him to change 3 things in the new version of Gunm. Those three things are:

- change the word Hakkyô (発狂) in the first volume, because this word (which means madness) might refer to schizophrenia (According to shueisha, the ministry of justice would have agreed on this)
- change the word Hakkyô (発狂) in the 4th volume.
- Change the word psycho (in the sentence: Die, you fucking psycho) in the third volume).

The author disapproves of those changes. And he doesn't understand why this decision is taken now, whereas the series has been published for 10 years now. They kept discussing and had a meeting in Tokyo on the 16th. According to the author, this meeting ended up in a total "defeat". The three words are indeed going to be changed.

The author ends his message with this sentence: "Right now I don't know what I am going to do. Am I going to keep on working with Shueisha? Or am I going to find an other way? Right now I haven't decided yet." "

Later, Kishiro pointed out that he used the exact same words in GLO, too, but no one objected to this. There were several other meetings, Kishiro demanded an apology by Shueisha (not only for the changings but also that this issue was suddenly brought up after 10 years, right before the deadline to the 100th chapter anniversary in UJ) and a change back to the old version.
But negotiations eventually failed to come to a good end. Now he's with Kodansha's Evening and will return around March.

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:58 pm

Sergio Nova wrote:
TargaryenX wrote:It says late March, and of course I'll keep translating. In fact, I've got a job in Japan now and I'll be going over there about the same time so I may even be able to scan.
Good to know. Meantime, let me ask you: what about the novel?

I'm wondering the same thing too. Since the next GLO chapter won't come out really soon and you guys have nothing to translate, what about the novel?

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:49 pm

moooV wrote: I'm wondering the same thing too. Since the next GLO chapter won't come out really soon and you guys have nothing to translate, what about the novel?

As TargaryenX has never replied to my questions, private or public, I have given up, simply.

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:23 pm

Looks as if nobody cares. People! Skipping the novel while you have so much time to make it is an unforgivable crime! It's the only piece of BAA story left we know nothing about.

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:34 pm

But it's not like this is written by Kishiro, as far as I know he only developed the villain's look. And no reference or whatsoever to it in the manga or in the various timelines we have, so it simply isn't canon. It's more like a fanfic. And to be honest, I don't expect a 180° new perspective on Alita and the scrapyard after reading it. (More like: introduction, danger drawing near, threat to Alita's loved ones, fight, resolution, end.)
This, plus the huge-ass pile of work translating a whole book in your free time... I can somehow understand that Targa seems to be not interested...

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:54 pm

Cailon wrote:But it's not like this is written by Kishiro, as far as I know he only developed the villain's look. And no reference or whatsoever to it in the manga or in the various timelines we have, so it simply isn't canon

Why do you think so? From the page images in that topic I can say that it's VERY LIKELY to be drawn by YK himself - the style matches 100%. It's an early YK's style (HFV 1&2). The dates on his official gallery are 1996, which is another proof.

Also, it's a printed book from the shop, which Sergio has bought.

Also, read the annotations:
http://jajatom.moo.jp/album_e/gallery.c ... view&no=41
http://jajatom.moo.jp/album_e/gallery.c ... view&no=38

Only this wallpaper isn't made by him, but it's written in the plaintext just beneath it. Also, you can easily tell from the style.
http://jajatom.moo.jp/album_e/gallery.c ... view&no=39

But the others are HIS, I'm 100% sure about that.

PS.
He has a NY flash at his site! Go take a look!

PSPS.
I've saved it anyway.

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:20 am

Mh, I didn't make myself clear. So Kishiro developed and drew the main antagonist, like you said, okay. But it's a novel, so it's text only, with a few pic's here and there. This is why I meant we most likely already have all the material that YK donated for this project (the pictures) - and "only" lacking the text. The text however was written by [??? I don't know who], but definitely not by YK. He may have thrown in some ideas along with his new characters but nothing more.

Of course it's printed and published, but everything Alita experiences there, everything she learns, every tear, every kiss, every highly philosophical thought never had ANY impact on the manga. I mean it's not even a prequel like the extra story "Christmas Carol", which developes Ido's character more thorough. The whole plot just never happened in BAA. So if it's not canon and if it's not by YK, I'll call it a fanfic.
It's like a movie to an anime series. The plot is pointless and no progress in the overall story or the characters is allowed. Mostly, you can't even say at what exact point in the actual story it is set. I'd recommend you to watch a random Dragon Ball Z movie to get what I mean but I don't want to belittle your opinion about anime even more (because those movies really are crap^^).

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:48 am

It is not canon, certainly, but I would not name it a fanfic.
It is a novel written by Yasuhisa Kawamura, developed from the plot Kishiro had created in HFV, although there are some liberties.

Before stating to scan, I did ask TargaryenX if he was interested in translating it. He even said the mission was a challenge he was attracted to. When I say he suddenly became silent… I mean exactly that.

Of course it is his right to be interested or not, and I would never argue about that, but you can imagine it is only natural for fans to be curious.

And, moooV, the wallpaper is also Kishiro, as it is also included in the book and all the images are credited to Yukito Kishiro.

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:15 pm

Cailon wrote:Mh, I didn't make myself clear. So Kishiro developed and drew the main antagonist, like you said, okay. But it's a novel, so it's text only, with a few pic's here and there. This is why I meant we most likely already have all the material that YK donated for this project (the pictures) - and "only" lacking the text. The text however was written by [??? I don't know who], but definitely not by YK. He may have thrown in some ideas along with his new characters but nothing more.

So that's how it is - now I get it. I just thought that it was a _manga_ drawn by YK, but based on someone else's plot.
If it's a text with some images then you're definitely right.

Gallygun · Post by **Gallygun** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:14 pm

Update from YK's blog + crappy Google translation!

News ※ (reprint) ※
Yuki and moved to Hashi Kizyou Kodansha LO dream gun from evening the series resumes in the New Year 2011.
※

After the previous work
Yara Yara Satoshi Tsune chores at most meetings in succession:
Realized on such a day.
Kudan no story I write books based on ~ Yuki and ....

Holiday next month to work on the series, new book
(LO16 dream gun wound, Kodansha has potential to change the version number of turns is all that has been published together)
Manga will end with the illustration for the cover.
NG theater at the end of life, the circumstances and divorced ranging Shueisha
I think you are attempting manga in the wrong mood to be honest.
When I think need to be reminded that many ... and unpleasant.
Some explanation for the fans know the circumstances have to do,
If more formal, but wanted to Akira Aya of funny cartoons ...
The concept is not wrong but, lacking the mental strength required to work ....
orz

> Gun BBS Dreams
>'s Old 頑童

Oh, and wins over the Doku Fox turtle request how are you?
Dr. Kon Isao work is only for Drama (original unread)
"Condor Heroes", "Castle 訣" explained "Snowy Mountain Flying Fox" I especially like.
The Drama "Snowy Mountain Flying Fox" is original and is quite 違Urashii,
It was the best villain of the Department 帰農.
Not much to live up to hail the human weakness and strive to ruthless ambition,
In a sense, "Far North" man's character did say.
"Blue blood sword," the opening theme song is cool.
"Condor Heroes" theme song on the CD I got in imports,
"Blue blood sword" theme song is still a CD I have to wait ~ ized.
Amazon although I normally like to be able to buy or something.

> Ivan's
> Shutainzu・Geto

All clear, congratulations. (^_^) B
This spring, the animation is like Shutainzu・Geto ...
On the other hand as a fan happy, and great anxiety.
That structure is a tangled story of the world line
It was perfect match of non-linear adventure game,
What if scenarios 落Toshi込Mu linear animation ...
I think it impossible, by the ending of one course in each world line,
Animated me to spend about four cool
I'm the best.

>'s Hollow
> But somehow I finish reading before you die

Consists of easy-hard old boy ...
It has been my motto with these words from a young age,
I have no time to take a year out can make no big deal ....
LO gun is a dream when I started, ZOTT prolonged and was not intended to be so.
(Between civilization and the reconstruction went though Hen) 10 years ... and still have not finished the final game.
The medium will finish this year is to draw a hen ZOTT,
Then finally the long-awaited Chapter Mars.
(It may go a little before that Venus Part no.)
Chapter originally Mars, the dream gun "Chapter Universe" because I wanted to do a story,
くださる thank you for reading so forever.
m (_ _) m

※お知らせ(再掲)※
木城ゆきとは講談社に移籍し、銃夢LOの連載は2011年新春よりイブニングで再開します。
※

前回の仕事が終わった後
立て続けに打ち合わせやら経理やら雑事が多くて、
気がついたらこんな日に。
ゆきと帳に書くネタもとくだんないなぁ〜…。

来月は連載の仕事をお休みして、新刊
(銃夢LO16巻、講談社版は既刊分がまとめられて巻数が変わる可能性あり)
用のカバーイラストと巻末マンガを描く予定です。
巻末のNG人生劇場は、集英社と袂を分かつにいたる経緯を
マンガ化しようと思ってるんですけど、はっきり言って気分が乗らない。
また不愉快なことをいろいろ思い出さなければならないかと思うと…。
事情を知らないファンに対してなんらかの説明はしなくちゃならない、
ならば堅苦しい文章よりは面白おかしくマンガ化しようと考えましたが…
コンセプトは間違ってないけど、制作に要する精神力が不足気味…。
orz

>銃夢BBS
>老頑童さん

おお、亀の独孤求敗はお元気ですか?
金庸先生の作品はドラマ版だけですが(原作は未読)、
「射雕英雄伝」「連城訣」「雪山飛狐」が特に好きです。
ドラマ版の「雪山飛狐」は原作とはかなり違うらしいですが、
悪役の田帰農が最高でしたね。
野望に邁進する冷酷さと人間的な弱さがあられもないぐらいに同居してて、
ある意味「男の極北」といえるキャラクターでした。
「碧血剣」のオープニング主題歌もかっこいいです。
「射雕英雄伝」の主題歌は輸入CDで手に入れましたが、
「碧血剣」の主題歌はまだCD化されてないのかな〜。
Amazonとかで普通に買えるようになるといいんですけどね。

>Ivanさん
>シュタインズ･ゲート

全クリア、おめでとうございます。(^_^)b
今春、シュタインズ･ゲートがアニメ化されるとか…
ファンとしてはうれしい反面、すごい不安です。
あの錯綜した世界線という物語構造は
非リニアなアドベンチャーゲームにぴったりマッチしたものだったので、
リニアなアニメのシナリオにどう落とし込むのか…
ムリだと思うけど、各世界線のエンディングごとに1クール、
計4クールぐらいかけてアニメ化してくれたら
最高なんだけどなぁ。

>うろさん
>何とか死ぬまでに読み終えたいんですけれど・・

少年老い易く学成り難し…
若いときからこの言葉を座右の銘としてきた僕ですが、
たいしたこともなさないうちにあっという間に年を取ってしまいました…。
銃夢LO始めた時は、ZOTTがこんなに長引くとは想定していませんでした。
(間に文明復興編が入ったとはいえ)10年…まだ決勝戦終わってないし。
今年中ぐらいにZOTT編を描き終えるつもりですが、
そのあとにやっと待望の火星編。
(いやその前に金星編が少し入るかも…)
火星編が本来、銃夢「宇宙編」としてやりたかったストーリーなので、
末永くおつきあいくださるようお願いします。
m(_ _)m

I knew it. The ZOTT was NEVER supposed to be so long and important. But another important tidbit; THE MARS CHAPTERS WILL START SOON!!!!!

Crap, this is so exciting! I don't know what he is talking about with the "venus part" of the story. But who cares! The end of the ZOTT is in sight!!!

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:24 pm

I usually have a fertile imagination, but before anything, let me ask: what does hen ZOTT mean?

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:34 pm

What about myself — I care about Mars, ZOTT, and other things only a little. The only thing I find important is the brain-brainchip thing of the volume 10 and Alita getting her brain back, nothing else.

gilsand · Post by **gilsand** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:56 pm

The medium will finish this year is to draw a hen ZOTT,

Now I'm just asking. OK? Could it be that he really does mean a HEN version?

Spoiler:

He could mean a storyline that really deviates from his normal method.

moooV wrote:What about myself — I care about Mars, ZOTT, and other things only a little. The only thing I find important is the brain-brainchip thing of the volume 10 and
Alita getting her brain back, nothing else

So, Nova traded her brain for Lou's,

Lou's brain got blended in the process of reincarnating Alita?
So that means her Identity is comprised of Lou's Brain, Alita's Bio-Chip Brain, and the Fata Morgana?

BTW, Happy Friday

gilsand · Post by **gilsand** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:00 pm

The medium will finish this year is to draw a hen ZOTT,

Now I'm just asking. OK? Could it be that he really does mean a HEN version?

Spoiler:

He could mean a storyline that really deviates from his normal method.

moooV wrote:What about myself — I care about Mars, ZOTT, and other things only a little. The only thing I find important is the brain-brainchip thing of the volume 10 and
Alita getting her brain back, nothing else

So, Nova traded her brain for Lou's,

Spoiler:

Lou's brain got blended in the process of reincarnating Alita.
So that means her current identity is comprised of Lou's Brain, Alita's Bio-Chip Brain, and the Fata Morgana?

BTW, Happy Friday

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:50 pm

Hide the image into the spoiler, please! I've had to close the tab immediately and reopen it with images disabled to be able to answer you.

gilsand wrote: So, Nova traded her brain for Lou's,

Yes, he had.

gilsand wrote: Lou's brain got blended in the process of reincarnating Alita.
So that means her current identity is comprised of Lou's Brain, Alita's Bio-Chip Brain, and the Fata Morgana?

>>>Lou's brain got blended in the process of reincarnating Alita.
Nothing like this.

If you remember (you can open the manga and confirm, but DON'T POST IT HERE; and I'm confident of my memory) a box with Lou's brain was left intact - robots transported it to the Space Angels platform and Deckman had it with him when he threw the brainchip and Fata Morgana to Tunguska.

>>>So that means her current identity is comprised of Lou's Brain,
No. Big fat NO - just open the manga.

>>>Alita's Bio-Chip Brain, and the Fata Morgana?

If you meant "Alita's brain chip and Fata Morgana" then definitely yes.
If you meant "Alita's brain, Alita's brain chip, and Fata Morgana", then the only right answer is "We don't know yet".

PS.
Don't ever post manga pages without hiding them into spoiler if it's not a translation topic!

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:57 pm

It's amusing to witness how the one user here that tries to avoid GLO for one year each (moooV) constantly get's free GLO-pictures by helpful users.
I finally get to use the mega-smiley:

But a Venus chapter? Please no! Get Alita on Mars, let her turn into a human (maybe reunite with Figure Four) and then finish it. It will be a sad day in our lifes but good things don't tend to get better if you play with them for too long...

@Brain: Plus, Alita's brain most likely is on Mars right now, since Nova took the Olympus Express some time ago. However, in the retroperspective, the whole rescue-Lou-plot was rather weak, right now Alita doesn't give a damn about this brain anymore.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:02 pm

Volume 10, page 190 (no, moooV, I am not going to post it here!), Arthur-Melchizedek blends Fata Morgana to Alita's brainchip.
When number 100 shoots the brainchip, it is already the final result.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:05 pm

I do not know if Alita is still worried about Lou's brain or not, but one thing is clear: the ZOTT has gone to far and it would be great if the action is transferred to Mars.

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:17 pm

Sergio Nova wrote:Volume 10, page 190 (no, moooV, I am not going to post it here!), Arthur-Melchizedek blends Fata Morgana to Alita's brainchip.
When number 100 shoots the brainchip, it is already the final result.

That's exactly what I wanted to say. You see, Lou's brain is safely inside the P-box, it wasn't blended with Alita's brain chip and Fata Morgana, thus proving this phrase of gilsand wrong:

gilsand wrote: Lou's brain got blended in the process of reincarnating Alita.

Abaddon · Post by **Abaddon** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:01 pm

Sergio Nova wrote:I do not know if Alita is still worried about Lou's brain or not

Who the hell is Lou? XD

I'm serious, it's been years since I heard/read her name the last time.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:07 pm

Abaddon wrote:
Who the hell is Lou? XD

I'm serious, it's been years since I heard/read her name the last time.

Lou Collins. The GIB operator who saved Alita from the tuneds. You can see her in the last volumes of HFV.

Abaddon · Post by **Abaddon** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:19 pm

I remember, the blonde girl that resembles Pam. Too bad, I think that she isn't a very important character in LO actually, the rescue is somewhat senseless because I fell that Alita's loss all interest about her in the last chapters.

gilsand · Post by **gilsand** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:54 am

moooV wrote:
Sergio Nova wrote:Volume 10, page 190 (no, moooV, I am not going to post it here!), Arthur-Melchizedek blends Fata Morgana to Alita's brainchip.
When number 100 shoots the brainchip, it is already the final result.
That's exactly what I wanted to say. You see, Lou's brain is safely inside the P-box, it wasn't blended with Alita's brain chip and Fata Morgana, thus proving this phrase of gilsand wrong:

gilsand wrote: Lou's brain got blended in the process of reincarnating Alita.

Greetings,
Now just to help clear my Narcotic addled brain I will use pictures (hidden

) and should help in getting this explained to me

We Have Lou's brain in the "P" box, and Alita's brain is sitting in the glass transport tube.

Spoiler:

Then,"Is it really OK to give up your only piece of flesh?"

Spoiler:

Next, she wants her brain back, Lou's brain is safe in the "P" box.

Spoiler:

She dies, but her brain lives on, cuz Super Nova has already collected it.

Spoiler:

We jump ahead to where I see a definit "P" on the box.

Spoiler:

I am just wondering, where is my line of logic is flawed. Ya know, show me the page where I missed all the important stuff

Gallygun · Post by **Gallygun** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:49 am

Just a few thoughts, gilsand;

Yukito might have just drawn a "P" on the P-box in the last image you posted to make it look less bare, as a mistake, or just automatically, not even thinking about why he was putting a "P" on the box as he drew.

Or

It might be that if it was intentional, there are plenty of P-boxes in the GLO universe. Like a shipping box from Amazon.com; they all have the same curved arrow shape that looks like a smile on one side of the box, yet we can all agree that not all Amazon.com shipping boxes are the same one (I hope).

The P-box(es) are probably just a cargo boxes in GLO; mass-produced for various needs (in GLO).

A few last things is why would Nova give Alita her brain back after working so hard to get it? How would Alita get her brain back from someone like Nova who can apparently crush her (at that period of time)? And in vol. 14, when Alita is "healing" Zazie, she is contemplating to herself about how she felt when she found out her brain was a chip and all that that entails, she says nothing about having any physical human flesh left, including any of Lou's.

And plus, Alita has a dominant, warrior, strong, proud, won't-be-pushed-around-for a-second type personality; Lou has a very different personality. Fusing them with no noticeable difference would be impossible.

While on the subject, though, I'd like someone to explain to me why at the end of vol. 11, when Number 100 tosses Sechs Alita's "chip" fused with the Fata Morgana, it looks like a brain? We've seen the insides of people's heads with brain-chips in the GLO universe before; we know that it's just a biochip at the bottom of the character's skull. So why does Alita have a biochip with a fake brain encasing it?

gilsand · Post by **gilsand** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:54 am

Greetings Gallygun,
I agree that Yukito Sensi be afforded artistic license for the use of the box to fill space, or that the "P" on the box might denote cargo identifier, a mistake, or a cargo Tag.
OK,

But come on, as meticulous as he is in creating his art for the story, I would like to think he has that detail covered. He throws so much into the story that it is his intention to overwhelm you with details.

How would Alita get her brain back from someone like Nova who can apparently crush her (at that period of time)?

Since Alita is on a Warriors quest I see her discovering new abilities, hmmm. What did that "Death Star" type thing say at the end?
The gentle nature of Lou's personality may be what is needed to balance the warrior.
Just a thought...

"So why does Alita have a biochip with a fake brain encasing it?"

Is this bringing us back to the Lou's brain question again?
I like the way you think

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