How much does Alita weigh?

Helmore · Post by **Helmore** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:28 pm

Not exactly a question that you'd ask to Alita. I mean, you just don't ask how much a girl weighs. I'd still like to know, but I can't find it anywhere on the forum or the wiki though.

So, how much does she weigh?

If it's not a known fact then I'd like to know your guess and maybe a little about why you think she weighs that much. Oh, and I'm talking about her current Imaginos body here of course.
An 'ordinary human girl' of Alita's length (150 cm) probably weighs around 43 KG or something, my guess is that Alita's Imaginos body is a bit heavier than that. I'd say that around 75 KG or something isn't unreasonable. What do you guys think?

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:03 pm

Maybe, around 250 kg or even more - it simply needs that weight to be able to kick heavy opponents (p=mv) and not fly away from the recoil (F=-F).

Isidorios · Post by **Isidorios** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:14 pm

Depends on her body, but the nanomachine bodies like the Berserker and the Imaginos series are really, really heavy.

In Tears of an Angel, Yugo tries to give Alita (in the Berserker body) a hand up off of the ground, and she literally pulls him through the double railing he's leaning against, catapults him over her head, and nearly injures his shoulder.
I'd say the Berserker weighs at least 750lbs to do something like that, and possibly quite a bit more.

With the kind of leverage and impact power she wields in the Imaginos series, I'd say it's pretty heavy as well, and weighs that much at the minimum. X-ray art of her Imaginos body by YK shows that it is quite dense in it's construction.
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Helmore · Post by **Helmore** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:00 pm

Isidorios wrote:Depends on her body, but the nanomachine bodies like the Berserker and the Imaginos series are really, really heavy.
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I'm talking about her current Imaginos body here, or Imaginos 2.1 as Super Nova likes to call it. And what makes you think that those bodies have to be really really heavy?

Isidorios wrote:In Tears of an Angel, Yugo tries to give Alita (in the Berserker body) a hand up off of the ground, and she literally pulls him through the double railing he's leaning against, catapults him over her head, and nearly injures his shoulder.
I'd say the Berserker weighs at least 750lbs to do something like that, and possibly quite a bit more.
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What Alita 'did' to Yugo then, could have happened even if Alita weighed less than 100 KG (220 lbs) if you ask me. I mean, if I were Yugo I wouldn't expect Alita to be anything but a roughly 43 KG (around 100 lbs) weighing slip of a girl, so you account for that when you try to pull her up and then it comes as quite a surprise when she does way more than that. Not to mention that Alita is quite a bit stronger than your average girl and the fact that the construction of the building they were in wasn't anything to write home about either. If I'm honest, I'd say what happened could also have happened were Alita to weigh about 60 KG (132 lbs).

Isidorios wrote:With the kind of leverage and impact power she wields in the Imaginos series, I'd say it's pretty heavy as well, and weighs that much at the minimum. X-ray art of her Imaginos body by YK shows that it is quite dense in it's construction.
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Mind if you could provide a link to this X-Ray art, or tell me where to find it?

AR-99 · Post by **AR-99** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:06 pm

Since she can choose the look of the current Imaginos Body, she may also be able to choose the weight. Although wouldn't the wormhole reactor core really throw her weight off?

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:18 pm

she can choose the look of the current Imaginos Body, she may also be able to choose the weight

No, she is unable. The weight doesn't depend on a shape - it's just an amount of matter. You can redistribute it (make blades out of boobs), but you can't increase it or decrease it without adding/removing matter.

It's an unshakable law: in a real world, or in a manga world - there is no difference, since it is not only physics, but even a simple general logic.

MagicHp · Post by **MagicHp** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:14 pm

Wouldn't that rather be her mass that can't change? Weight is relative to gravity if I'm not mistaking (but I can be, I'm really no expert in this ^^) .

I mean, she can give her "cells" almost any property she wants if she controls her nanomachines, so why not some anti-gravity to move more easily? Her mass wouldn't change (same quantity of matter) but she would weigh just as much as she wants, or even float.

Then again, I can't remember where does this idea of Alita controlling her body to that extend comes from, I think it's time for me to read it all over again

It always seemed to me that she weighted quite a lot in BAA, but that she was going lighter and lighter in LO.

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:22 pm

Weight is relative to gravity if I'm not mistaking

Weight is relative to the gravity, but the mass isn't.
In fact, gravity depends on a mass - the more massive an item is, the more it pulls other objects towards itself (yes, the Earth pulls you towards itelf, and you pull Earth towards yourself in the same time - the difference is the scale and force).

Yes, on a scale and masses like a human body this effect is so small that it doesn't matter at all (mass of your body isn't enough to attract a floating feather), but on the scale of planets, stars, and galaxies it's very pronounced.

Also, I don't beleive that nanomachines can manipulate gravity - even in a manga world: simply because their scale isn't enough and a gravitational pull is so tiny on that level, that, basically, it won't matter at all.

Helmore · Post by **Helmore** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:54 pm

MagicHp wrote:It always seemed to me that she weighted quite a lot in BAA, but that she was going lighter and lighter in LO.

Her TUNED body can't have been too heavy. Figure Four didn't have much trouble carrying Alita on his back through the desert.

gilsand · Post by **gilsand** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:10 pm

Helmore wrote:
MagicHp wrote:It always seemed to me that she weighted quite a lot in BAA, but that she was going lighter and lighter in LO.
Her TUNED body can't have been too heavy. Figure Four didn't have much trouble carrying Alita on his back through the desert.

But was not the Tuned Body a different configuration altogether?
Just had to point out the obvious.

Helmore · Post by **Helmore** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:45 pm

gilsand wrote:
Helmore wrote:
MagicHp wrote:It always seemed to me that she weighted quite a lot in BAA, but that she was going lighter and lighter in LO.
Her TUNED body can't have been too heavy. Figure Four didn't have much trouble carrying Alita on his back through the desert.
But was not the Tuned Body a different configuration altogether?
Just had to point out the obvious.

I just mentioned the TUNED body because MagicHp was talking about BAA.

Isidorios · Post by **Isidorios** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:30 pm

S.why I said it depends on the body. Ido's original body for her and the Tuned body were more or less conventional builds, probably didn't weigh much more than twice a normal girl's body weight.
The Nano-bodies have sufficient mass to them that they can generate extra appendages like blades and what-not without compromising the overall structure. They are essentially living techo-organic structures.

SteveTJO · Post by **SteveTJO** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:19 am

it has to weight a lot since she is able to lift h-beam who must weight near a ton.i dont believe a 200 pounds body can lift such heavy weight.Then again we cannot expect something like her body weight to be logic in the manga.It's pretty obvious that such a small body can't actually lift and fight such heavy thing.First the metal (and probably other material)with which her body is build must be strong enough to support her own strenght and the weight she lift but as seen in her first fight with sechs she get cut quite easily which tell us that her body isn't quite resistant which probably mean a lighter body.Other thing such as her body joints must be strong enough too but at the size they have I am rather doubtfull about the fact they lift such heavy thing.

So for me it seem pretty obvious that the author never thought about the Alita's weight.

Gally · Post by **Gally** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:21 am

SteveTJO wrote:it has to weight a lot since she is able to lift h-beam who must weight near a ton.i dont believe a 200 pounds body can lift such heavy weight.Then again we cannot expect something like her body weight to be logic in the manga.It's pretty obvious that such a small body can't actually lift and fight such heavy thing.First the metal (and probably other material)with which her body is build must be strong enough to support her own strenght and the weight she lift but as seen in her first fight with sechs she get cut quite easily which tell us that her body isn't quite resistant which probably mean a lighter body.Other thing such as her body joints must be strong enough too but at the size they have I am rather doubtfull about the fact they lift such heavy thing.

So for me it seem pretty obvious that the author never thought about the Alita's weight.

Me too.
But I also think about ants and how they can raise far more than its own weight.
Also, would have carbon into the cells or nanomachines?

TankTreads · Post by **TankTreads** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:10 am

If I had to guess, about 200 to 350 kilos, possibly more. One would have to be extraordinarily dense to deliver punches with tank-busting levels of energy and not spontaneously explode. Newton's third law, and all that.

Keep in mind that the reason why Hugo found Alita lying in a heap after falling from the roof was because her foot had broken through the corrugated metal roofing. This is actually quite realistic; the pounds per square inch of ground pressure she applies with those tiny feet of hers must be immense, akin to balancing a motorcycle on stilts. That's why cyborgs have to watch their step. Not only would they have a lot of trouble floating in water, but they'd also sink into soft terrain and damage weak flooring materials as well.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:17 pm

As a matter of fact, I cannot understand why her body is called Imaginos.
Once it was created from scratch, after Tunguska, it should be named something like Tunguskan body, simply.
And then we would have to know what it was composed of.
Then again, the Tunguskan body was also destroyed, and the winged body entered the stage (I will have to read it again, as I cannot remember where that body originates from).

Dream · Post by **Dream** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:35 pm

I'd say she's somewhere around 100-200 kg
She could be less, though, since a completely controlled nanotech body can allow a very efficient volume/solidity/flexibility ratio, with lots of empty spaces in the matter (think bird bones and eiffel tower structure). She could be only 40-70 kg, and compensate her very light weight with magnetism manipulation, which is easier to apply to a light body.
I mean, she was flying with pseudo feathered wings just a chapter ago.

Vendigo · Post by **Vendigo** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:04 am

Interestingly enough, if you built her with titanium alloy skeleton and silicon-based cells with silicone as elastomer for the soft tissue, you'd end up at around 60 kg, assuming she's a bit under 150cm tall.

Using tungsten alloy for the skeleton would increase her mass up to 80kg. Replacing half of her soft tissue with structural metal components (steel and nickel mainly), her weigh would increase to 120 kg. To go much past beyond that, you'll need to intentionally add heavy elements!

Eriorguez · Post by **Eriorguez** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:51 pm

Sergio Nova wrote:As a matter of fact, I cannot understand why her body is called Imaginos.
Once it was created from scratch, after Tunguska, it should be named something like Tunguskan body, simply.
And then we would have to know what it was composed of.
Then again, the Tunguskan body was also destroyed, and the winged body entered the stage (I will have to read it again, as I cannot remember where that body originates from).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginos

The reference is kept. And, after all, she is in control of the Nanomachines that made up the first body. Those Nanomachines made a different body out of Tunguska, took over the Jovian reactor, made a new body out of debris in the arena...

6pool · Post by **6pool** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:56 am

moooV wrote:
she can choose the look of the current Imaginos Body, she may also be able to choose the weight
No, she is unable. The weight doesn't depend on a shape - it's just an amount of matter. You can redistribute it (make blades out of boobs), but you can't increase it or decrease it without adding/removing matter.

It's an unshakable law: in a real world, or in a manga world - there is no difference, since it is not only physics, but even a simple general logic.

This is not true and especially not true for the more recent Alita: mass can be generated from energy. Energy to mass conversion is even specifically mentioned in the manga (ch 101, p23), so there's no doubt that Alita can freely generate mass and thus change her weight at will, using the wormhole generator's energy. Just saying.