Theories about No-completely Clear Things in Gunnm

[Kinai2k7]

Hi.

I thought that this had already been discussed in the chapters' topics, but I would like to give my opinion.

It seems that we have a few contradictory statements:
Erica said that 'before the sortie in Operation Maulwurf' Gally had said that she was going to kill Erica the next time we meet (Gunnm Mars Chronicle (GMC) Ch:8 Page: 29-30).
We know that Operation Maulwurf was the secret infiltration to Ketheres (Gunnm Last Order (GLO) Ch:38 Page: 15) and that Gally/Yoko never returned from this mission (GLO Ch:38 Page: 31-35).
So, if the final of the battle showed in GMC Ch:8 Page:30, was before the sortie in Operation Maulwurf, Gally/Yoko couldn't have enough time to fight again.

We knows that Gally memories had been completely restored, including the parts that were psychologically blocked (GLO Ch:2 Page: 9), but if Erica is a necro soldier we could suppose that 'they' deleted the memories of 'her' death.

So, when had been able Gally to kill Erica as she said in GMC Ch:8.2 Page 12? In my opinion, Gally never killed Erica directly. But she could have considered to have killed Erica indirectly, because the Panzer Kunst Colony destruction was directly related to Gally being caught by Caerula (GLO Ch: 38 Page: 20-22).

The Necro Soldiers technology reached the completion stage 200 years ago (GMC Ch:8.1 Page 10), just in time to grab a lot of Panzer Kunst corpses and turned them into necrosoldiers.

A last detail: If Gally didn't know about the destruction of the Panzer Kunst Colony until Raven Tsai told her about it, how is possible that Gally knows that Erica is a Necro Soldier? She said that: 'I've heard a story from a certain person while I was coming to Mars' (GMC Ch: 8.2 Page: 16). My first idea was that 'the certain person' had been Caerula, but it could have been 'Arthur' or 'Zeus'.

What do you think?

Kinai.

[MrFaber]

I think u already answered with the most likely scenario.

[Erigu]

Erica said that 'before the sortie in Operation Maulwurf' Gally had said that she was going to kill Erica the next time we meet (Gunnm Mars Chronicle (GMC) Ch:8 Page: 29-30).
We know that Operation Maulwurf was the secret infiltration to Ketheres (Gunnm Last Order (GLO) Ch:38 Page: 15) and that Gally/Yoko never returned from this mission (GLO Ch:38 Page: 31-35).
So, if the final of the battle showed in GMC Ch:8 Page:30, was before the sortie in Operation Maulwurf, Gally/Yoko couldn't have enough time to fight again.

We know Gally said she'd kill Erika before she left Mars for that operation, but that doesn't necessarily mean just before. It seems to me she could also have killed her in-between that "the next time we meet, I'll kill you" flashback and her Jeru mission (and since Erika clearly has no memory of her death, she would mistakenly believe that Gally still had to fulfill that promise 200 years later).

In my opinion, Gally never killed Erica directly. But she could have considered to have killed Erica indirectly, because the Panzer Kunst Colony destruction was directly related to Gally being caught by Caerula (GLO Ch: 38 Page: 20-22).

I'm not sure why Gally would act so confident about Erika being dead if she was just thinking that happened when the colony was destroyed as a result of her failing her last mission (and it sure doesn't look Erika thought that's what Gally meant either: her reaction wasn't "nope, clearly, I simply was elsewhere when the colony was destroyed because of your blunder", but one of shock and disbelief).
Gally would have to know for sure that Erika was among the casualties... or telling her straight away and right to her face that she died back then and is now a Necro Soldier would be a bit silly, right? Obviously, Gally couldn't have known that at the time (since she was busy being in custody on Jeru or taking a nap on Earth), so unless she (somehow?) managed to recently (i.e. during those three missing years since Gunnm Last Order) get some evidence that Erika died in the bombing...

[Kinai2k7]

We know Gally said she'd kill Erika before she left Mars for that operation, but that doesn't necessarily mean just before. It seems to me she could also have killed her in-between that "the next time we meet, I'll kill you" flashback and her Jeru mission (and since Erika clearly has no memory of her death, she would mistakenly believe that Gally still had to fulfill that promise 200 years later).

It is clear that as Erika doesn't have memory of her death, she would believe that Gally still had to fulfill that promise. But, in my opinion, the way that Erika said it (200 years ago... Before the sortie in Operation Maulwurf, you told me this... (GMC Ch.7 Page.29 ) I understand that very little time passed between their last fight and the sortie. Perhaps a last training before the mission.

I'm not sure why Gally would act so confident about Erika being dead if she was just thinking that happened when the colony was destroyed as a result of her failing her last mission (and it sure doesn't look Erika thought that's what Gally meant either: her reaction wasn't "nope, clearly, I simply was elsewhere when the colony was destroyed because of your blunder", but one of shock and disbelief).
Gally would have to know for sure that Erika was among the casualties... or telling her straight away and right to her face that she died back then and is now a Necro Soldier would be a bit silly, right? Obviously, Gally couldn't have known that at the time (since she was busy being in custody on Jeru or taking a nap on Earth), so unless she (somehow?) managed to recently (i.e. during those three missing years since Gunnm Last Order) get some evidence that Erika died in the bombing...

Well, Gally has the best information network. She is conected directly with Melchizedek (GLO Ch.74 Page.3) and is an agent of Melchizedek AND Zeus (GLO Ch.111 Page.15-24). Perhaps Melchizedek doesn't have first hand data from that time because of the Ginebra (Guinevia) program (GLO Ch.38 Page.16-17 ), but Zeus didn't have any problem of this type.

Greetings.

Kinai.

[Erigu]

Off-topic:

the Ginebra (Guinevia) program

Wait, who came up with those spellings? I would have simply picked "Guinevere"? ^^;

[Kinai2k7]

Off-topic:
Wait, who came up with those spellings? I would have simply picked "Guinevere"? ^^;

I think that I spelled it as it is spelled in Spanish (My native language).

Kinai.

[Sergio Nova]

I think that I spelled it as it is spelled in Spanish (My native language).

Kinai.

The virus was named after King Arthur's unfaithful wife. The name Guinevere is no longer used in English-speaking countries because now it means betrayal (although the original Celtic meaning is white wave), and because of that the virus received that name in a network where everything is named after Arthurian legend.

Either the queen's name is Guinevia in Spanish, or it is a scandalous misspelling. It was used even in ^Ripper's Anime's translation, but coming from an official translator, with the structure of a publishing company and having the possibility of contacting the author to clarify doubts, it is inexcusable. As to Ginebra, that would be too much even in an alien dialect.

[Kinai2k7]

Either the queen's name is Guinevia in Spanish, or it is a scandalous misspelling. It was used even in ^Ripper's Anime's translation, but coming from an official translator, with the structure of a publishing company and having the possibility of contacting the author to clarify doubts, it is inexcusable. As to Ginebra, that would be too much even in an alien dialect.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginebra_%28reina%29

I am not sure if Guinevia is correct in Spanish, but Ginebra is it. Funny thing, Ginebra is an alcoholic drink.

Greetings.

Kinai.

[Sergio Nova]

Living and learning.
Afortunadamente, siempre reconocí que mi español es una mierda.

[Erigu]

Off-topic:
Wait, who came up with those spellings? I would have simply picked "Guinevere"? ^^;

I think that I spelled it as it is spelled in Spanish (My native language).

Ah, that makes sense. I thought those were from English translations. After the "Gerukuto" / "tadpole" thing from the other topic, I was wondering if that was some other really weird call from the US translators... ^^;

[AR-99]

It's a question for Kodansha as to why they went with the Viz version as they probably knew what the original was. Maybe Gergt was too weird for them.

[Sergio Nova]

It's a question for Kodansha as to why they went with the Viz version as they probably knew what the original was. Maybe Gergt was too weird for them.

Kodansha's translator is Lillian Olsen, the same who used to translate for Viz.
The positive side is that she knows the work.
The negative side is that all absurdities remain.

[AR-99]

There was the change in Erica's dog's name from Cocoa to Hershey to reflect the actual name (Hashi). This one is a bit of a head scratcher.

[Sergio Nova]

There was the change in Erica's dog's name from Cocoa to Hershey to reflect the actual name (Hashi). This one is a bit of a head scratcher.

I believe that originally the problem was that Hershey is a brand name and either Viz did not want to make free advertisement or they were worried about copyrights, but actually Hershey is the name of the city were the chocolate company is based, so…

Talking about copyrights, the original edition of Hyper Future Vision, volume 5, brings Gally singing Yes' Big Generator. In the American version, probably wanting to avoid paying copyrights, they invented nonsense lyrics that Alita sings. If the original lyrics are hermetic, the American version is simply empty. Worse, in the newest editions, the Japanese version no longer quotes Yes, but also uses the American "lyrics".

[Kinai2k7]

Living and learning.
Afortunadamente, siempre reconocí que mi español es una mierda.

It isn't as bad. My english isn't perfect either.

For the record: In the spanish edition of Gunnm Last Order, it is translated as Guinevre, with a note of the translator saying that Guinevere is Ginebra in english.

There was the change in Erica's dog's name from Cocoa to Hershey to reflect the actual name (Hashi). This one is a bit of a head scratcher.

Erica has a dog? What Erica? Gally's childhood friend??

Greetings.

Kinai.

[AR-99]

^She mentions it in Chapter 1 of Last Order.

Worse, in the newest editions, the Japanese version no longer quotes Yes, but also uses the American "lyrics".

I'm a bit sad that they did that. Which version? The Gunnm New Edition?

[Erigu]

Which version? The Gunnm New Edition?

I'm pretty sure the original song only appears in Shūeisha's first edition of the series. All editions after that use the same song as the US translation.

[Sergio Nova]

Which version? The Gunnm New Edition?

I'm pretty sure the original song only appears in Shūeisha's first edition of the series. All editions after that use the same song as the US translation.

Exactly. Shûeisha still has the rights on Hyper Future Vision, and has recently republished the entire collection.

By the way, I was not aware that the publishing company's name has the macro. Anyway, as I don't have the macro in my ABNT2 keyboard (and I am not crazy enough to spend hours trying to find the character)…

[Erigu]

Shûeisha still has the rights on Hyper Future Vision, and has recently republished the entire collection.

I believe those became out of print shortly after release, and the rights now belong to Kōdansha (in fact, I think the transfer of the rights to all of Kishiro's works over to Kōdansha is now complete). But Kōdansha's (digital) edition of the original series didn't bring Big Generator back, unfortunately.

By the way, I was not aware that the publishing company's name has the macro. Anyway, as I don't have the macro in my ABNT2 keyboard (and I am not crazy enough to spend hours trying to find the character)…

Oh, I pretty much interchangeably use "Shūeisha" (when I can quickly copy/paste the macron from somewhere else), "Shûeisha" and "Shuueisha" (when I'm not sure if wacky characters will show up properly)... Can't bring myself to use "Shueisha", though. ^^