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How do we download from that site? I am completely lost.kamugin wrote:http://beta.gotlurk.net/
The site does work. There are two different ways to download manga from #lurk. First one: you need to register in the website and then login, next you type the search query and then, if the search is successful, it will display something like this:Sergio wrote:How do we download from that site? I am completely lost.
Or maybe you could upload the series to a server that does work.
Claymore is being published here in Pindorama and I'm collecting it, but I started reading it with English scanlations... I still prefer the scanlations since Pindorama's version is a bit lamevilma21 wrote:hmm id like to read that.. um a manga i find very entertaing is claymore.. i like the actin and story..good stuff!!
Claymore is being published here in Pindorama and I'm collecting it, but I started reading it with English scanlations... I still prefer the scanlations since Pindorama's version is a bit lamekamugin wrote:
[/quote]I try to support Brazilian manga publishers but generally I don't like their translations, more specifically lame choose of therms and slangs. For example I hate when they replace "sempai" for "veterano(a)". Who in Brazil calls an upperclassman "veterano"?! So I am purchasing the Brazilian edition of Claymore, Tenjo Tenge, MPD Psycho, Highschool of The Dead, Nausicaa, Evangelion and others already finished but usually I don't read them, I prefer the scanlations since the fans have a better care with the stuff they translate. Also some publishers here, like Conrad or Panini, didn't finish many mangas they started publishing: Nausicaa, Eden, Peach Girl, Evangelion, Doctor Slump, One Piece are examples.Sergio wrote:1. I have never read Claymore, but I can say that there are Portuguese language scanlation, certainly (http://evandrinhodaringmind.blogspot.co ... manga.html)
2. As to the translation… well, it's published by Panini Brazil, and Panini Brazil has NEVER made decent works.
Viz isn't that bad =) I'll have a look at Eternal Sabbath.vilma21 wrote:.lol i hate viz they suck they also publish claymore..
an other good read is eternal sabbath!! :
Who in Brazil calls an upperclassman "sampai"? Your protest does not make sense.kamugin wrote:Who in Brazil calls an upperclassman "veterano"?!
Kinda was expecting this objection so I should have clarified it earlier. Words, therms and expressions that doesn't have a good translation should remain in the original form with a note to explain them. This is the case of "sempai", "san", "kun", "chan", "(o)nii san" and many others. The best translation will ever be just an aproximation, a version of the original work, and Japanese have many peculiarities that make the translation very difficult for we westerner people. Just remember the many forms they have just to say "I": "watachi", "atachi", "watakushi", "boku", "ore", etc. Each of them are carried of meaning that tells a lot about the user, but since we only have "I" or "eu", that meaning is lost... By the way, translator san, which one of these Alita uses? "Watashi", "boku" or "ore"?Sergio wrote: Who in Brazil calls an upperclassman "sampai"? Your protest does not make sense.
JBC translations are the most troublesome ones since they almost never preserve the therms I mentioned earlier. Just have a look at their Aishiteruze Baby to see.Sergio wrote:As to the translations:
1. As far as I know, JBC's are first quality, according to Japanese speakers. I cannot say, as my vocabulary in Japanese is ridiculous.
One Piece may be a huge sucess in Japan but in the Occident it wasn't well accepted in many countries. After reading over 60 issues I just got tired of a story that advanced very little since the beginning and then I gave up.Sergio wrote:2. Conrad interrupted One Piece simply because they broke. The title was selling well.
That shit was just when they started publishing manga here in Brazil, now they translate from Japanese to Portuguese directly, as Elza Keiko said. The problem inside Panini Brazil is that many people there are American and European comics fans that were almost obliged by the Italian headquarters to start publishing manga here, so they screwed up a lot. But since Elza's admission, a manga fan, things changed to a better way. Nowadays Panini mangas are improving in quality. They do preserve unchanged the therms "sempai", "chan", "kun", etc. I only dislike some Brazilian slang they choose sometimes. Who calls his girl "minha mina" nowadays? Perhaps in São Paulo they still use that, I don't know since I'm from Rio and I live in Brasília. You tell me that.Sergio wrote:3. Panini has never respected anyone, and interrupting the publications the way they do just shows that. Anyway, their ethic code is completely different, even because they are not Brazilian. Their chief-editor, Elza Keiko, when interviewed by Neo Tokyo magazine, said that she does not do things the way she would like to do, but the way Italian bosses demand. It is simply that. After Eden and that interview, I decided to be careful about Panini's publications. The only thing I buy is Black Lagoon, but sometimes I wonder if it would not have been more intelligent to buy an English language version - American, British or even Australian, if possible. Also, they transformed Eden in a patchwork quilt. Imagine a story written in Japanese, full of Spanish language names. Such names are written in katakana - a system that is far from perfect - and then the final text is translated into English, retranslated into Italian, and re-retranslated into Portuguese. For God's sake, the final spelling resulted something alien (We have already done something similar here, retranslating Reinga's Spanish translation into English, but our final result was by far better). In Eden volume 21 (equivalent to original volume 11), they decided to correct some spellings. What a stupidity. Imagine Viz changing Alita into Gally and so on in the middle of the publication. Besides been scandalously incompetent, the editors at Panini are also stupid.
Many times, the approximation is preferred. Anyway, it would be senseless to prolong a discussion about translation rules here, so I give up.kamugin wrote:This is the case of "sempai", "san", "kun", "chan", "(o)nii san" and many others. The best translation will ever be just an aproximation,
Indeed! It's always better. The problem is that you would have to be the Rosetta stone itself.kamugin wrote: The best will always be reading the original... I should go back to my Japanese lessons =P
I insist. It WAS selling well.kamugin wrote:One Piece may be a huge sucess in Japan but in the Occident it wasn't well accepted in many countries. After reading over 60 issues I just got tired of a story that advanced very little since the beginning and then I gave up.
The lack of respect remains. Gunnm HFV did NOT sell well (Brazilians prefer trash like Naruto), but JBC published the entire arch. That is what I name respect for the readership. Panini interrupted Eden (in volume 10, 20 in Brazil), came back after two years, and stopped after publishing volume 11. Ridiculous! Do you really intend to defend Elza Keiko?kamugin wrote:That shit was just when they started publishing manga here in Brazil, now they translate from Japanese to Portuguese directly, as Elza Keiko said.
Yes, it IS used by many people in São Paulo, as well as cara, legal, e saco cheio. Anyway, if you are worried about regionalisms, you'll be limited to what is published in Rio de Janeiro and Brasília (supposing anything besides legislation is published in Brasíliakamugin wrote:Who calls his girl "minha mina" nowadays? Perhaps in São Paulo they still use that, I don't know since I'm from Rio and I live in Brasília. You tell me that.
).How do you know? Brazilian manga publishers never disclose theirs sales numbers.Sergio wrote:I insist. It WAS selling well.
Eden and Peach Girl were the first magas published by Panini Brazil, that was before Elza was hired, and many problems regarding licensing occurred. Regardless of that stopping publishing them before they were concluded was a disrespect with the readers I agree. Don't blame Elza Keiko for Panini mistakes, she doesn't run the Brazilian branch and, unfortunately, she even have the final word regarding manga editions. One of these subjects is the adapted translation the chief editor makes to suit what he supposes to be the Brazilian average use of words.Sergio wrote:The lack of respect remains. Gunnm HFV did NOT sell well (Brazilians prefer trash like Naruto), but JBC published the entire arch. That is what I name respect for the readership. Panini interrupted Eden (in volume 10, 20 in Brazil), came back after two years, and stopped after publishing volume 11. Ridiculous! Do you really intend to defend Elza Keiko?
So that is it! Some asshole inside Panini is imposing me the paulista weird slang, good grief! At least I didn't find yet any character saying things like: "dois pastel", "um chops", "brecar o carro" or "morou velho?" LOLSergio wrote:Yes, it IS used by many people in São Paulo, as well as cara, legal, e saco cheio. Anyway, if you are worried about regionalisms, you'll be limited to what is published in Rio de Janeiro and Brasília (supposing anything besides legislation is published in Brasília
I had promised myself this topic was over, but I never learn.kamugin wrote: Eden and Peach Girl were the first magas published by Panini Brazil, that was before Elza was hired, and many problems regarding licensing occurred.
It could be worse. Imagine if Rio Gráfica Editora still existed. After having mutilated Spider-man and destroyed Batman, nowadays they would be publishing mangas, and besides being using Cariocan terrible slang, they would be adapting songs to that disgusting funk and whatever. Remember they DID do that when they existed.kamugin wrote:So that is it! Some asshole inside Panini is imposing me the paulista weird slang, good grief! At least I didn't find yet any character saying things like: "dois pastel", "um chops", "brecar o carro" or "morou velho?" LOL
Jesus, man! It's obvious you have a personal grudge against Elza. Eden translation was already fucked up, she tried to fix it. But I agree you sholdn't change a character name in the middle of a publication. And, for the last time, Elza didn't canceled Eden, unless she was lying and I don't have a reason to believe this is the case. She told that Eden and Peach Girl were an interconnected release and since Peach Girl wasn't selling, the Italian headquarters decided to call off both titles.Sergio wrote:She didn't start the publication, that is true, but she retook the title and canceled it after a single volume. She is also the responsible for "correcting" the spellings (in volume 21, page 123).
In short, it's not my imagination.
It could be worse. Imagine if Rio Gráfica Editora still existed. After having mutilated Spider-man and destroyed Batman, nowadays they would be publishing mangas, and besides being using Cariocan terrible slang, they would be adapting songs to that disgusting funk and whatever. Remember they DID do that when they existed.
Thinking well, God exists, and He decided to extinguish that company. Hallelujah!
(sorry English speaking fellows, I'm not able to translate this) kamugin wrote:What are you? Um rato de sebo?!
Sergio wrote:kamugin wrote:What are you? Um rato de sebo?!
Something of that sort, but you don't seem to be much different.
(Take that as a praise!)
no offence intended could have been good, if :kamugin wrote:Sirius Scar (Sirius no Kizuato)
What an elaborated way to say we are totally off topic here! That was really something!litchi master wrote:This topic has veered off again, the lee of the mind is sometimes whimsical to throw boats off to the ever emerging rocks of digression.
Many thanks for your support! Regarding Berserk your introduction to this title is almost the same case as me as I related earlier. English scanlations seems to be stopping to flow, soon I'll be obliged to resort on the Brazilian (Panini) edition.litchi master wrote:I must support kamugin on several points here according the rules of translation, sempai should be kept when it makes sense (that is if the manga is supposed to take place in a japanese context) when there is no satisfying equivalent in the language you translate into.
Now, you are a seeker of curiosities, indeed you read BAA and GLO though you are not particurlarly fond of mangas.
Now to return to the subject of this topic, I'd advise berserk, I personnally don't own the 2 first volumes which in my opinion are trash and hamper the series more than they introduce it. Start with volume 3 you will not have missed a thing and this is where the real story begins. (the drawing is getting better, the plot deepens) at least read up to volume 14 and if you still think this is senseless violence then I give up. however I admit that the serialization in Brazil, splitting each issue in two doesn't help I would have given with volume 2 if afriend of mine had not been a fan and roused my interest.
Gusmith Cats Burst was published in the US by Dark Horse, the last issue (vol.5) was released on 27/April and I'm collecting them. The first four volume scanlations are available at #lurk and a torrent for the whole series is available here http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torre ... tid=136926. Burst was noticeable inferior to the first series though.litchi master wrote:I also like Gunsmith cats,a middle school crush, but Sonoda has recently (well, it was recently introduced in the stores at least) a continuation to his first series "gunsmith cats burst", but I don't have any information on this one, have you heard of it kamugin?
