So...Is this the end of the Viz era for Last Order?

[Sergio Nova]

Yes, it does exist: Glénat.Es, like Panini(an Italian publisher) Brazil.

Gee! With such a comparison, their work must be pure trash!

[kamugin]

their work must be pure trash!

Their who, hombre?

[Sergio Nova]

their work must be pure trash!

Their who, hombre?

Just read your message. Anyway, let me explain it.
1. You compared Glénat Spain to Panini Brazil.
2. Once Panini Brazil is a shitter, already specialized in canceling titles without explanations to readers, just to start with…

[kamugin]

Just read your message. Anyway, let me explain it.
1. You compared Glénat Spain to Panini Brazil.
2. Once Panini Brazil is a shitter, already specialized in canceling titles without explanations to readers, just to start with…

Looks like you was the one who didn't read or understood my post. I said only that there is a Glénat Spain, like there is a Panini Brazil. What I have said about this one exemplar of a Glénat manga, Tokio Style, was:

the quality is pretty good: dust cover, colored pages, good paper and not mirrored. Much better than the Brazilian average manga editions.

So much better than any printing and binding Panini or JBC oferred here, Pindorama, so far.

Tiresome...

[Cailon]

The policy of mirroring had a point when mangas and their reading direction were still widely unknown. By mirroring them, the editors tried their best to make people feel comfortable with manga. But to mirror a manga in the 21st century just for coherence is really a bit stupid. What coherence? SURPRISE, in fact, Alita is not a lefty. Or what.

[Sergio Nova]

Looks like you was the one who didn't read or understood my post.

Well, my problem is widely known: I never learn.
Are you really unable to understand a joke?
I just made a joke with Panini Brasil's lack of respect with the readership. That joke was based on your comparison with Glénat Spain.
Is there any actual relation? NO! Jokes do NOT need actual relations.

[Sergio Nova]

But to mirror a manga in the 21st century just for coherence is really a bit stupid. What coherence? SURPRISE, in fact, Alita is not a lefty. Or what.

Let's not make a war because of that.
I am a collector, and, yes, I am conservative. That said, I would feel weird having a collection published in inverted forms.
The Brazilian edition of Hyper Future Vision is right-to-left. There is no Last Order edition.
The American edition of Hyper Future Vision is right-to-left (yes, they made a second edition), and so is the American edition of Last Order.
I simply said that it would be weird, to a francophone (or anyone else, in MY opinion), to have part of a collection right-to-left and part of the same collection left-to-right.

Even Panini Brasil, expert in their lack of respect, two years after interrupting EDEN, retook the publication left-to-right, because the previous volumes had been published that way. At that moment, ALL Panini Brasil's Japanese titles were already published right-to-left, but they said they would finish EDEN left-to-right in respect to the readership. Obviously, it was only a joke with naïf readers (I included). They published one volume in two parts… and canceled the title again.

As to your last remark, if you really consider coherence as stupidity…

[kamugin]

Well, my problem is widely known: I never learn.

Indeed. You never learned how to do a good joke!

[Sergio Nova]

Indeed. You never learned how to do a good joke!

Either that or your capability of understanding is too limited.

BTW: jokes are not done; jokes are made.
Your misunderstanding is explained.

[kamugin]

BTW: jokes are not done; jokes are made.

Either made or done, the joke still was lame.

But thanks for the English tip.

[Sergio Nova]

Either made or done, the joke still was lame.

But thanks for the English tip.

I give up. Your limitations to understand anything that requires intelligence are too big.

[moooV]

So you intend to order some 3D copies of your rendering and sell them to your fellows here for an exorbitant price, isn't it?

Nothing like it.

Sergio has already PM'd me and I've answered exactly the same thing: I'm not going to sell it - I was thinking about making a single unique item just for myself, to put it on a bookshelf like you guys do.

Why are you so mercantile? I've only mentioned the possibility of making it into a real object, and your first association was about making a profit out of it!

Beleive me, I won't - I'm not that kind of person.

Good Smile Company is already producing some anime figurine prototypes using a 3D printer, but the finish work is still done by a sculptor

Something is wrong there.

The printer has resolution of about 500 dpi in all three dimensions (it's written in the printer's specs), which is bigger than your eye can perceive (the resolution used in book typographies is 250 dpi - and you don't see any pixelization, while a computer monitor is 75 dpi) - you will have to use a magnifying glass to see all the details.

Polishing by a sculptor isn't needed at all - it will just ruin it.

PS.
The 10cm x 10 cm x 10 cm volume printing is about 100$. That's really cheap for this kind of stuff.

[kamugin]

I'm not going to sell it - I was thinking about making a single unique item just for myself, to put on a bookshelf like you guys do.

Why are you so mercantile?

This is the way we capitalists think. You could earn a good money for sure if you did. But since you are a communist you should give them for free
Well, anybody can use your models and pay for a 3D printing, however not here in Pindorama, we didn't have access to such advanced technologies here. Only recently we put our matrix printers to retirement, you see.

[kamugin]

Something is wrong there.

The printer has resolution of about 500 dpi in all three dimensions (it's written in the printer's specs), which is bigger than your eye can perceive (the resolution used in book typographies is 250 dpi - and you don't see any pixelization, while a computer monitor is 75 dpi) - you will have to use a magnifying glass to see all the details.

Polishing by a sculptor isn't needed at all - it will just ruin it.

You've added this above while I was typing a reply...
I don't know the details of the process, but you can see the results in the link I provided. And GSC is one of the best figurine creators in Japan.

I think the 3D model is a bit crude, even the best printer can't do some details of the hair and clothes, so the sculptor finish can't be put aside. And you don't know what are you talking about if you say a master sculptor who is able to create figurines like this could ruin something.

[moooV]

But since you are a communist you should give them for free

I'm not a communist, but I'm not a capitalist either.

However, I think that making profit out of nothing or with small effort is something to be ashamed of - the profit has to be a result of your hard work (and most of my friends don't see anything shameful in it - they wouldn't mind making easy money).

Thus I don't understand how all these rich folks have a moral right to make money by shitloads without even working. If I'll ever be making shitloads of money, it will mean that I'm working day and night without sleep.

So, the money made out of a thin air are the money you haven't earned - you just don't deserve them.

Well, anybody can use your models and pay for a 3D printing

Who said I'm going to release the model itself? The model is the only proof that I've made it, not someone else. If I'll release it, I'll lose the proof and won't be able to ever prove that I'm it's author, simply.

[kamugin]

Who said I'm going to release the model itself? The model is the only proof that I've made it, not someone else. If I'll release it, I'll lose the proof and won't be able to ever prove that I'm it's author, simply.

You won't? Now you made me sad =(
You're a failure as a communist! There isn't such things like private property in communism!

[kamugin]

So, the money made out of a thin air are the money you haven't earned - you just don't deserve them.

Well, nobody can say you didn't worked hard to produce such rendering, as you yourself emphasized numberless times. But if you intended to sell it as figurines, you should buy the rights, since you aren't the original character creator. However if you don't purchase even the original mangas you are reading for free, your sense of what is right or wrong is quite distorted.

Right now I'm earning about 2k$ a month, working for 12-14 hours a day.

Much more than me, tiny sentences man. But since I do about nothing in my work, I can't complain too much.

[moooV]

But since I do about nothing in my work, I can't complain too much.

This is called a zero-motivation job. You are pretending that you're working, and they are pretending that they're paying salary. It's typical for post office employees - that's why nobody cares there if your post is lost or even stolen. Militaries are the case also.

However if you don't purchase even the original mangas you are reading for free, your sense of what is right or wrong is quite distorted

I've told you - I don't buy it, because I don't find it convenient. If there was an electronic manga distribution in PDFs, I would be glad to buy it. In fact, I would rather donate YK directly, than buy stuff - he will get less than 5% of the cost, anyway. 95%, which are left, will just go to a fat publisher.

What about the software, music, and movies:
I've never bought any of those as well as I have never met anyone, who has. Even the governmental facilities run on a pirated windows XP!

PS.
Of course, cg programs cost a shitload of money, but who cares? There are torrents!

[kamugin]

This is called a zero-motivation job. You are pretending that you're working, and they are pretending that they're paying salary... Militaries are the case also.

That's not entirely true I should say. My job consists of providing meteorologic briefings to pilots before they fly. So my small motivations are a "thank you" and a smile sometimes.

I've told you - I don't buy it, because I don't find it convenient. If there was an electronic manga distribution in PDFs, I would be glad to buy it. In fact, I would rather donate YK directly, than buy stuff

That's pure bullshit! I doubt you would buy GLO even if there was an electronic distribution! If you're being sincere, then try to discover Yukito's PayPal account and pay him!

What about the software, music, and movies:
I've never bought any of those

Even I, who earn much less than you, have paid for those sometimes. Now there is no doubt about how is your character.

[moooV]

But if you intended to sell it as figurines, you should buy the rights, since you aren't the original character creator

Are these legal: one and two (which I've seen on ebay)?

PS.
Unfortunately, Paypal does not work in Russia (this is one of the reasons I'm unable to buy anything on the amazon or ebay).
There are only two money systems here: Webmoney and YandexWallet.

[kamugin]

Are these legal: one and two (which I've seen on ebay)?

The first one is a well known old kit. Its original probably was licenced and sold only at some Japanese garage kit convention, the copies being sold in eBay are all pirated. The second one is an original unlicenced fan work, like your model is. If its creator intend to sell copies, this will be piracy.

Unfortunately, Paypal does not work in Russia (this is one of the reasons I'm unable to buy anything on the amazon or ebay).
There are only two money systems here: Webmoney and YandexWallet.

Don't you have Visa, Mastercard or Amex credit cards there? In Japan they use some other payment methods also. But don't give lame excuses! Put the money inside a letter and mail it to him! Not rubles though. Only USD, euros or yen

[moooV]

The second one is an original unlicenced fan work, like your model is. If its creator intend to sell copies, this will be piracy.

I've already told you - I will not sell it! Are you saying that any kind of fanart is illegal and is a piracy?

Don't you have Visa, Mastercard or Amex credit cards there

Yes, we have, but I don't have one - I get a salary in cash, so the company does not pay any taxes for the employees and the employees don't get that taxes (which shouldn't be subtracted from a salary by law, but who cares about law) subtracted.


I mean, it's as simple as that: an employee comes to employ for a job. For example, he has to be payed 1000$.

By laws, he should get a credit card, which the full salary (1000$) will be transferred to in the end of the month, and a company pays about 25% of his salary as a tax. Thus, the employee gets 1000$, but for the company his cost is 1250$.

How it is in reality (in case the employee wants to employ officially): he employs for 1000$, but gets only 750$ in the end of a month, because 250$ of taxes get SUBTRACTED from his salary, so his cost for a company is 1000$. This is illegal, but what company cares about laws?

Thus, for you not to employ officially, some companies even tell the candidates this: you can either be employed unofficially for the full 1000$ in cash, or get employed officially for 250$ (NOT 750!).

So it's advantageous to everyone: the company does not have to pay the taxes at all, because it has no employees officially, and employees get the full salary in cash. The only disadvantage is that the company can fire you without any payment (because you aren't their employee officially), if they turn out to be scums. Thus, officially I'm unemployed.

Most part (more than 75%) of the companies work by this scheme, but nobody cares. And I've never worked officially - only unofficially, so I don't have a credit card - I just don't need it.

[Sergio Nova]

Put the money inside a letter and mail it to him!

NEVER do that! It is completely illegal to send cash that way all around the world. Only uninformed people would suggest such things.
Mail service invented money orders long time ago.

[kamugin]

Are you saying that any kind of fanart is illegal and is a piracy?

Yes. To be 100% correct, any kind of unauthorized use or copy of an original registered intellectual work is piracy (this is great, isn't it? The Americans invented such thing). So fanarts, fanzines, fanfiction, cosplay, etc. are all piracy. However the authors or owners of the intellectual property overlook those things because it would be counter productive to sue all those small fries. Also this kind of appropriation helps to spread and popularize the original work even more. But if you are making profit of such things, they can hunt you down and crucify you

I mean, it's as simple as that: an employee comes to employ for a job. For example, he has to be payed 1000$.

By laws, he should get a credit card, which the full salary (1000$) will be transferred to in the end of the month, and a company pays about 25% of his salary as a tax. Thus, the employee gets 1000$, but for the company his cost is 1250$.

How it is in reality (in case the employee wants to employ officially): he employs for 1000$, but gets only 750$ in the end of a month, because 250$ of taxes get SUBTRACTED from his salary, so his cost for a company is 1000$. This is illegal, but what company cares about laws?

Thus, for you not to employ officially, some companies even tell the candidates this: you can either be employed unofficially for the full 1000$ in cash, or get employed officially for 250$ (NOT 750!).

So it's advantageous to everyone: the company does not have to pay the taxes at all, because it has no employees officially, and employees get the full salary in cash. The only disadvantage is that the company can fire you without any payment (because you aren't their employee officially), if they turn out to be scums. Thus, officially I'm unemployed.

Most part (more than 75%) of the companies work by this scheme, but nobody cares. And I've never worked officially - only unofficially, so I don't have a credit card - I just don't need it.

I'm realizing that Russia have adopted the worst practices of the capitalism...

There are similar practices here. The most common is paying, as an example, 1000$ to an employee but declaring to the government that the worker earns only 500$ so the taxes are paid over those 500$. The disadvantage to the employee is that, when he/she retires, the social security will pay only 500$ in allowance to him/her. However owning a credit card here isn't something necessarily associated to you having an officially registered work. You can get a credit card even if you don't have a job at all!

[kamugin]

Mail service invented money orders long time ago.

That would do too. However once I've sent about 25USD inside a letter to Canada, because the legal way was too bureaucratic and expensive.