So...Is this the end of the Viz era for Last Order?

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kamugin wrote:Yes. To be 100% correct, any kind of unauthorized use or copy of an original registered intellectual work is piracy.
No court recognizes such laws, although they do exist. According to them (especially in the USA), lending a book is a crime, selling used ones would result in serious sues.

As to crossplay, as far as I know, no one has been arrested, no convention has been closed by authorities. Even if the police required legal authorization, the judges would never emit them, simply because such laws are too unfair and too stupid (All right! Capital punishment is too unfair and too stupid, besides been crime in itself, but Americans love it).

kamugin wrote: once I've sent about 25USD inside a letter to Canada, because the legal way was too bureaucratic and expensive.
In short, you are a criminal.
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I'm starting to fear that you have some kind of love/hate feelings about me, Sergio! :shock:
Sergio Nova wrote: No court recognizes such laws, although they do exist. According to them (especially in the USA), lending a book is a crime, selling used ones would result in serious sues.

As to crossplay, as far as I know, no one has been arrested, no convention has been closed by authorities. Even if the police required legal authorization, the judges would never emit them, simply because such laws are too unfair and too stupid (All right! Capital punishment is too unfair and too stupid, besides been crime in itself, but Americans love it).
I've said nothing about people being sued or arrested because of such things and I've explained why. Are you making another of yours unintelligibles jokes again? (I've used the correct verb this time teacher!) :mrgreen:

And I didn't mention "crossplay", Sergio. Nobody was dressing themselves as the opposite sex. I've said "cosplay" (costume + play), that is when someone dresses himself/herself as a fictional character they like. By the way, am I the only one who knows about figurines, cosplay and others fan stuffs here?!?

I've heard about so many absurdities happened in the US that I would never accept to live there! (either way, latinos aren't welcome there) Just one example: once a burglar invaded the house of a family that was out on vacations, but he was so stupid that he got himself trapped inside the garage for many days. When the family returned and the burglar was set free, he sued them because of the mental and physical trauma he suffered when he was trapped! He won the lawsuit and they had to pay a reparation to him! :shock:

But here in Pindorama once a court accepted the testimony of a medium who embodied the "spirit" of a murdered person! And the accused was cleared of his charges because the "spirit" said that wasn't him the culprit! :shock:

This world is too absurd! I would like to get abducted by some aliens, so I would implore them to give me political asylum in their planet!
In short, you are a criminal.
Yes! I'm on the same level of your beloved Maluf, Pitta and so many others Paulistas politicians! :mrgreen:

Now let me rest! Arguing with you and Mooov for so much time was exhausting!
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kamugin wrote:Now let me rest! Arguing with you and Mooov for so much time was exhausting!
This thread went around the sun and never came back, it got so off topic! :roll:
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AR-99 wrote: This thread went around the sun and never came back, it got so off topic! :roll:
Get used to this because we (Sergio, Mooov and I or "the good, the bad and the ugly") are masters of setting topics off topic! :P
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kamugin wrote: I've said nothing about people being sued or arrested because of such things and I've explained why. Are you making another of yours unintelligibles jokes again?
No, I was simply commenting. If you knew how to read, you would have noticed I was not criticizing you, but simply commenting about facts. As to jokes, forget them. I have already given up telling jokes to whom is unable to understand them. It is frustrating, to say the least.
kamugin wrote: And I didn't mention "crossplay", Sergio. Nobody was dressing themselves as the opposite sex. I've said "cosplay" (costume + play), that is when someone dresses himself/herself as a fictional character they like. By the way, am I the only one who knows about figurines, cosplay and others fan stuffs here?!?
No, you did NOT mention crossplay. I made the confusion. I apologize. The matter is that I have never paid attention to such events and I have just now learned the differences. My mistake.
kamugin wrote: He won the lawsuit and they had to pay a reparation to him!
Americans are funny (or ridiculous, I really don't know the difference).
kamugin wrote: And the accused was cleared of his charges because the "spirit" said that wasn't him the culprit!
Brazilians are ridiculous (or funny, I really don't know the difference).
kamugin wrote: I'm on the same level of your beloved Maluf, Pitta and so many others Paulistas politicians!
Are you really so low? I was not expecting that you would be so disgusting. My text was simply an irony. Anyway, I cannot remember to have declared love to Maluf or his political breeding Pitta, but if you really want to reduce things to regionalism, maybe you consider politicians from Rio de Janeiro (like the family Garotinho, Benedita, Crivella) and Brasília (Joaquim & Jaqueline Roriz, the entire City Council) as examples of good behavior. But you really declared your love and your vote to Dilma, the same president whom Maluf and his group support in Congress. Probably you would love to move to São paulo just to vote for Maluf.
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kamugin wrote:However once I've sent about 25USD inside a letter to Canada, because the legal way was too bureaucratic and expensive. :mrgreen:
Sending money in mail is just idiotic - the letters are checked for money (most of them are delivered opened because of that), so the post office employees can steal it.

As well as they use to steal any valuable things, which are sent in packages - usually they steal things like ipads, cameras, laptops, and so forth.

The funniest thing is that the laws are made this way that you can't do anything.
There were precedents, when a person has ordered an ipad from abroad, but got a pack of millet by the weight of an ipad (which was stolen and replaced by a pack in the post office).

The funny thing about law is that nobody will give you your package to check for integrity before you sign the paper that you've received it and don't have any complaints. TADA!!! You sign it, they give you the package, you open it, see a stone instead of a laptop, and they tell you to go fuck yourself, because you've just signed a paper that you don't have any complaints.

In this case it's legal - the law is made that way. It's idiotism, but it's the way it is, nonetheless. :x
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moooV wrote: Sending money in mail is just idiotic - the letters are checked for money (most of them are delivered opened because of that), so the post office employees can steal it.

As well as they use to steal any valuable things, which are sent in packages - usually they steal things like ipads, cameras, laptops, and so forth.

The funniest thing is that the laws are made this way that you can't do anything.
There were precedents, when a person has ordered an ipad from abroad, but got a pack of millet by the weight of an ipad (which was stolen and replaced by a pack in the post office).

The funny thing about law is that nobody will give you your package to check for integrity before you sign the paper that you've received it and don't have any complaints. TADA!!! You sign it, they give you the package, you open it, see a stone instead of a laptop, and they tell you to go fuck yourself, because you've just signed a paper that you don't have any complaints.

In this case it's legal - the law is made that way. It's idiotism, but it's the way it is, nonetheless. :x
After taking a warm bath I regained some strenght...

The proposal about putting live money inside a letter was just a joke if nobody noticed...

It's really sad to know that Russia have kept the worst of the old regime while adhering to the worst of capitalism (pretty much like China is also doing).

As a figurine collector, I had my issues with the customs agents. Very, very stressing issues!! :x

I need to import the figurines because the few ones that are sold here are overpriced, so it's cheaper importing them myself (a PayPal account is essential). Here we have an extortionate customs tax of 60% over the merchandise value plus the shipping fee you have paid. Sometimes they let your package pass without taxing, sometimes they don't... But at least they allow you to see what is inside your parcel before you've paid the clearance, so if the content is damaged or replaced by something else you don't need to pay and can demand a reparation. Not always this works so well, but it's much better than the "no law land" you're describing!

Scape from Russia as soon as possible! I suggest you set place in Finland, Norway or Sweden, they're among the best countries in the world and are right after the border to you.
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They don't give you to check the parcel before signing, because by the law it's a property of a sender until it's received by you - you just don't have a right to open a box, which isn't yours yet. The only thing you can do is to refuse to receive it, then it would be sent back to sender (intact or not, it's HIS problems now).

kamugin wrote:I suggest you set place in Finland, Norway or Sweden
If I'll ever emigrate, this will surely be not the country in my latitude, it will be in some relatively warm place: I'm just starved for the sun and I hate wearing double (or even triple) pants each winter.

I'm seriously planning to move to China (HongKong, most likely), but I'll have to learn Chinese first.
kamugin wrote:pretty much like China is also doing
Nothing like it.

If you think that there's a communism there, you're wrong. It's a capitalism there, which even USA hasn't seen, but under a totalitarian political system. They've taken the best from the two worlds.
If this is a communism, then I'm a Pope of Rome.

And political freedom... who needs that? Here, in democracy, elections are faked anyway. There is even a proverb: "It doesn't matter, who voted and how. The only thing that matters is who counts the votes".
And again, here, in democracy we're having a hard censorship, just camouflaged a bit.

Their government does not have to be hypocritical and lie to the people, because it's not a democracy.

Because of that their economy blossom (will be bigger than USA's in several years), as well as science. They don't have a corruption, because the corrupt functionaries get executed (and there are another reasons also - hello, communism!), and the attitude to people is good (f.e. here in Russia functionaries don't even recognise you as a human being - you're just a cattle to them, who nobody cares about. Moreover, they even dare telling you the same thing right in the face).

At least, I've heard (and read) a lot about the country, and everything is awesome. I know guys, who have moved there (one for 2 years, and another one for 7 years already) - they are just HAPPY of the life. They say, it's nothing to compare with.

And the sweetest thing - if you work for a russian company for a good salary remotely from there, you can afford WAY MORE than here, because the prices are way way lower there.


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kamugin wrote:So fanarts, fanzines, fanfiction, cosplay, etc. are all piracy
How come?
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Just two points, moooV

1. What you say about Russian post-office is terrifying. We don't have such problems here. Actually, the post office service is fast and efficient. I had problems last December with some books I imported from the USA. They took 35 days (believe it or not) from the customs to my address, simply because the customs were "too busy" with Christmas volume. And that because books are not dutiable. Anyway, as soon as the customs cleared the books, I received them at home the other day. And here we are NEVER robbed by the post office, even because if anything of that sort happened, the workers in the sector would be fired (I mean, dismissed, not executed) and sued.

2. Our electoral system works perfectly. It is among the most efficient ones on the globe. I, for example, am an expert in losing elections (If I vote for you, believe me, you won't be elected), but I have to admit the elected ones are legitimate. Bush, for example, would never rob the election the way he did in Florida, where his own brother was the governor and responsible for the vote counting (so, you see, even in the famous American democracy, the important is who counts the votes). The vote counting here is made by a completely independent tribunal, and all the candidates have representatives observing it. Besides, the entire system is electronic.
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I've never ordered anything from abroad, but one my friend has. He has ordered some set of books from Australia.

The funny thing is - there is a post tracking system, so he checked the status and location of the parcel every day. Books were delivered from Australia to Russia in two or three days, but then... disappeared. He has received his parcel completely intact, but... after 6 months! (SIC!!!)

Can you imagine it: a trip from Australia to Moscow has taken two days, and a trip from Moscow to Saint-Petersburg has taken half a year!

What about myself - I've ordered custom-made computer water blocks about 8 years ago from a city nearby. They were delivered after 4 months, while they were made in a week! Can you imagine this?

Also, if a parcel isn't stolen, most likely, it will be damaged.
Besides, the entire system is electronic
It does not matter, because nobody even has to count the votes - it's all farce. It doesn't matter of voting, because all members of the ELECTION COMMITEE are members of a ruling party (which, by the law, is prohibited - they shouldn't be members of any party).

I don't think they even bother counting the votes - they just announce the needed result in the end. That's why the ruling party officially has more than 80% of votes, while EVERYONE hates them. There are even riots for the free speech (just scroll down and take a look at the photos), which are suppressed heavily, but the TV says nothing (hello, censorship) - only the internet is a free source of information.

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If you look at this photo, you will see that a policeman has ROBBED A WOMAN of the pearl beads, which he has wrapped around his wrist (not to lose them), while suppressing the demonstration.

This photo has caused quite a scandal, but he has not only got away with it - he has got... promoted. :shock:
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Sergio Nova wrote:
Cailon wrote:But to mirror a manga in the 21st century just for coherence is really a bit stupid. What coherence? SURPRISE, in fact, Alita is not a lefty. Or what.
Let's not make a war because of that.
I am a collector, and, yes, I am conservative. That said, I would feel weird having a collection published in inverted forms.
The Brazilian edition of Hyper Future Vision is right-to-left. There is no Last Order edition.
The American edition of Hyper Future Vision is right-to-left (yes, they made a second edition), and so is the American edition of Last Order.
I simply said that it would be weird, to a francophone (or anyone else, in MY opinion), to have part of a collection right-to-left and part of the same collection left-to-right.

Even Panini Brasil, expert in their lack of respect, two years after interrupting EDEN, retook the publication left-to-right, because the previous volumes had been published that way. At that moment, ALL Panini Brasil's Japanese titles were already published right-to-left, but they said they would finish EDEN right-to-left in respect to the readership. Obviously, it was only a joke with naïf readers (I included). They published one volume in two parts… and canceled the title again.

As to your last remark, if you really consider coherence as stupidity…
Actually, I may have to backpedal a bit. I found that Jiro Taniguchi's "The Walking Man" is mirrored, too, it has been in my own bookshelf the whole time --- I've read it several times and to be honest I didn't notice the mirroring. :oops:
Taniguchi is in the category of "graphic novels" here, which essentially means quality manga for a grown-up audience (hence the mirroring I suppose). And after all, his works get reviews in the feuilleton from time to time.

Regarding Panini, they're doing little in the manga-branch over here, too. Well, if they don't have at least one or two top-sellers in their house, like One Piece, Bleach, or even, say, Berserk, they can't affort such noble yet unprofitable projects... I'm trying to say that maybe it wasn't canceled because they are entirely evil. ;)
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This is really funny in context of my previous post in this topic.

Behold of today's sensation: they want to officially ban skype and gmail, because they can't decrypt them and control communications.

Yes, I've forgot to mention. All russian mail services, instant messaging services, and social networks officially provide any information needed to the governmental services, even without a court sanction. They can read inbox of every person absolutely legally and even without any sanctions.

So, now they simply want to ban everything they can't control.

Tunisia, Egypt, who's next? :lol:

PS.
The only thing that is good - they don't care about piracy! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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AR-99 wrote:See any Gunnm figures?
Sadly, no... just tons of others. If I'd seen one, I'd have bought it ofcourse.
I only bought 3 (expensive) queensblade figures (Melona, Alice, Yumil) a Metal Gear from Peacewalker, 2 other figures, Henrietta [gunslinger girl] and the incredibly rare ' girly in white typical dress laying on Style Couch' designed by Range Murata and enough nendoroids to fill it's own case ( no kidding, had to buy one)

maybe I should make a custom Gally Nendoroid...

I want a teleporter to Akiba now ._.''
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moooV wrote:All russian mail services, instant messaging services, and social networks officially provide any information needed to the governmental services, even without a court sanction. They can read inbox of every person absolutely legally and even without any sanctions.
You succeeded! You scared me. :o
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Squirrelsquid wrote:maybe I should make a custom Gally Nendoroid...
And desecrate Gally like this? No Way :x (I'm kidding) :lol:

I don't know about Viz and the other publishers, here in my country there are only two and they are really busy with Bleach, Naruto and all the other crap. I can't buy mangas from another countries because the customs are bitches with the importations, so I can't have any manga of Gunnm. But oh well, I started to collect Monster a few months ago and I'm waiting for a local edition of Claymore.

By the way the only spanish edition of Gunnm is made by Planeta de Agostini and the translation really sucks, also has mirrored pages... the worst part is when you do this the drawings look strange, because of this most authors of manga don't like his works mirrored.
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Abaddon wrote:By the way the only spanish edition of Gunnm is made by Planeta de Agostini and the translation really sucks, also has mirrored pages... the worst part is when you do this the drawings look strange, because of this most authors of manga don't like his works mirrored.
Planeta de Agostini is doing a great work translating Last Order; the books are in big format: 15x21 cm., they translate directly from Japanish to Spanish and Gally is Gally (no Alita), Salem is Salem. The only problem is the mirrored pages, but a liked more the Planeta version that the one by VIZ.
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niniogusano wrote: Planeta de Agostini ... they translate directly from Japanish to Spanish and Gally is Gally (no Alita), Salem is Salem. The only problem is the mirrored pages, but a liked more the Planeta version that the one by VIZ.
Gally instead of Alita (comprehensible since is translated from Japanese), Salem instead of Tiphares (also...), but MIRRORED pages! This is unforgivable!!

And I was considering to buy the Spanish version of GLO if it wouldn't be resumed in US... Now I discarded that idea.
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I don't have anything against mirroring, as well as naming.

Moreover, I like non-original names more (Alita, Tiphares, and so forth). The only version of HFV I've read is mirrored and with non-original naming (I don't remember from where exactly, but I remember that the translator's name was Fred Burke - maybe, it's from this site's downloads section).

When I was reading the LO 1 and 2, I've had some serious confusion since the names are original there. It's done by another team (not you, guys), but I'd really appreciate if you changed it to conform to a non-original naming convention, since the LO version of this site's team uses non-original, as well as HFV.

Will you do it, guys?
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moooV wrote: I'm seriously planning to move to China (HongKong, most likely), but I'll have to learn Chinese first.
moooV, it's not that I love you, but consider this a friendly advice: don't go any further than HK or Formosa (Taiwan), don't step into the big China no matter what!

The picture of Pequim (Beijing) (or was it HK?) You uploaded, besides tiny is clearly photoshoped. Either way, Pequim nowadays is so polluted that the toxic somoke sometimes reaches Korea. If this doesn't matter to you, how about the laborers conditions of work that regressed to something similar the ones in UK, France, etc. in the first stages of Industrial Revolution? If you said you work about 12~14 hours per day, perhaps you're used beig exploited (but it must be light work, since you have a column problem and has too much time to spare posting here or doing your Alita's rendering). Think about this then: China budget intended for "internal security" this year for the first time surpassed the one expended with the army. This to supervision and restrain they own people because the fear the totalitarian state have to be dethroned for riots or even a revolution.

Yes, they are having a huge economic boom, yes they may surpass USA as the first economy of the globe, yes they put a man in space an now are developing a stealth fighter, yes the global economy is more and more dependent of China (because the cheap industrial products they flood the world with, thanks to their people laboring almost as slaves). Yes, they have the biggest army in the world and the third nuclear arsenal.

Because of all of that, I fear China. They aren't well intentioned and nobody, not even the US, have the strenght to stop them. So the rest of the world should be worried about how will be this 21th century from now on.
moooV wrote:Back to the topic:
kamugin wrote:So fanarts, fanzines, fanfiction, cosplay, etc. are all piracy
How come?
It seems that the international regulations about intelectual property didn't reached Russia yet...
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kamugin wrote:don't go any further than HK or Formosa (Taiwan), don't step into the big China no matter what
I was always considering moving to HK - the photo I gave a link you to is of HK. It looks kinda photoshopped since it's a HDR photo, but it's HK's photo (just google it).

By the way, HK is an autonomous province of China since 1 July 1997, so it does not matter.

What about Taiwan - I think, there is a possibility of it being conquered (or even demolished) by China in several decades, since it has been a part of China historically and a cold war between them is going on right now. Anyway, Taiwan is out of discussion, since it's a potentially very unsafe place to live.
kamugin wrote:Either way, Pequim nowadays is so polluted that the toxic somoke sometimes reaches Korea
Yes, it is, but HK isn't at all. Anyway, Beijing is out of mention since it's far from the sea and I feel incredibly uncomfortable living far from it. By the way, the city with the most polluted air is... Tokyo.
kamugin wrote:If you said you work about 12~14 hours per day, perhaps you're used beig exploited (but it must be light work, since you have a column problem and has too much time to spare posting here or doing your Alita's rendering).
I'm working hard, really hard, but I don't think I'm exploited. I would be exploited if I was getting about 500$ for the same amount of work - the payment and hours are fair.

Also, if I'll move there, I won't work for a chinese company for sure. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Since I'm working as a web developer, I have a tab with this site opened all the time (that's why you can always see me online, if I'm not sleeping), so it does not slow my work down to check the site once in 20 minutes and, sometimes, write a comment, although I'm busy. Switching attention for a minute helps a lot for work, since my work is a pure mental activity. I can even say that this site raises my productivity.

What about the 3d stuff - I do it at home in my free time after work (1-4 hours each day).
kamugin wrote:Think about this then: China budget intended for "internal security" this year for the first time surpassed the one expended with the army. This to supervision and restrain they own people because the fear the totalitarian state have to be dethroned for riots or even a revolution.
Nothing like it. If you lived in a totalitarian society (which I'm living in right now (it has turned into a totalitarian again in the past two years), but camouflaged as a democracy), you would know that it's not for opression - there is a police for that. For example, more than 80% of the Russian army is located around the CITIES and is aimed inward, although they won't participate in any kind of opression - that's for sure, beleive me.

Also, such a big army is needed to guard the borders, simply.
kamugin wrote:Yes, they are having a huge economic boom, yes they may surpass USA as the first economy of the globe, yes they put a man in space an now are developing a stealth fighter, yes the global economy is more and more dependent of China
HK has the first place in the world at the school education quality. US is 10th, and Russia is 47th.
kamugin wrote:Because of all of these, I fear China. They aren't well intentioned and nobody, not even the US, have the strenght to stop them. So the rest of the world should be worried about how will be this 21th century from now on.
Beleive it or not, but the USA is already conquered by China economically (and the previous year's crisis has proven it further). Even now, China can make USA fall apart without any military actions - they just can refuse to buy the dollar and US government obligations.
kamugin wrote:t seems that the international regulations about intelectual property didn't reached Russia yet...
As a person, whose university education is an information security specialist, I know everything about intellectual property laws. Moreover, I should say, that they're quite up to date here. All international acts are ratified and we have all the inernational intellectual property norms supported by the laws.

The only problem is - nobody gives a crap about laws, especially about intellectual property. They are good, but nobody follows them (like most of the laws), especially the people, who establish them!
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Back to the topic - I'll even quote myself (two posts before) to bring it up more evidently (or should I make a separate topic out of it?):
moooV wrote:I don't have anything against mirroring, as well as naming.

Moreover, I like non-original names more (Alita, Tiphares, and so forth). The only version of HFV I've read is mirrored and with non-original naming (I don't remember from where exactly, but I remember that the translator's name was Fred Burke - maybe, it's from this site's downloads section).

When I was reading the LO 1 and 2, I've had some serious confusion since the names are original there. It's done by another team (not you, guys), but I'd really appreciate if you changed it to conform to a non-original naming convention, since the LO version of this site's team uses non-original, as well as HFV.

Will you do it, guys?
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Squirrelsquid wrote:
AR-99 wrote:See any Gunnm figures?
Sadly, no... just tons of others. If I'd seen one, I'd have bought it ofcourse.
Unfortunately our beloved Alita isn't popular enough among the Japanese, and by extention among the figurine makers, so no Alita figurine for us. I always see the coverage many sites provide about figurine conventions and I'm updated with the latest releases by the figurine companies but there is no Alita figurine in sight. Even that tiny articulated and overpriced figurine released with the gaiden was a surprise.

What I quite don't understand is the huge popularity One Piece have in Japan. I think it even surpassed Dragon Ball already in the number of issues sold. Thanks to that, there are dozens of figurines of One Piece characters!

I've read it until the vol. 30 or more , than I become tired of a repetitive story that andvanced almost nothing since it's beginning and, because of that, I stopped reading it. Even the Brazilian edition of One Piece (that I was purchasing) was cancelled.

Some time ago I was attending a speech given by a Japanese guy that was something like an "anime and manga ambassador" and in the middle of it he said that One Piece led him to tears many times! Amazing! To little me, if I read a maximum five volumes of a manga and it fails to interest me than it's over, probably I'll never read that again. There are too many interesting mangas to read, so no wasting time with average mangas.

Right now I'm trying Apocalypse Zero. Some time ago, I've watched the two only OVAs that were made. They were so grotesque and ununsual that I become interested in the manga. Recently I discovered that seven volumes (of eleven) were translated already and I started reading it. It is funny, but nothing in the same level of Dorohedoro. What is curious about Apocalypse Zero is that there are nothing less than four figurines of the two main characters, and quite good figurines. Considering the fact it was a only eleven volume manga and only two OVAs, it is far more than Alita have regarding the figurines subject. Besides GLO seems to be more popular than Apocalypse Zero. So why??
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kamugin wrote: Unfortunately our beloved Alita isn't popular enough among the Japanese, and by extention among the figurine makers, so no Alita figurine for us. I always see the coverage many sites provide about figurine conventions and I'm updated with the latest releases by the figurine companies but there is no Alita figurine in sight. Even that tiny articulated and overpriced figurine released with the gaiden was a surprise.
We must consider that GUNNM is a seinen, thus it is not exactly the same market of One piece and such mangas.

kamugin wrote: he said that One Piece led him to tears many times! Amazing! To little me, if I read a maximum five volumes of a manga and it fails to interest me than it's over, probably I'll never read that again.
Don't be rude. He cries in shame.
kamugin wrote: Recently I discovered that seven volumes (of eleven) were translated already and I started reading it.
I know about only 6 volumes. Where is number seven?
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Quoting you from before:
moooV wrote:If you look at this photo, you will see that a policeman has ROBBED A WOMAN of the pearl beads, which he has wrapped around his wrist (not to lose them), while suppressing the demonstration.

This photo has caused quite a scandal, but he has not only got away with it - he has got... promoted. :shock:
Nah! Probably he was just using them as his own fashion accessory :mrgreen:
And it's very positive knowing he was promoted, there is no prejudice inside Russian police!
moooV wrote: I was always considering moving to HK - the photo I gave a link you to is of HK.

By the way, HK is an autonomous province of China since 1 July 1997, so it does not matter.
I know that. I also agree that HK have modern and beautiful skyscrapers where lives the wealth people. However there are a lot of slums too, where the not so privileged people lives. And lf you end up living in one one of them? How about Kowloon? :mrgreen:

moooV wrote:I'm working hard, really hard, but I don't think I'm exploited. I would be exploited if I was getting about 500$ for the same amount of work - the payment and hours are fair.

Since I'm working as a web developer, I have a tab with this site opened all the time (that's why you can always see me online, if I'm not sleeping), so it does not slow my work down to check the site once in 20 minutes and, sometimes, write a comment, although I'm busy. Switching attention for a minute helps a lot for work, since my work is a pure mental activity. I can even say that this site raises my productivity.
Indeed a "hard work" I see. By the way, it's not that much harder than mine, also If I consider the income tax, social security and some other deductions I have to pay monthly, I earn a bit more than you, working 8 hours a day, five days in a week :mrgreen:

Nothing like it. If you lived in a totalitarian society ... you would know that it's not for opression - there is a police for that.
I think that budget isn't only meant to surveillance cameras and other electronic spy devices. The police (the regular one and the secret police also) will receive a good amount of that too. However since you live under similar conditions, you can't see much problem in all of this.
Also, such a big army is needed to guard the borders, simply.
Indeed, indeed...
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Are you an ex KGB?! :shock:
I know everything about intellectual property laws.
So why do you keep asking dumb questions??
The only problem is - nobody gives a crap about laws, especially about intellectual property. They are good, but nobody follows them (like most of the laws), especially the people, who establish them!
That may be true in China and Russia, but in Brazil things aren't that loose, much less in Japan, western Europe and, specially, in The Evil Empire, USA.
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Sergio Nova wrote: We must consider that GUNNM is a seinen, thus it is not exactly the same market of One piece and such mangas.
You're right, if forgot about that. Also Apocalypse Zero is a shounen, thus there are some figurines of it.
Don't be rude. He cries in shame.
Probably...
I know about only 6 volumes. Where is number seven?
Here is the link to download Apocalypse_Zero_07__GWR_.zip by Gantz Waitingroom (Dorohedoro).
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