Schwerer Gustav and Dora

Post by **crazyankan** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:43 am

Found this. So sick that Barjacks Anti-Tiphares Cannon really existed.

Anti-Tiphares Cannon
80 cm giant train cannon
lenght: 45 m width:12m height:15.5 m
total weight: 1400 tons

The real deal
Weight 1,350 tonnes
Length 47.3 m
Barrel length 32.48 m (L/40.6)
Width 7.1 m
Height 11.6 m
Crew 250 to assemble the gun in 3 days (54 hours), 2,500 to lay track and dig embankments. 2 Flak battalions to protect the gun from air attack.

Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:11 am

I think, Kishiro used this picture when he was drawing this cannon, it looks very close to real, even it's TTX characteristics are close to real.
And this is normal.

Also, everyone knows that the whole gunnm is based on concepts of P.Birch, it's even written in Lo3 at the bottom of the page where earth system is explained. Even some pictures are taken from a spreadsheets below:

http://www.paulbirch.net/#paper

Also, in Lo9 on the page with Maarin, two people are arguing about 'OR' and 'orchOR', and in the bottom is written that it's based on ideas of R.Penrose (contraction of wave function).

Original theory:

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/pen ... rchOR.html

I've read it all, very interesting indeed. P.Birch really proves by physics calculations that a space elevator, like in Gunnm ("Jacob's ladder") can be really built in near future, or at least, we have a possibility of it.

Also, Anderson spell from Lo7 is real too, but i've forgotten the link where it's scientifically proved

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After all, gunnm is full of other real scientific concepts, which can be turned to practice during our lifetime.

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:07 pm

of course, the space elevator idea was conceptualized more than 80 years ago ... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator for reference

only nanotech can made this dream come true, you "just" need enough nanocarbon wire !

and all SF storytellers (manga, comics or books, like Asimov) always base their stories on current science technologies or future-predictions of "what could be possible if" theories ... see Jules Vernes stories, like "from earth to moon", "twenty thousand leagues under the sea", etc., written 130 years ago, he is considered the father of SF ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Verne

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:37 pm

Boys, I can only say that Kishiro is a master.
No more words are necessary.

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:27 am

Thanks for this hint crazyankan!!

But its curious, once again Kishiro took out some old shitty nazi fantasys.
Remember the space- nazis with their ufo on mars? Its also part of a known conspiracy theory concerning the Third Reich.
Also the whole german terms, like Panzer Kunst or the ranks of Panzer Kunst (that "Panzer" means "tank" or "armor" and "Kunst" means "art", everyone knows already, I suppose...)

I really want to know if in the world of Alita, really some nazis went to mars, build up a colony and therefore we have all these german terms (I would have to think a lot, if I should just hate BAA at this point for that) or if this is just a little game kishiro plays, because maybe he likes german or the foreign sound in japanese ears or so.

HumanRage wrote:and all SF storytellers (manga, comics or books, like Asimov) always base their stories on current science technologies or future-predictions of "what could be possible if" theories ... see Jules Vernes stories, like "from earth to moon", "twenty thousand leagues under the sea", etc., written 130 years ago, he is considered the father of SF ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Verne

Well, you say that this easily, but the truth is, most of the SF authors today only write in precasted lines. Its always like Starships, warpdrive or hyperdrive or lightspeed, androids, big hungry evil aliens and so on. The Star Wars and Star Trek stuff in other clothes...

I.e. Jules Verne or H.G. Wells are big exeptions, and therefore we know them until today. When you read "time machine" its not just another time travel story like most storys are today, its more than that. Same goes to Jules Verne.
The root in the reality is the essential part of SF, since its SCIENCE fiction, and not only fiction. But on contrary to them, most authors dont care, if their concepts can exist in reality.

Therefore Kishiro really is great and a master; and his work cant be underestimated for being so cool and still correct!

Post by **crazyankan** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:05 pm

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3782/namnlst1qu2.jpg

Me and ripper also found this. Took a time before we could figure what it should be under the text.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothman some info about mothman and the picture we think Yukito did use

nevets1219 · Post by **nevets1219** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:38 pm

Oh I've read about the mothman back in middle school or elementary school!!

Good find!

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:32 pm

Cailon wrote: I really want to know if in the world of Alita, really some nazis went to mars, build up a colony and therefore we have all these german terms (I would have to think a lot, if I should just hate BAA at this point for that) or if this is just a little game kishiro plays, because maybe he likes german or the foreign sound in japanese ears or so.

maybe you should read (or maybe not) the 3rd volume of BAA-LO ... the page describing Mars has the answer for this question ...

Cailon wrote: Well, you say that this easily, but the truth is, most of the SF authors today only write in precasted lines. Its always like Starships, warpdrive or hyperdrive or lightspeed, androids, big hungry evil aliens and so on. The Star Wars and Star Trek stuff in other clothes...

i don't think star wars or star trek would have existed without Asimov

he is the real father of warp drive, robots and all the rest ... and he described an alternative future running over 40 000+ years ... in the 50-60s !

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:53 pm

HumanRage wrote:i don't think star wars or star trek would have existed without Asimov
he is the real father of warp drive, robots and all the rest ... and he described an alternative future running over 40 000+ years ... in the 50-60s !

yeah, thats true indeed, I cant say anything against that! Asimov rules.

For the space nazis, I mean: I know, its said that they colonized mars in BAA, but what we dont know yet is, if they are the ancestors of the whole mars population present or just a small colony -- and the mars was colonized by humanity again later.
(ah ok, i know now, what you implied, HumanRage) In both cases it would mean, that Panzer Kunst is a nazi technique and, if I go further, the attack on earth by the marsian force (including Yoko) was a nazi commando. Or? (well at least the last part could be overinterpreted... (hopefully))
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And what has the mothman to do with Sechs?

Did he literarily cut off the head of the mothman? Or did he defeat his fear and inner barriers (in the fight against Zekka, with the mothman as a symbol for fear and unknown inner restrictions?)
Or is it just cool?

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:42 pm

Cailon wrote:
HumanRage wrote:i don't think star wars or star trek would have existed without Asimov
he is the real father of warp drive, robots and all the rest ... and he described an alternative future running over 40 000+ years ... in the 50-60s !
yeah, thats true indeed, I cant say anything against that! Asimov rules.

For the space nazis, I mean: I know, its said that they colonized mars in BAA, but what we dont know yet is, if they are the ancestors of the whole mars population present or just a small colony -- and the mars was colonized by humanity again later.
(ah ok, i know now, what you implied, HumanRage) In both cases it would mean, that Panzer Kunst is a nazi technique and, if I go further, the attack on earth by the marsian force (including Yoko) was a nazi commando. Or? (well at least the last part could be overinterpreted... (hopefully))

i implied nothing

i myself forgot about all this nazi stuff in GLO until you spoke about that, then i remembered of the nazi paramilitary faction.

i myself HATE german language, because
- i found that horrible to hear
- my dad forced me to do 3 years of it in high school
- did i mention i found that language horrible to hear ?

but i make an exception for Gally

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:12 pm

Cailon and HumanRage have started a Q&A war.

I sincerely believe that the Nazi rôle in the story is about to be explained yet. When I read volume 1, first series, I wondered (as everyone) what had happened to Alita, once she had been found in the garbage. The explanation came when I had already forgotten the question.

As to the German language, I agree entirely: the sound is terrible. But the worst part is that they insist in using that stupid alien character (perhaps Martian) ß and the rule that determines all nouns must be written in capital letter. For God's sake!!!

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:42 pm

even without WW2, german would still be considered evil

(ok, maybe because of WWI, and the french vs german war of 1870)

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:44 pm

I believe you shouldn't exaggerate, even because French are not exactly saints. They've been colonialists along history, and the French Revolution was simply a bloodbath. Don't say they were defending liberty, fraternity and equality (except if the awarded were supposed to find them in hell). In WW2, they changed to the German side and when the war was in the end, they rechanged to the Allies side. Very convenient.

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 3:52 am

i guess smileys in my first answer about my school days were not enough

tcd · Post by **tcd** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:41 pm

Sergio wrote:I believe you shouldn't exaggerate, even because French are not exactly saints. They've been colonialists along history, and the French Revolution was simply a bloodbath. Don't say they were defending liberty, fraternity and equality (except if the awarded were supposed to find them in hell). In WW2, they changed to the German side and when the war was in the end, they rechanged to the Allies side. Very convenient.

Uhm, I recall differently: france got invaded by nazis, some frenchmen acquiesced, other went into hiding and organized resistance (Maquis) against german invaders till the allies finally disembarkend in france on D-Day.

Besides you might have mistaken france with Italy. during WWII Italian's fascist regimen allied with germany, but italians too had splitted in two factions: one with germans and another went into resistance (Partisans)

Sorry but I haven't got time to refine further my english: I'm italian and down with flu

PS: if you want to talk about colonialism, I believe the UK were slightly more colonialists than French and didn't really appreciate much India's attempts to become indipendent

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:29 pm

OMG WHAT HAVE I DONE

SERIOUS THREAD ON MANGA SCANLATION FORUM

OH SHI-

Post by **^Ripper** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:08 pm

Enjoy your B&

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:07 am

SERIOUS THREAD ON MANGA SCANLATION FORUM Shocked

I guess, that "Abaddon" cannon idea is based on a Heim theory. Interesting thing indeed.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:15 pm

Well, I've naver said British were different. I'm not so naïve.
As to the resistance in France and Italy, I could say that even in Germany there were people who did not agree with the system.

Here in Brazil, we always had politicians and citizens fighting dictatorship, but that doesn't change that the regime lasted more than 25 years. Actually, the entire South America lived tre experience and, believe me, no one envies us.

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:05 am

Very funny to read the opinions about german language

really! We indeed have similar problems with it (writing capital letters and so on)

I really think, the japanese people only like the foreign sound and don't really care for the language. Like Münchhausen (Urotsukidoji) or Hagen (Agent Aika) in german language, but the story has nothing to do with germany, but also like "Espada" from Bleach... i dont know if this word actually IS spanish, but at least it sounds like it (i'm not firm with Bleach and any other potential spanish elements in it). I mean these european languages are a whole different family.

For the political discussion, i can only agree, that one cannot say easily, this country made it the easy way and another one is thoroughly evil. Together with a smiley it could be a funny side blow, indeed, but one shouldn't have such blinkered opinions for real, its just wrong.
Also, its very important to discuss about history, especially the history of south america, because many facts (like the doings of the USA down there) are not fully investigated yet, but we may be should open another thread for that.. but we're not talking about Schwerer Gustav anyway...

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:35 pm

I have never read Bleach (I'm sorry), but "espada" is "sword" in both in Spanish and Portuguese. But don't say the languages sound similar. Portuguese is among the phonetically richest languages on the planet, while Spanish is exactly the opposite. They are proud to say that they have only five vowels.

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:36 pm

On topic :

Gunnm's calendar is based on "spatial era", where poitn zero is the launche of Spoutnik, the first artificial human satellite ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_1

thursday will be year 50

Post by **crazyankan** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 12:49 am

Maybe I can fix some kind of birthday present to celebrate that

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:21 pm

One more reason for me to be proud of my country and Sputnik constructor Korolev.

And, I think, everyone in Russia will celebrate it. =)))

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:14 pm

Yeah, the Sputnik anniversary, I wanted to make a post about that topic on 4th october, too

ES 50 ladies and gentlemen! (by the way, in three years the mars must be colonizated! And another two years later... well, shit happens.)

I myself find it very cool, that Sputnik get this honor (in BAA and real life)

. Not always the americans with their moonlanding but the first artefact in space build by humankind. yosh!

About Bleach: I read a chapter time by time, but everytime I say to me: no, I just dont like this drawings, nor do I like the storyline... much too easy and predictable. But anyway, another word there is in this manga "las noches", wich even I recognize as "the night" or something like that...
Thanks for the Espada hint, Sword makes sense.