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The sex of the Angel

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Time for another dumb thread again =P

Dunno if you guys discussed this already but this question always intrigued me: is our lovely angel capable of sexual intercourse??
Alita is able to eat... and poo as we saw in one of the earliest extras. Her imaginos body is like an organic synthetic body presumably with all the correspondent organs, so why not she wouldn't? But back when she was a tuned agent, she did it with Figure Four?

Master Yukito isn't very fond of fanservice, at least in BAA/BAA-LO. The most "erotic" scene he gave us was when Chaos opened her chest to fix her lungs, she reacted as she was aroused. But since then no more fanservice :|
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I don't see any question here. The point is always "is an object fapable or is not"
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What are you talking about, man?
You asked a question and then gave the answer. There is no sense here.
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fargred wrote:I don't see any question here. The point is always "fapable object or not"
Not really, if I wanna "fap" there are plenty hardcore stuff more suitable. Sex is part of human nature, like eating, sleeping, pissing and so on. Don't pose as a moralist to me, I detest that. If you don't want to see any sexual reference, go back to Disney comics.
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Sergio wrote:What are you talking about, man?
You asked a question and then gave the answer. There is no sense here.
Até tu, Brutus?
I've asked if Alita is capable of sex. I suppose she is, but I don't know for sure. That is why I asked for your honorable opinions. If this topic is taboo here I missed to see it in the FAQ.
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It is not a case of taboo. It is that simple:

1. You asked a question.
2. You wrote: Her imaginos body is like an organic synthetic body presumably with all the correspondent organs.

In short, you now the answer.
Anyway, if you insist, yes, she is able of sexual activity, but you yourself have already answered that.
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Sergio wrote:It is not a case of taboo. It is that simple:

1. You asked a question.
2. You wrote: Her imaginos body is like an organic synthetic body presumably with all the correspondent organs.

In short, you now the answer.
Anyway, if you insist, yes, she is able of sexual activity, but you yourself have already answered that.
Oh! Thank you for saying it clearly!

But her tuned agent body wasn't as sophisticated as her imaginos body. She even says: "I love the moment when my body stop being a machine and becomes part of me". So even with this limitations she was able to "make love" with Figure Four? I really don't know. It is an aspect of her nature that Yukito poorly developed and I think it is necessary to understand how she sees herself if as a fully human being or a handicapped human being.

Another question perhaps minus offensive to our susceptible colleagues is if her body have the sense of tact, in other words she is able to feel hot, cold or when someone touches her body? Or these stimulus are just data displayed by some internal sensor that tells her: "ambient temperature is 26°C now" without her being really able to feel that temperature?

Nowadays we know that a person deprived of tact sense, like someone with extense burns all over his/her body, becomes mentally instable or even crazy. Many SF authors don't know this information when they create cyborgs. A human body can't be totally replaced by metal and plastic. Even today there are people researching a way to provide artificial limbs, hands particularly, with the sense of tact.

Long ago I read a graphic novel that displaced a man, once a sensible and kind person, that goes crazy when he is turned into a cyborg and he is deprived of his senses like tact and smell.
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No offence, guys, but I find this topic assholic. That's just unbeleivable, I've never even expected such topic to be opened.

That's just stupid to propose such topic, because YK has always avoided sexual themes (anomaly is an unfortunate exception) for a reason - to maintain her purity as a character, on the brink.
Sergio wrote:It is not a case of taboo.
It is, at least, for me.
I think, if YK is to be asked (hypothetically) whether it's taboo or not, he would answer that it is.

Words "Alita" and "sex" together in one sentence are absolutely unimaginable for me, as well as obscene stuff with her.
kamugin wrote:But back when she was a tuned agent, she did it with Figure Four?
TELL ME THE PAGE NUMBER THEN!
She didn't! And you won't find the direct reference to it, I know it and it's even unquestionable - I'm confident of my memory.

kamugin wrote:Alita is able to eat... and poo as we saw in one of the earliest extras
And that's one of the issues I don't quite get. I'll open the separate topic for questionable facts.
kamugin wrote:Her imaginos body is like an organic synthetic body presumably with all the correspondent organs, so why not she wouldn't?
Another issue.

>>> with all the correspondent organs
ALL? Are you sure?
When she was in the forming tube, we were shown only the musculatory, digestive system (not full), and a heart. We don't know anything about other organs.

I'd rather say that she's filled with musculatory instead of organs - they are useless for a robot (she isn't a cyborg any more) (I'm referring to a LO version).

All images of her in all the manga don't contain that organ you're hinting at. At least.
if her body have the sense of tact, in other words she is able to feel hot, cold or when someone touches her body?
Even nowadays advanced prosthetics (those, which are connected to nerve leftovers) can deliver tactile sensitivity and, sometimes, warmth sense. I can't give you a prooflink, but I've read it somewhere on technical resources.

In the age of nanomachinery this won't be a problem at all. I don't think that someone suffers from it in the manga.

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moooV wrote:No offence, guys, but I find this topic assholic. That's just unbeleivable, I've never even expected such topic to be opened.
If it is, you put a considerable effort making a true asshole comment, sigh! =(

Crushed heads, splatted brains, chopped limbs, spilled guts, butchered children ... Any violent death depiction is ok for you I bet. They are "aesthetical", they are "art". But two characters showing true afecction to each other, fondling and making love is such a display of bad taste, gross, detestable!

You make me laugh with your conception of decency, tovarisch =P
moooV wrote:That's just stupid to propose such topic, because YK has always avoided sexual themes (anomaly is an unfortunate exception) for a reason - to maintain her purity as a character, on the brink.
He doesn't avoid them and you just remembered one of the best examples. Have a look on Aqua Knight and you will get other exemples. Rulija doesn't become "impure" because she was naked on two scenes.
moooV wrote:I think, if YK is to be asked (hypothetically) whether it's taboo or not, he would answer that it is.
No, he wouldn't and the examples are already given.
moooV wrote:Words "Alita" and "sex" together in one sentence are absolutely unimaginable for me, as well as obscene stuff with her.
Yes, yes... Your angel will fall in the earth if she makes love with someone. Poor Alita, condemned to be eternally deprived of such lowly human pleasures. Probably she kills a lot to compensate that =/
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kamugin wrote:But back when she was a tuned agent, she did it with Figure Four?
TELL ME THE PAGE NUMBER THEN!
She didn't! And you won't find the direct reference to it, I know it and it's even unquestionable - I'm confident of my memory.
I was asking if she did make love with figure, I forgot to put the verb before the pronoun because this is incommon in Portuguese, sorry for that. But I put the "?" signal in the end, so if you had pay more attention you should noticed that I was asking not being affirmative.
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kamugin wrote:Alita is able to eat... and poo as we saw in one of the earliest extras
And that's one of the issues I don't quite get. I'll open the separate topic for questionable facts.
Just search in the extras, it is one of the earliest. The sequence is a four koma joke between Ido and Gonzu. But if she eats, she need to expel that in some way, isn't it?

moooV wrote:We don't know anything about other organs. ... - they are useless for a robot (she isn't a cyborg any more) (I'm referring to a LO version).
Are sexual organs useless for robots, or more exactly androids, that think about themselves as human beings? Only later in the story Alita discovers that her brain was replaced for a bio chip. Even Sechs, in her male form, has a penis, so why not Alita and the bunnies could have vulvas and vaginas? Only an uterus would be useless since they are not able to procreate.
moooV wrote:All images of her in all the manga didn't contain that organ you're hinting at. At least.
If Yukito didn't draw them, it doesn't mean they aren't there.
moooV wrote:Even nowadays advanced prosthetics (those, which are connected to nerve leftovers) can deliver tactile sensitivity and, sometimes, warmth sense. I can't give you a prooflink, but I've read it somewhere on technical resources.
I myself provided that data, didn't I?
moooV wrote:In the age of nanomachinery this won't be a problem at all. I don't think that someone suffers from it in the manga.
I wouldn't be so sure, specially when I remember the the cheap and more robot like cyborgs of Scrapyard.
moooV wrote:I'm starting to write the issues topic opener post.
Do as you wish =P
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Crushed heads, splatted brains, chopped limbs, spilled guts, butchered children ... Any violent death depiction is ok for you I bet. They are "aesthetical", they are "art". But two characters showing true afecction to each other, fondling and making love is such a display of bad taste, gross, detestable!
It's not about showing affection - this is about not turning it into hentai, even the slightest bit.
Have a look on Aqua Knight and you will get other exemples. Rulija doesn't become "impure" because she was naked on two scenes.
I have nothing to say here, because I haven't read it. And I won't.
Just search in the extras, it is one of the earliest. The sequence is a four koma joke between Ido and Gonzu. But if she eats, she need to expel that in some way, isn't it?
Now you are not reading carefully. :lol:
I didn't say that I hadn't seen that - I know it's there. :geek:
What I meant was that I don't get the concept. I've told you - a lot of questions and their elaboration are going to be in that topic.
Are sexual organs useless for robots, or more exactly androids, that think about themselves as human beings? Only later in the story Alita discovers that her brain was replaced for a bio chip. Even Sechs, in her male form, has a penis, so why not Alita and the bunnies could have vulvas and vaginas? Only an uterus would be useless since they are not able to procreate.
I didn't speak about that. I've spoken about this (I'll even quote you):
Yes, yes... Your angel will fall in the earth if she makes love with someone. Poor Alita, condemned to be eternally deprived of such lowly human pleasures. Probably she kills a lot to compensate that =/
If Yukito didn't draw them, it doesn't mean they aren't there.
If something isn't shown evidently, there is no reason to state (not suggest, but state) it's presence. This principle is called Occam's razor, take a look at it. In fact, scientific logics is based on that.

[offtopic, don't want to holywar about it AGAIN]Also, it's one of the explanations of inexistence of god.[/offtopic]
I myself provided that data, didn't I?
A quick googling gave me several articles I've read previously, but they are in russian. However, one of them contained a BBC video. Here it is - you can see I'm not lying:

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moooV wrote:It's not about showing affection - this is about not turning it into hentai, even the slightest bit.
Since when a love scene, a nude or even a uncovered breast make something hentai? Sex is part of life, I like to see characters that are similar to actual human beings, not Disney's like asexual creatures. Am I talking to some religious fanatic here? If it is the case, I have nothing more to say.

Let me lower myself even more to your eyes: I DO like a bit of fanservice, I see nothing wrong with it. But to "fap" I need hadcore stuff, real "action" taking place, not just some teasing, ok? But a low sexual being like myself have some ethics: I don't want to see our Alita starring any hentai parody. If you could search my entire HD you will find hentai enough to petrify your purist eyes, but you won't find a single hentai depiction of Alita... and I know they do exist, I just dislike them.

But where I was with my mind that this isn't ocurred me before? Just take the entire volume 13 of GLO: the relationship between Ygrec and Olympe is full of implicit sexuality! Ygrec's desire to devour Olympe is a clear metaphor of sexual intercourse. And what character until them in GLO is more fanservice than Olympe? An android created to be a sexual doll! In spite of that, she develops true human feelings and is able to feel pure love for someone. Their relationship is one of the greatest moments of GLO, in spite of the tragic end.

But Olympe, this lowly fanservice oriented character, is one of the favourites GLO characters among the people here. Curious, isn't it?

Also in phases 49 and 50 when Victor sucks Haruka's blood that was a clear metaphor of rape. He even tear her coat almost exposing her breast, remember?

But I know what your problem (and many other guys here) really is: in your phantasies about Alita, you don't want her to be sullied by any other man. She needs to remain pure just for you, isn't it? I know that because I feel that way myself a bit. I detested her relationship with Hugo and Figure Four, albeit in a minor grade with the last one. The only man I tolerate see sharing Alita's love is Ido, because I identify myself with him.
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kamugin wrote:Am I talking to some religious fanatic here?
Well, even religious fanatics are born from (sometimes not exactly) a good fuck.
kamugin wrote:the relationship between Ygrec and Olympe are full of implicit sexuality! Ygrec's desire to devour Olymple is a clear metaphor of sexual intercourse. And what character until them in GLO is more fanservice than Olympe? An android created to be a sexual doll! In spite of that, she develops true human feelings and is able to feel pure love for someone. Their relationship is one of the greatest moments of GLO, in spite of the tragic end.

But Olympe, this lowly fanservice oriented character, is one of the favourites GLO characters among the people here. Curious, isn't it?
Actually, it is a great love story. Kishiro succeed in creating something I would never imagine possible: talk about the love of a monster and a machine without being farcical.
kamugin wrote:Also in phases 49 and 50 when Victor sucks Haruka's blood that was a clear metaphor of rape. He even tear her coat almost exposing her breast, remember?
I had never seen it this way, but you are right. It is exactly that.
kamugin wrote:But I know what your problem (and many other guys here) really is: in your phantasies about Alita, you don't want her to be sullied by any other man. She needs to remain pure just for you, isn't it?
Let's not exaggerate, man. No one here is influenced by Brazilian Romanticism, when writers used to transpose the character of Virgin Mary to the ideal woman - always desired, but never reached.
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Sergio wrote:
kamugin wrote:But I know what your problem (and many other guys here) really is: in your phantasies about Alita, you don't want her to be sullied by any other man. She needs to remain pure just for you, isn't it?
Let's not exaggerate, man. No one here is influenced by Brazilian Romanticism, when writers used to transpose the character of Virgin Mary to the ideal woman - always desired, but never reached.
It's no exaggeration, bro. He said it himself:
moooV wrote:I didn't speak about that. I've spoken about this (I'll even quote you):
Yes, yes... Your angel will fall in the earth if she makes love with someone. Poor Alita, condemned to be eternally deprived of such lowly human pleasures.
The feeling is much more widespread than you think and it began in Europe Romanticism around 18th century. Recently in Japan, fans where enraged when they discovered that the main female character of the manga Kannagi had a boyfriend before her relationship with Jin started. The same way the videogame Atelier Ronrorina enraged its fans because Ronrorina also had a boyfriend before. I bet our tovarisch here is the same kind of fan. He will stop reading GLO if Alita someday makes love to another character :|
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Just now I remembered. What about Buick, the photographer-psycopath who used to torture women to death? He becomes Koyomi's photography teacher.
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fargred wrote:I don't see any question here. The point is always "fapable object or not"
Not really, if I wanna "fap" there are plenty hardcore stuff more suitable. Sex is part of human nature, like eating, sleeping, pissing and so on. Don't pose as a moralist to me, I detest that. If you don't want to see any sexual reference, go back to Disney comics.
Hmm, i'm sorry, it was the magic word "fanservice" and my dirty mind. What about disney's comics - i don't like them.
About the subject i mean, reproductive function might be useful, especially at war times, but ...does cyber body can produce a flash-and-blood man? Or the other cyber-body with a human brain? We all (i hope, all) have read addition stories, there was the one, where Ido learned to be a cyberdoctor. That tipharean with cowboy hut could synthesize another body with brain for girl. So, if kinda nanofactory would be placed into somebody's stomach, many other people may come out from there. Маразм крепчал.
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Sergio wrote:Just now I remembered. What about Buick, the photographer-psycopath who used to torture women to death? He becomes Koyomi's photography teacher.
That is another good exemple of Yukito's "dirty mind" =P
And Yukito had very bad taste creating a character like Buick. I really dislike any depiction of women being tortured and slaughtered.

He doesn't really avoid sexual themes, he just takes them in a less obvious manner most of the times.
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fargred wrote: Hmm, i'm sorry, it was the magic word "fanservice" and my dirty mind. What about disney's comics - i don't like them.
About the subject i mean, reproductive function might be useful, especially at war times, but ...does cyber body can produce a flash-and-blood man? Or the other cyber-body with a human brain? We all (i hope, all) have read addition stories, there was the one, where Ido learned to be a cyberdoctor. That tipharean with cowboy hut could synthesize another body with brain for girl. So, if kinda nanofactory would be placed into somebody's stomach, many other people may come out from there. Маразм крепчал.
We have another "tovarisch" here... Apology accepted.

With Nova's science and Alita's strong will power even procreation may be possible, even with an artificial body, I think. But I wasn't speculating that far. I was just wondering about them, cyborgs like Alita, being able to perform sex as an expression of love... or just for fun =)

By the way, sex may be a good way to relieve battle stress. Although I never performed sex to that purpose :mrgreen:
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moooV wrote: …anomaly…
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Oh, my! How many interesting posts appeared overnight. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Seriously, I haven't laughed like that for more than a year. You've just got it all wrong, completely. I'm not trying to get at you - I'm really laughing due to the absurdity of a situation, which is in Franz Kafka's style, definitely. As it has turned out, we were debating about the same thing in different terms. I just don't know how to express how idiotic the situation is. :lol:

The only thing I see in our current debate is the irony. Ironically, right now I'm writing this post while listening to the "Charlie Clouser - Hello Zepp (The Saw OST main theme)" in a loop for the 29th hour in a row. :geek:

What about discussing the topic with you - you've changed the subject of the debate quickly. That's cool - you bring diversity to this forum, which is pleasantly unexpected.


Ok, back to the topic. You've got it all wrong, I'll explain everything.

You've got it so wrong, that you've taken me for a religious fanatic, while everyone knows that I'm a hardcore atheist. I'm a moralist, that's what you were trying to say, but I'm not religious. I seriously think that the religion of any kind is a tool to manipulate the masses.
Anyway, that's offtopic.


Here's the key difference about our current discussion:

I am talking about the manga IN GENERAL from the stand point of taking it as a whole, as a masterpiece. For me, the manga and "Alita" are the same items with nearly no distinction between them. Not as a character, but as an entity.

You are talking about Alita as a character, as a derivative from manga. You are talking about it as a fap subject and go into physiology, while I'm trying to abstract away from that and to talk about it from a masterpiece purity point of view.

It does not have anything to do with Alita as a character or even as an imaginary person. You just take it all from the lowly point, thus we don't understand each other.

What I mean is that I can't forgive YK for the anomaly, which is already over the edge for this MANGA (in general) in my opinion, thus making it absolutely unimaginable what I've told you before. The anomaly was the single and the last straw.

I want not the main character to remain pure, I want the OVERALL MANGA to remain pure.
kamugin wrote:I DO like a bit of fanservice, I see nothing wrong with it. But to "fap" I need hadcore stuff, real "action" taking place, not just some teasing, ok? But a low sexual being like myself have some ethics: I don't want to see our Alita starring any hentai parody. If you could search my entire HD you will find hentai enough to petrify your purist eyes, but you won't find a single hentai depiction of Alita... and I know they do exist, I just dislike them.
And that proves my point. For the whole conversation I've tried to shift it away from the fap theme. You just don't see anything else in it. I'm talking about a masterpiece and you are talking about fap.

Speaking in your language - what I wanted to tell you was that if something is a masterpiece, it automatically denies fap on it, no matter how sexy it is. And that's why I've said that even YK would possibly confirm that this topic is a taboo.

A small example.
Thank YK he hasn't SHOWN the Rekan and bunnies, only a sneak pick of their leftovers. If he did, I'd just mark the manga dead for me and stop reading it. You see, there is no Alita here - the question is in the overall level.

The level of this manga EXCLUDES sexual themes. A masterpiece can't contain rotten parts.
They can be hinted at between the lines, they can be mentioned by the characters, but they can't be SHOWN.
kamugin wrote:ust take the entire volume 13 of GLO: the relationship between Ygrec and Olympe are full of implicit sexuality!
And again you prove my point. The key word is "implicit".
kamugin wrote:Also in phases 49 and 50 when Victor sucks Haruka's blood that was a clear metaphor of rape. He even tear her coat almost exposing her breast, remember?
And again you prove it. I've never seen a rape undertext there, while you saw it all the time.

It's like one of the simple psychological tests: read quickly the word "therapist". While I would read it as "therapist", which means "a doctor", you will read it as "the rapist". Everyone sees in everything what he wants to see.

kamugin wrote:But I know what your problem (and many other guys here) really is: in your phantasies about Alita, you don't want her to be sullied by any other man. She needs to remain pure just for you, isn't it? I know that because I feel that way myself a bit. I detested her relationship with Hugo and Figure Four, albeit in a minor grade with the last one. The only man I tolerate see sharing Alita's love is Ido, because I identify myself with him.
You have some serious problems then, you shoud really go see someone... I don't know... a therapist maybe? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Don't judge others by your standards. I've never even tried to think about it that way, because I've always taken it as a masterpiece. You can't rip parts out from a masterpiece.
kamugin wrote: It's no exaggeration, bro. He said it himself:
moooV wrote:I didn't speak about that. I've spoken about this (I'll even quote you):
Yes, yes... Your angel will fall in the earth if she makes love with someone. Poor Alita, condemned to be eternally deprived of such lowly human pleasures.
Re-read this post and think what I've meant to say by that.

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Re: The sex of the Angel

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Oh, my fucking god... Should I give him a reply when I know this won't do any good or reach nowhere? :(

Yes, I should! Since I'm here just for the fun! :mrgreen:

But first, if some other incautious people is reading this topic, I must assert my subjects that are now unquestionable for me:

-Is Alita able to perform sex? Yes, she is. Although it's unclear if she did it with someone until now. Let's just say that she is perhaps waiting for the "right man", the one who defeats her on the battlefield maybe =)

-Does Yukito avoid sexual themes or references? No, he doesn't. He just take them, most of the time, in a less explicit way. Any of his female characters may got screwed, raped or butchered, but he does preserve Alita from such misfortunes. She is our heroine after all!

-Does moooV have a twisted mind that he isn't able to recognize? Yes, he does...

These premises being already stated, let's have fun:
moooV wrote:You've got it so wrong, that you've taken me for a religious fanatic, while everyone knows that I'm a hardcore atheist. I'm a moralist, that's what you were trying to say, but I'm not religious.
I know you are not a religious fanatic, but you do share with them some standpoints.
Oh, my! How many interesting posts appeared overnight. :mrgreen: ...
Seriously, I haven't laughed like that for more than a year. ... :lol:
I'm pleased to see that you are having fun too! :mrgreen:
I'm writing this post while listening to the "Charlie Clouser - Hello Zepp (The Saw OST main theme)" in a loop for the 29th hour in a row.
Here is another good example of his twisted mind =P
I could never hear some music, or musics, no matter how good it is for so much time. Not even for a tenth of that time! Nor any normal people should. Working obsessively on that model of his, and listening some crappy music, must have fried his brain already =P
Here's the key difference about our current discussion:
I am talking about the manga ... as a masterpiece. ... "Alita" ... Not as a character, but as an entity.
... talk about it from a masterpiece purity point of view. ...
I want not the main character to remain pure, I want the OVERALL MANGA to remain pure. ...
It does not have anything to do with Alita as a character or even as an imaginary person. You just take it all from the lowly point, thus we don't understand each other.
Indeed, we don't understand each other. While I agree that the manga is a masterpiece, your idolatry is absurd, ludicrous! Your Goddess Alita and Her Holy Book. Pay attention on what you yourself is writing, man!
What I mean is that I can't forgive YK for the anomaly ... The anomaly was the single and the last straw.
Anomaly, and his libido cannon, was quite a shock for you, I understand. Think of him as the depiction of devil inside your holy book and you will be able to bear him.
For the whole conversation I've tried to shift it away from the fap theme. You just don't see anything else in it. I'm talking about a masterpiece and you are talking about fap.
You will deny it until death, but you think about fapping much more than I. This too is typical of people excessively religious.
It wasn't me the one who metioned fapping for the first time, I only talked about fanservice that isn't quite the same thing. You are the one who reduced my whole argumentation to fapping and this disappointed me. I don't want Yukito to provide me fapping stuff. I have plenty of this material already and I have a wife too.

What I want is Alita being painted in a realistic way with her sexuality being subject of attention too. Many Goddess have a sexual life, it doesn't make them unholy... Oh, albeit not being a religious person, you see the things through monotheist lenses and all his sexual repression.
...if something is a masterpiece, it automatically denies fap on it, no matter how sexy it is.
There are many fapping masterpieces too. I can indicate some if you want :mrgreen:
A masterpiece can't contain rotten parts. They can be hinted at between the lines, they can be mentioned by the characters, but they can't be SHOWN.
Buick was quite explicit as Sergio remembered very opportunely. Your problem is only with sex. You don't recognize as being rotten things like butchered children (If you don't remember these phases I'll provide them later), nor the brutal assault the poor Haruka suffered =(
These shocked me, not the laughable Anomaly.
kamugin wrote:Also in phases 49 and 50 when Victor sucks Haruka's blood that was a clear metaphor of rape. He even tear her coat almost exposing her breast, remember?
And again you prove it. I've never seen a rape undertext there, while you saw it all the time.
No, you prove it again, what I was saying before. Your holy book IS rotten, like ALL the holy books are, the bible and the koran.
you shoud really go see someone... I don't know... a therapist maybe?
Oh, I do have a therapist, and you? Do you have one, tovarisch? You should follow your own advice. Go see a behaviourist or a neurolinguistics specialist.
Don't judge others by your standards. I've never even tried to think about it that way, because I've always taken it as a masterpiece.
I repeat myself: I know what your problem really is: in your phantasies about Alita, you don't want her to be sullied by any other man. She needs to remain pure just for you!
You can't rip parts out from a masterpiece.
Au contrarie, you must take the parts to understand the whole. All the dirty stuff Yukito put inside BAA/GLO don't deny it as a masterpiece. Yukito is a falible man with many perversions inside his head, he isn't your holy prophet, tovarisch.
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Re: The sex of the Angel

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I had promised myself not to interfere in this war again, but I cannot help coming back.
kamugin wrote: -Is Alita able to perform sex? Yes, she is. Although it's unclear if she did it with someone until now. Let's just say that she is perhaps waiting for the "right man", the one who defeats her on the battlefield maybe =)
Figure Four defeated her. Do you mean he had access?
Aren't you confusing her with Red Sonja? :cheesygrin:
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Sergio wrote: Figure Four defeated her. Do you mean he had access?
Aren't you confusing her with Red Sonja? :cheesygrin:
No, man! He doesn't! She defeated the annoying bastard on their fight!
He only was able to tie her because he woke up berfore her when they were knocked by the tornado caused by the explosion of the train nuclear reactor.

Doubtless she share many characteristcs with Red Sonja! :mrgreen:

But she may gave him acess to her pleasures as we remember the torrid kiss they shared later... But we shouldn't tease moooV any further regarding Alita's virginity or he will fall apart :mrgreen:
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Re: The sex of the Angel

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A small remembrance of what we're doing right now:
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kamugin wrote:Yes, I should! Since I'm here just for the fun! :mrgreen:
I'm trying to deliver it to you. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
kamugin wrote: I must assert my subjects that are now unquestionable for me:
-Is Alita able to perform sex? Yes, she is
Bang! The right answer is "We don't know.". Occam's razor, remember?
READ THE DAMN WIKI ARTICLE! :evil:
kamugin wrote:-Does moooV have a twisted mind that he isn't able to recognize? Yes, he does...
Speak for yourself. :twisted:
kamugin wrote:I could never hear some music, or musics, no matter how good it is for so much time. Not even for a tenth of that time!
This just proves that you aren't stable enough. :geek:
kamugin wrote:must have fried his brain already =P
I'm here, and I'm feeling good. This isn't even a record - the longest thing I've listened to was song "Soulfly III" by the group Soulfly in a loop, took about 4 months (while I was making the model). And I'm alive.
kamugin wrote:Indeed, we don't understand each other. While I agree that the manga is a masterpiece, your idolatry is absurd, ludicrous! Your Goddess Alita and Her Holy Book. Pay attention on what you yourself is writing, man!
You're taking phrases out of the context.
kamugin wrote:Anomaly, and his libido cannon, was quite a shock for you, I understand.
Now I understand your sympathy towards the Anomaly. You envy the cannon! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
kamugin wrote:Think of him as the depiction of devil inside your holy book and you will be able to bear him.
I'm calling for the holy inquisition! Image
kamugin wrote:It wasn't me the one who metioned fapping for the first time, I only talked about fanservice that isn't quite the same thing.
Not for the first, but before me. The 4th post in this topic is YOURS:
kamugin wrote: Not really, if I wanna "fap" there are plenty hardcore stuff more suitable. Sex is part of human nature, like eating, sleeping, pissing and so on. Don't pose as a moralist to me, I detest that. If you don't want to see any sexual reference, go back to Disney comics.
kamugin wrote:You are the one who reduced my whole argumentation to fapping
You did it yourself, without my help.
kamugin wrote:I don't want Yukito to provide me fapping stuff. I have plenty of this material already and I have a wife too.
She will kill you if she finds out. Image

Also that proves that you have serious problems with sexual life. Why do you need such stuff when you have a wife? Are you incapable? Therapist is waiting for you. :lol:
kamugin wrote:There are many fapping masterpieces too. I can indicate some if you want :mrgreen:
You have a wife and a therapist, then why are you writing this?
kamugin wrote:You don't recognize as being rotten things like butchered children (If you don't remember these phases I'll provide them later), nor the brutal assault the poor Haruka suffered =(
These shocked me, not the laughable Anomaly.
They are there as a part of the plot, but the Anomaly is there just to get at readers. YK could use any other monster, but he chose that one.
kamugin wrote:Your holy book IS rotten, like ALL the holy books are, the bible and the koran.
BURN THIS HERETIC!!! Image
kamugin wrote:Oh, I do have a therapist
Fire him and hire a good one! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
kamugin wrote:Go see a behaviourist or a neurolinguistics specialist
You will laugh, but I've read so much of that stuff before I had wars with Sergio, that you can consider me being one.
Sergio can confirm.
kamugin wrote:I repeat myself: I know what your problem really is: in your phantasies about Alita, you don't want her to be sullied by any other man. She needs to remain pure just for you!
Yes, you repeat yourself. Like a broken tape recorder. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
However, you're wrong. You're just projecting your problems onto others - in this case, me. Your behaviour just follows the captain Freud's predictions. (Damn, I couldn't imagine that I'll ever mention him AGAIN since our wars with Sergio :x )
kamugin wrote:he isn't your holy prophet, tovarisch.
Count the word "tovarisch" in all your posts, and compare it's number with the word "fap" in your comments. Are you also afraid of Russians? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


PS.
The fattest trolls are being grown in Brazil and even exported to other countries! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: (Not even a slightest thought of offending Sergio, I've just remembered the old wars :lol: ) - take it as a joke.

PSPS.
This all is starting to turn into the special olympics, it isn't funny any more - we're arguing, but not debating. Let's finish this. :?
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moooV wrote:
kamugin wrote:Anomaly, and his libido cannon, was quite a shock for you, I understand.
Now I understand your sympathy towards the Anomaly. You envy the cannon! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I had never thought about that, but even I do. :lol:
moooV wrote:
kamugin wrote:Oh, I do have a therapist
Fire him and hire a good one! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I cannot help asking: in the inquisitorial or in the professional sense? :cheesygrin:

moooV wrote: PS.
The fattest trolls are being grown in Brazil and even exported to other countries! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
That's not true. You're going to declare open war against Brazilians. We are brazenly prejudiced about obese people. We are, at most, scrag trolls. :oops:
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In professional sense - he's incompetent. :geek:
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