It is just a question!!

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:58 pm

If Koyomi was fifteen when she released Barjack War Chronicle (first series, volume 9, page 239), how can she be eighteen five years later (page 241)?

Meh · Post by **Meh** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:35 am

It's not polite to point out plotholes like that.

Twitchywrote · Post by **Twitchywrote** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:03 am

Sergio wrote:If Koyomi was fifteen when she released Barjack War Chronicle (first series, volume 9, page 239), how can she be eighteen five years later (page 241)?

Brother, don't you know that Last Order started after Gally exploded in the middle of volume 9? Last Order didn't start at the end of volume 9. It started in the middle. Right after she was blown up by Nova's doll-bomb. It was Kishiro's attempt at a new means of returning to the story.

MrFaber · Post by **MrFaber** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:06 am

During the Barjack War Koyomi was 13 old. Did you read it in your country's language? Maybe it was changed in 15 due to accord to some local law.

Twitchywrote · Post by **Twitchywrote** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:10 am

Twitchywrote wrote:
Sergio wrote:If Koyomi was fifteen when she released Barjack War Chronicle (first series, volume 9, page 239), how can she be eighteen five years later (page 241)?
Brother, don't you know that Last Order started after Gally exploded in the middle of volume 9? Last Order didn't start at the end of volume 9. It started in the middle. Right after she was blown up by Nova's doll-bomb. It was Kishiro's attempt at a new means of returning to the story.

I just realized that what I said had NO bearing on the subject at hand. And I can't delete it! Please disregard.

Twitchywrote · Post by **Twitchywrote** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:14 am

MrFaber wrote:During the Barjack War Koyomi was 13 old. Did you read it in your country's language? Maybe it was changed in 15 due to accord to some local law.

Sergio has a point, though. In the English version she was 15 when she compiled the Barjack Chronicles, yet she's 18 "five years later." Maybe...uhm...maybe the book wasn't released at the end of the war? It doesn't say it was released after the building of the Tower. It could have been released during the war or the construction? I'm just tossing guesses...

MrFaber · Post by **MrFaber** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:44 pm

Well, in official BAA timeline Kojomi is 13 during barjack war. She is 18 when she publish the photobook about the tower of Salem, but that's out of the cutted original ending, 5 years after Nova's hidehout facts. Actually BAALO is 17 monts after Sechs activation (as he says), which must have been abuot at the end of barjack war, as 2 and 10, which we see in the volumes. So Koyomi "now" si about 14-15 old

Twitchywrote · Post by **Twitchywrote** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:49 pm

MrFaber wrote:Well, in official BAA timeline Kojomi is 13 during barjack war. She is 18 when she publish the photobook about the tower of Salem, but that's out of the cutted original ending, 5 years after Nova's hidehout facts. Actually BAALO is 17 monts after Sechs activation (as he says), which must have been abuot at the end of barjack war, as 2 and 10, which we see in the volumes. So Koyomi "now" si about 14-15 old

Oh, I know how old she is in Last Order, but I'm talking about the end of 9, which really has nothing to do with Last Order at all.

MrFaber · Post by **MrFaber** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:02 pm

In the original ending Koyomi publish "The Barjack War" 1 year after the time when Alita sacrifices to save the orbital ring, and Jeru, Salem and Scrapyard with it and Alita is revived by Nova one year after he killed her. So 2 years have passed since the war took place and Koyomi is 15 old. The 3 more years passes (5 from the war) and she publish "The Tower of I Don't Remember What", and she is 18

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:00 pm

MrFaber wrote:During the Barjack War Koyomi was 13 old. Did you read it in your country's language? Maybe it was changed in 15 due to accord to some local law.

Are you making fun of me?
Anyway, I'm referring to Viz's edition.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:03 pm

Twitchywrote wrote:Brother, don't you know that Last Order started after Gally exploded in the middle of volume 9? Last Order didn't start at the end of volume 9. It started in the middle. Right after she was blown up by Nova's doll-bomb. It was Kishiro's attempt at a new means of returning to the story.

You do NOT make sense.
It seems you did not understand my question.

Twitchywrote · Post by **Twitchywrote** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:02 am

Sergio wrote:
Twitchywrote wrote:Brother, don't you know that Last Order started after Gally exploded in the middle of volume 9? Last Order didn't start at the end of volume 9. It started in the middle. Right after she was blown up by Nova's doll-bomb. It was Kishiro's attempt at a new means of returning to the story.
You do NOT make sense.
It seems you did not understand my question.

And YOU did not read my disclaimer.

MrFaber · Post by **MrFaber** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:10 am

[quote]Are you making fun of me? [/quote]

Not at all, just politely answering and hypotizing. Did it sound so weird? Here sometime happens that a character's age is "rised a bit" due to avoid throubles with his/her presence in sexual sequences, like the tipical schoolgirls from hentai games, which are declared 18 or 19 old when in the first form they can't be more then 16 old.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:39 pm

Twitchywrote wrote:
And YOU did not read my disclaimer.

Please accept my apologies.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:43 pm

Twitchywrote wrote: Sergio has a point, though. In the English version she was 15 when she compiled the Barjack Chronicles, yet she's 18 "five years later." Maybe...uhm...maybe the book wasn't released at the end of the war? It doesn't say it was released after the building of the Tower. It could have been released during the war or the construction? I'm just tossing guesses...

You understood my point, thanks.
I simply meant to observe that the narrative is confusing.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:44 pm

MrFaber wrote: Not at all, just politely answering and hypotizing. Did it sound so weird? Here sometime happens that a character's age is "rised a bit" due to avoid throubles with his/her presence in sexual sequences, like the tipical schoolgirls from hentai games, which are declared 18 or 19 old when in the first form they can't be more then 16 old.

I did not mean to sound rude. Please excuse me if it seemed that.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:46 pm

Meh wrote:It's not polite to point out plotholes like that.

I apologize for delay in answering, but I did like your note.

MrFaber · Post by **MrFaber** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:28 pm

>I did not mean to sound rude. Please excuse me if it seemed that.

Me neither, excuse me too

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:02 am

The little timeline in the 2nd extra story also suggests this plothole. In the year "after Koyomi" 4 (where Koyomi obviously is 4

), Alita joined the Tuned. If i remember right, she did that job for 10 years, so Koyomi then was 14/ 15 and not 13.
Lets wait for the GLO epilogue and see, if Kishiro found the mistake too

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:26 pm

Cailon wrote:The little timeline in the 2nd extra story also suggests this plothole. In the year "after Koyomi" 4 (where Koyomi obviously is 4 ), Alita joined the Tuned. If i remember right, she did that job for 10 years, so Koyomi then was 14/ 15 and not 13.
Lets wait for the GLO epilogue and see, if Kishiro found the mistake too

Great, Cailon!
Your opinion is, as always, useful.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:34 pm

Another question that occurred to me these days:

Panzer Kunst is a martial art developed by cyborgs to cyborgs, right?
How can we explain that Erica, being 100% human, was also an apprentice? Just asking.

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:06 am

we don't know if she was 100% human

and by the way, Figure/Foggia just redeveloped the punzer kunst from scratch, on his own !

Twitchywrote · Post by **Twitchywrote** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:16 am

Sergio wrote:Another question that occurred to me these days:

Panzer Kunst is a martial art developed by cyborgs to cyborgs, right?
How can we explain that Erica, being 100% human, was also an apprentice? Just asking.

If you look at her in Last Order Volume 2, she is clearly cybernetic. She may not have always been, but she, in those flashbacks, has metal arms and hands very similar to Yoko's and Gelda's.

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:51 am

Erica is the little girl with little Yoko, right? Then she only had one hand and one eye, so she now must have cybernetic implants.

But Foggia is quite something. He mastered the Frequency Shock (Herza Heon?) being a human, he somehow dodged all the Bar Jack bullets in the deserted city...
I dont know, if he is just the cool, strong guy, that Gally needs or if there is something more going on.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:52 pm

I apologize for delay in commenting. I had to check before agreeing or disagreeing, but I was too busy. Finally, I could check about Erica.

Back to Last Order, volume 1.

In page 16, it is clear and obvious that Erica has both feet. It is true that she lacks one eye, what appears repaired in page 76.
But the fact is that a single eye would NOT make her a cyborg. If she was not 100% human, she would be 98%. How would you classify someone with denture or eyeglasses? We have to conclude that she would be essentially human, flesh and bones, too fragile to practise the Panzer Kunst.

Then I noticed something strange: although in page 18, 32 and 34 she undoubtedly has a human neck, in page 76 the same neck is a mechanical gear. How to explain that?

In spite of everything, I insist in registering that Erica is a gorgeous character (and I am not referring to her physical attributes, although even physically saying she is a pretty girl).

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