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Post by kamugin » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:05 am

My brother suggested me this series (he doesn’t read Gunnm). In spite of my very limited capacity of focusing on anything right now I decided to watch first a trailer and a short spoiler-less review. I've downloaded the first episode to confirm what I already had in mind. In my first attempt watching, I've stopped at almost seven minutes into the episode because of impatience and lack of focus. Today I was able to go on, but on minute 31 I had already figured what it is all about: a quantum computer able to predict the future, or more exactly a quantum wave collapser. Actually that was my hunch since I watched the trailer. So, here is the question: where have we seen this before?
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Response: in the vampiric arc, the quantum computer that would become Melchizedek. I don't know if the idea is originally by Kishiro, after all these concepts have been around for many years now, but I bet it was Kishiro who put them together for the first time. Then I ask you: plagiarism or just coincidence? Have any of you seen something like this before the vampiric arc?

If in any moment they talk about Vedic Mathematics I will be sure this series is a plagiarism.

By the way, I am an adept of the multiple universe theory to explain the double slit experiment.
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Re: Devs

Post by 00_unit » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:00 pm

kamugin wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:05 am
My brother suggested me this series (he doesn’t read Gunnm). In spite of my very limited capacity of focusing on anything right now I decided to watch first a trailer and a short spoiler-less review. I've downloaded the first episode to confirm what I already had in mind. In my first attempt watching, I've stopped at almost seven minutes into the episode because of impatience and lack of focus. Today I was able to go on, but on minute 31 I had already figured what it is all about: a quantum computer able to predict the future, or more exactly a quantum wave collapser. Actually that was my hunch since I watched the trailer. So, here is the question: where have we seen this before?
Spoiler:
Response: in the vampiric arc, the quantum computer that would become Melchizedek. I don't know if the idea is originally by Kishiro, after all these concepts have been around for many years now, but I bet it was Kishiro who put them together for the first time. Then I ask you: plagiarism or just coincidence? Have any of you seen something like this before the vampiric arc?

If in any moment they talk about Vedic Mathematics I will be sure this series is a plagiarism.

By the way, I am an adept of the multiple universe theory to explain the double slit experiment.
I thing battle angel alita is the only one until now, as I am an avid sci fi reader, also I research list of fictional computers for fun and none of them mention about predicting future as battle angel is the original and the other is most likely an imitator. The closest one to use the sci fi genre to come up future predicting concepts in a sci fi style is minority report and even than that concept was different as it used espers instead.

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Re: Devs

Post by Martin » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:02 pm

I think Devs was amazing. Lifetime top 10 sci-fi. The cliffhanger before the final episode was amazing.

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Re: Devs

Post by kamugin » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:18 am

Martin wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:02 pm
I think Devs was amazing. Lifetime top 10 sci-fi. The cliffhanger before the final episode was amazing.
That tell us nothing about the question I’ve made. I am just at the very beginning of the third episode and perhaps I'll drop the entire series there. How old are you? That first scene made me remember a ludicrous series of the 60's The Time Tunnel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Tunnel and one famous episode of Star Trek: The City on the Edge of Forever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_ ... of_Forever. Young people these days get easily impressed because they have seen too little. (No I’m not from the 60’s, these series were re-aired in the 70’s and 80’s here in my country, I was a child back then)
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Re: Devs

Post by kamugin » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:44 am

00_unit wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:00 pm
I thing battle angel alita is the only one until now, as I am an avid sci fi reader, also I research list of fictional computers for fun and none of them mention about predicting future as battle angel is the original and the other is most likely an imitator. The closest one to use the sci fi genre to come up future predicting concepts in a sci fi style is minority report and even than that concept was different as it used espers instead.
With the years I have seen a number of ideas, in American movies and series, that I first saw in anime or manga or series like Perry Rhodan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Rhodan . Often I suspect of plagiarism, but it isn't up to me to sue the responsibles. The acclaimed and award winning The Shape of Water is a plagiarism of a short sci-fi movie that I saw on Youtube some time before: The Space Between Us https://youtu.be/vZO9uh5z47k. American writers and directors have no shame in copying less known works from others without giving credits and, specially, without paying royalties.
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Re: Devs

Post by 00_unit » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:15 am

kamugin wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:44 am
00_unit wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:00 pm
I thing battle angel alita is the only one until now, as I am an avid sci fi reader, also I research list of fictional computers for fun and none of them mention about predicting future as battle angel is the original and the other is most likely an imitator. The closest one to use the sci fi genre to come up future predicting concepts in a sci fi style is minority report and even than that concept was different as it used espers instead.
With the years I have seen a number of ideas, in American movies and series, that I first saw in anime or manga or series like Perry Rhodan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Rhodan . Often I suspect of plagiarism, but it isn't up to me to sue the responsibles. The acclaimed and award winning The Shape of Water is a plagiarism of a short sci-fi movie that I saw on Youtube some time before: The Space Between Us https://youtu.be/vZO9uh5z47k. American writers and directors have no shame in copying less known works from others without giving credits and, specially, without paying royalties.
Well that isn't too surprising, I mean we see this sometimes, people taking ideas from others like Avatar is a rip off of dancing with wolves, hunger games similar to battle royale, elysium and Astro boy 2009 ripping off battle angel alita is another one. One more I can think of The mandalorian and lone wolf and cub is extremely similar but except the former is a sci fi setting. One I know that is coincidence is the Berserk series being quite similar to the evil dead series the author of berserk likes evil dead but says it is a coincidence.

Also I agree with you young people have low bars, I feel like I too critical sometimes despite me being 25 years old, I normally am not a fan of super popular series as I tend(not always) think they are overrated.

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Re: Devs

Post by Martin » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:10 am

The Shape of Water shares many themes with the director's earlier "Pan's Labyrinth" so you are wrong about worrying about plagiarism.

Sounds like Devs isn't for you. The computation whoah doesn't hit until 6,7, and 8.

I would consider all of Asimov's positronic brains to be of the same "magic computer"/Quantum variety. Not unique to Alita.

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Re: Devs

Post by Martin » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:26 am

It isn't a quantum wave collapser in Devs, it is a multiverse thing...which is a funny major subplot point. It is the opposite of any kind of quantum observability magic dust honestly....

Basically the big Whoah is a complete simulation of all reality with a 1-second in the future view, so chaining those seconds forward on infinite simulated machines is a big part. The plot revolves around when the future predictions fail. They hit a point in time barrier. Magic Sci-fi Fairy Dust.

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Re: Devs

Post by 00_unit » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:17 am

Martin wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:26 am
It isn't a quantum wave collapser in Devs, it is a multiverse thing...which is a funny major subplot point. It is the opposite of any kind of quantum observability magic dust honestly....

Basically the big Whoah is a complete simulation of all reality with a 1-second in the future view, so chaining those seconds forward on infinite simulated machines is a big part. The plot revolves around when the future predictions fail. They hit a point in time barrier. Magic Sci-fi Fairy Dust.
Sounds quite similar to that 90s film called minority report, where the themes of future prediction using sci fi concepts was the forefront of those stories

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Re: Devs

Post by Martin » Fri May 08, 2020 1:14 am

not as futuristic as Minority Report. The story centerpiece tech is infinitely beyond minority report...I hated the idea of a drug that granted them precognition.

Devs is cerebral. Mega beings.

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