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othergrunty · Post by **othergrunty** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:34 pm

Yay, finaly some Gally/Sechs interaction. We didn't had one of these since volume 5. Even though a long talk would still be nice, if you ask me.

Nice to see how the internal mechanism of her body look like, so there is really no skeleton at all. Just several main cables around a lot of fluid.

Apperently Elf and Zwoelf still feel like making jokes about Sechs despite that fact that their wires can't save them from Sechs anymore?

Oh that skinny Cyborg is still alive. Looks like the Space Karate team at least got one additional member after the fight. As long as Elf and Zwoelf don't lure him into a gargabe disposal press.

It's funny, in the scene in which Sechs tries to find the solution to the supersonic trick, she looks totaly male. However when she has the towel around the shoulder and finds Zazi she has a less masculine look on the face.
I just notice that the interface doll is missing during that scene.
Seems like Sechs actualy sees it as part of her combat gear.

Kind of nice of Sechs to save that mechanic guy by ripping his arms off before the Hearza Haeon blows his body appart. Luckily he wasn't a normal human.

Gally only needs cat ears now and she becomes totaly adorable while deadly.

And than the interaction between Gally and Sechs. I notice that they still have a little bit of simliarity, despite Sechs male body and face.

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:55 pm

Gally only needs cat ears now and she becomes totaly adorable while deadly.

She will become mainstream and even more ridiculous.

Twitchywrote · Post by **Twitchywrote** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:59 pm

Int 29Ah wrote:
Gally only needs cat ears now and she becomes totaly adorable while deadly.
She will become mainstream and even more ridiculous.

Says the person with the Gally-as-a-bird icon. She's NOT going to go "mainstream" whatever the hell that means. Kishiro wouldn't do that.

I had arranged it so replies to this thread were reaching my inbox, but as of right now, I don't want to watch this thread anymore. Any positive input is shouted down by whiny naysayers! I can't take it anymore!

litchi master · Post by **litchi master** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:01 pm

I wouldn't worry too much about Elf and Zwolf if I were you though they are here primarily for comic relief and fan service. they are still künstlers skilled enough to dispose of M'badi's Covert Ops troups, so...

About the "new" Alita, she reminds me very much of the state of mind she had after yugo's death, very haughty and dare devil.
After all she has survived death and a huge trauma, learning that she had a brainchip in place of a brain. this behaviour may be her way to deal with it.

BeastSoulEyes · Post by **BeastSoulEyes** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:11 pm

Twitchywrote wrote: Says the person with the Gally-as-a-bird icon. She's NOT going to go "mainstream" whatever the hell that means. Kishiro wouldn't do that.

I had arranged it so replies to this thread were reaching my inbox, but as of right now, I don't want to watch this thread anymore. Any positive input is shouted down by whiny naysayers! I can't take it anymore!

So far you are the only one really bitching... And in case you don't know it, the bird represent the Linux penguin, which is the absolute opposite of mainstream (as opposed to Windows).

So yea, the story is finally starting to get back on track. We just need to see what will happen during the final stages of the Zott and Mars will be the new arc.

Edit: Sorry for the edit but I really need to say it, I'm happy

! Finally an interesting chapter. Just look at the faces of those two monsters in a small room ready to jump at each other. The strange vibration emanating from Xazi, Sechs meditating and becoming stronger, and Mars... The Zott influence is starting to get away, its coming back to a bit like what it was before it. So yea, really nice chapter.

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:26 pm

2 Twitchywrote:

Says the person with the Gally-as-a-bird icon.

You have just shown your lack of knowledge. This is not just a bird. It's a Tux, a linux mascot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux

There are only two things I'm a fan of. They are Gunnm and linux.
This is a hybrid picture from a Tux factory.
http://tux.crystalxp.net/
More particularly, it's http://tux.crystalxp.net/en.id.2049-tux-gally-g1.html.

Any positive input is shouted down by whiny naysayers!

I'm not a naysayer. If I'm a naysayer, than you are a "nyaaaasayer". I'm radically against alita-as-a-cat concept. Haven't you got enough catgirls? They are one big mainstream in genre. Next step in this concept applied to her is that she will say "Nyaaa..." eventually. Everything is going that way. What positive do you see in this? Are you a zoophile? I'm definitely not. I hate even a catgirl concept, and if you adore it, it's your choise.

It's what I'm trying to say.

BeastSoulEyes · Post by **BeastSoulEyes** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:18 am

Oh Btw, don't forget that the Ladder still has to recapture the Mars spatioport that has fallen under the control of a Neo-Nazi group. This is maybe what this operation: Hogel is about.

Twitchywrote · Post by **Twitchywrote** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:36 am

I believe that it's Kishiro's choice, and not going down the route you predict it will. I don't think she's going to do what you say she will, but I think everything Kishiro has done has had a purpose thus far, and the cat-body is just a natural progression in what he's trying to do, even if we're not completely sure what that is yet.

Not a zoophile. But I don't mind it, either.

litchi master · Post by **litchi master** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 11:38 pm

hum ... operation Hogel what is that? I can't read Japanese so I am quite eager to learn more about that. Are there more details in the latest episode?

concerning the recent developments of the plot of GLO I can understand that some may be a bit disapointed. but we cannot see the bigger picture yet, Kishiro rarely does things without a purpose and many things that seem to be but triffles now may prove crucial later on. how about the secret of Zalem/ tiphareswhich has only been totally uncovered in the beginning of Last order? kimuji? or more recently the P-box?Who would have guessed what was going to happen in volume 10.

I myself was very disappointed with the seventh volume of the first series and truly hated it. I found anything related to Kaos totally dumb and the fact that he conviniently happened to be Nova's son, was even worse. Author's lazyness I thought in my ignorance. But as I read the volume and found out Kaos and Den's relationship the character began to arouse my interest and Idiscovered in the two following volume a character far denser in his development than I had expected.
and though the seventh volume in still the one I like least in the whole series I recognize it is necessary to the storyline and the whole manga wouldn't work without it.
And I think the same thing about what is happening now we just don't see it yet.
I for one think that this cat appearance may symbolize Alita's mind going wild after the huge shock she has experienced to try and reconstruct herself. I may be wrong.

BeastSoulEyes · Post by **BeastSoulEyes** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:39 am

litchi master wrote:hum ... operation Hogel what is that? I can't read Japanese so I am quite eager to learn more about that. Are there more details in the latest episode?

Look the last pages of the phase with the picture of mars. You will notice a lot of explosions remains and in the center something that can be identified as a spatioport (maybe!). Also in the upleft corner it is written "Operation: Hagel" (not Hogel, my bad) in english

(I can't read japanese either, I really wish I could...).
This time its for real, the story is drifting to Mars hopefully. M'badi is probably implicated in this operation (the 3rd image point to it imo), which I really approve

.

I don't mind Gally's cat behavior, just surprised by it and a bit not used to it even if I do love cats

, was just really NOT expecting that in GLO. Time will tell if this behavior had a justification. The only thing I mind is the horrible Venus/Space Karate overall period, those phases are likely to be my "volume 7", but it won't make me lose faith in Kishiro, it just decrease my overall appreciation of the ZOTT (which was really well done in the beginning but soon started to go out of control as soon as guess who entered the scene).

litchi master · Post by **litchi master** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:04 am

Thanks I had overlooked it.
I would be prone to think the same, it is exactly the same picture kishiro has already used in the third volume of LO when he presented Mars at the Ladder meeting. only it was just smaller and lacked this wisp of smoke at the back. So yeah I think this is the operation about the martian space port we heard of in volume3.

Isidorios · Post by **Isidorios** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:29 am

Alita/Gally has had cat-like personality attributes since the original series. Also, when her "Fighting spirit" was quelled by Desty Nova inside the computer dreamworld, it took refuge inside the dream-cat that was her namesake.

Honestly, I don't think Alita has EVER been a "real" human being. We've been shown that she's been in a machine body since a toddler (LO#1), and Nova discovered that her organic brain is in fact permeated with an unknown supernanotech polymer.

I suspect that she's a construct of Mechelzidek, an unknowing avatar of the "Robot God". Mechelzidek is either using her to influence certain events to it's satisfaction, or is exploring humanity through her, IMO.

I think that Mechelzidek is to some degree responsible for her amnesia, and is still supressing certain memories. I think that the original Yoko turned out badly (in Mechelzidek's opinion), and that the Supercomputer "rebooted" her memory to give her another chance at growing into a better person, only allowing her to re-merge when she was deemed strong enough.

I believe Desty Nova was correct when he called her brain an Unparalleled Karmatron Generator. I think it's function is patterned after Mechelzidek's own Quantum brain, and that it began to reach it's full function in the Imaginos Body. I believe her early symptoms of being out of sync were the first subconcious attempts to alter Quantum spacetime, and backfired. With the Imaginos 2.0 and the link to Mechelzidek, she's now able to properly bend reality in a limited way. What the Karate Master is percieving as a mental effect is an actual warping of probability.

Just a theory of mine.

Isidorios · Post by **Isidorios** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:51 am

Just to postulate a bit further, I think her new ability is essentially a "re-rolling of the dice". She's actively affecting probability the way Mechelzidek has been used by Trinidad to alter outcomes.

Take the fight against Vilma/Caerula. She describes her 8-Block Death Gate in terms that she's familiar with from her past, Chinese mysticism and philosophy mostly. What she really seems to be using is a 6th sense that attunes her to Karmatron/Quantum vibration. Hence she is able to sense the trajectory of a huge number of bullets, something that simply "reading an opponent" wouldn't account for.

So she's shown cleaving Alita's head in twain, and we are shown (and she hears) it falling to the ground. The explanation that Vilma comes to "I slew her intent" is not accurate. What has really happened is that Alita has used her new Quantum Probability Distort and actually changed the outcome. Vilma is simply the only one attuned enough to Quantum vibrations to still recall the previous outcome. Hence, neither the audience nor the cameras detect anything out of the ordinary.

We see this again, of course, when the Armor-Piercing Karate Master drives his hand into her chest, detects his own successful strike, then Alita is abruptly shown to have dodged over and avoided it. Taraba calls it "Mental Emptiness", but he's limited by his own perceptions and is unable to percieve the quantum reality shift.

Perhaps Alita is a means for Mechelzidek to escape Ladder's control, and destroy Trinidad's arm-lock on Destiny.

Isidorios · Post by **Isidorios** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:54 am

So anyways, I don't think Alita is a Human that's becoming cat-like...I think that she literally might be the "Schrodinger's Cat", a unique personality construct given independent sentience by Mechelzidek.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:24 am

Welcome to the community, Isidorios.
I did like your theory. It is really interesting.

litchi master · Post by **litchi master** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:25 pm

Wow that's some theory indeed it's really interesting but we'll have to wait quite a bit to see it proven or disproven, yet the fact that you think Gally/Alita may not be human at all seems to go along the lines of the first plot of Gunnm Martian Memories (my first basis for my own hypotheses) with the Jinmen seed thing.

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:47 pm

2 Isidorios:

What an amazing theory! Fck! It has got me! o_0
One of the most sane things I've read here. A totally new point of view. I think, that it's it. It's really possible. o_0

moooV · Post by **moooV** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:32 pm

Also, have never thought about it that way. Very original point of view. Totally got me now. o_0

bonedaddy · Post by **bonedaddy** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:15 pm

Quick, spot-translation of general vibe:

- Toji realizes his ambitions of a Karate Planet were frivolous and empty, comes to see Earth as beautiful.
- ZOTT is being delayed to repair damages, and Mbadi is up to something. I think.
- Sechs figures out that the secret to be moving while being still is to use the circulation in the Fizziroy body to build up pressure/speed to supersonic limits.
- All that creepy dude says is "Hey, Rabbit girls, let's play with {uncle} (ojisan)! Hee hee hee!"
- Derossi and the other guy find Zazie fainted.
- Zazie's entire body is doing some sort of Herza Haeon-type vibration, and blows up Derossi's arms.
- Alita shows up and is a total asshole about Zazie, and Sechs lectures her

S: "What the hell. Isn't Zazie our comrade?!"
A: "I don't know what you're saying. Am I supposed to apologize for getting all the taiyaki?" [getting the best of everything]
S: "You can't think of anyone outside yourself, you selfish bitch! You'll just use anyone!"
A: "Get your hands off me!"
S: "And if I don't?"
A: "Did I just hear something like "comrade" come out of your mouth? Grown up a bit, have we?"
S: "You don't need anyone except yourself! I was a fool to ever think we were really teammates!"

- Zazie wakes up and was like, "Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, but one month ago, I was on Mars and I met a Kunstler.　After you guys separated from Leviathan 1, we went back to Mars and I began my new duty, helping with anti-guerilla tactics at Olympus Spaceport.

DUN DUN DUN

Post by **crazyankan** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:53 am

bonedaddy: Many thanks for the resumé

So bonedaddy, you couldn't stop reading gunnm?

Dream · Post by **Dream** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:05 am

looks even better with some part of the dialogues. So now Zechs is the caring one and Gally is the hearthless bitch. interesting.

zhek · Post by **zhek** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:58 am

coo development. so nice to see shit move away from ZOTT again, the characters that were established through it aren't bad.

Isidorios · Post by **Isidorios** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:36 am

It IS good to see the ZOTT finally finished, but I felt it served it's purpose wonderfully. Kishiro has fleshed out most of the cultures in the Solar System through it, and introduced us to the strange outlaws that survive at the fringes of the Federation. Sechs recieved a large amount of attention, and his character is really starting to establish itself as a co-lead in the book.

Just as Earth's past would've been foggy without the Cognate arc, the ZOTT has been a means to learn the nuances of the current conflict, with exciting battles instead of long-winded history lessons. Can't wait for Mars!

This site is such an excellent way to bridge that long, cold gap between official US releases, and I'm glad to have found it!

Isidorios · Post by **Isidorios** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:02 am

I'd also like to add to my previous theory (perhaps I should make a thread to ramble in). In LO 9 the elderly Arthur mentions that Mechelzidek's quantum brain is not only able to make future predictions, but also able to draw information from the past. This is likely the explanation for it's ability to show Alita a "movie" of the post-apocalypse from Vilma's vantage.

But if Alita's brain functions in the same fashion (especially in her upgrade), it would serve to explain how she is able to draw forth Panzer Kunst techniques that she's never been taught. The best example being the fight with Raven Tsai, where Alita uses secret Meister-level techniques to defeat him. No plausible explanation for her to know these moves has been shown yet, she might very well be plucking moves out of the distant past (and possibly even the future!).

Arthur's computer-ghost states "The quantum vibrations your life set forth eternally continue to echo throughout space."
So we have Caerula, who can read quantum vibrations to divine the near future. Kaos, with material objects as a focus, who can read and channel quantum vibrations from the past. And Alita who may be learning to not only channel techniques from the past, and read outcomes, but actually alter those outcomes.

I REALLY should've simply made a separate thread about this

BeastSoulEyes · Post by **BeastSoulEyes** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:39 am

Another great mind join the forum, welcome Isidorios. And yes, your theory is really interesting and maybe probably right. The whole thing about Quantum physics might have caught Kishiro-san's eyes. Its especially interesting when you remember that when she absorbed Tungunska, the whole robot was about quantum mechanic (the wormhole), and when the scientists monitoring Tungunska got killed, they said something about being attacked by a special kind of nanomachines. Maybe she is now able to control nanomachines that are able to make use of quantum mechanisms.

Anyway, I'm very far from an expert in it but you seems to know some stuff about it. I'm really in favor of a thread about Quantum physic, I'm willing to learn

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