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Sergio Nova wrote: It is violent, it is non-consensual, it is absurd, it is unacceptable, it is torture.
You should check the dictionary, simply. A knife in the stomach is a sort of penetration and is extremely violent, but it is not a rape.
I believe you understood my definition pretty well. If anyway you insist in saying that my "narrow definition" is getting a funny look…

No, it is NO WAY funny! :(
It's never funny. I meant funny as in odd, so this was a poor choice of words. Unfortunately people have come up with other ways to commit the act beyond the above-mentioned classical sense.

However according to this: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape) the definition may vary by jurisdiction and specifically cites how Brazil defines the act, limiting it to non-consensual vaginal sex.
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Statistically, rape is not a bad thing.

Normal rape, 1 out of 2 enjoy themselves. (50% !)
While gang rape increases this to an average of 9 to 1. (90% !!)

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the 1. To quote Spock.
Yes even Vulcan logic dictates rape as being statistically correct.
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^Ripper wrote: Normal rape, 1 out of 2 enjoy themselves. (50% !)
While gang rape increases this to an average of 9 to 1. (90% !!)
For God's sake, you should be in jail (and the keys should be thrown away) :lol:
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To assert that rape is never and can never be funny is childish like plugging one's ears with one's fingers and going "la la la la la not listening". Anything can be funny in the right context.

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In HFV volume 2 (VIZ), page 162, the panel with a newspaper with Hugo's face is written in hebrew. Can anyone read it?

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I've noticed it the first time I've seen it, but I thought that everyone has noticed it. But since I haven't seen a post about it here, so I've posted it.
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The relevant parts of the story are shown in English, but it would be interesting to see if it actually matches up with the Hebrew text.
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Does such a language still exist, in The Scrapyard, when the story takes place? Difficult. As far as I have noticed, English is the only language in The Scrapyard. That said, either the newspaper in Hebrew is a great editing mistake or it is a sort of cyphered message.
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K.A.O.S., which was written on Kaos's van, is an abbreviation, as Captain Obviousity tells us.

Any ideas?
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moooV wrote:K.A.O.S., which was written on Kaos's van, is an abbreviation, as Captain Obviousity tells us.

Any ideas?
There is no mystery. Radio K.A.O.S. is simply a Roger Water's solo work, about a guy who, interestingly, is able to perceive radio waves.

This is detailed in the glossary/wiki, thus your question is outdated, I dare say.
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I think mooov's question is asking if the letters in K.A.O.S. actually stand for something besides Kaos' name. In this case there's no deeper meaning besides the homage that Sergio points out.
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HFV volume 8 (VIZ), page 149.
Soviet scientist Nicola Tesla first theorized...
Nicola Tesla has never been a soviet scientist - he was an ethnical serb, who has moved to USA.
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Copied from glossary/wiki, under the entry Abbadon:

The lettering mistakenly informs that Tesla was Soviet. Actually, he was born in Smiljan, now in Croatia, but developed his science in The United States.


That said, he is neither Soviet nor Serbian.
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He is. Also, his picture is in this article (second row, last column).
Born an ethnic Serb in the village of Smiljan (now part of Gospić), in the Croatian Military Frontier[1] of the Austrian Empire (modern-day Croatia), Tesla was a subject of the Austrian Empire by birth and later became an American citizen
Also, I remember well that I've read somewhere that Thomas Edison used to call him a "crazy/mad serb".
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moooV wrote:He is. Also, his picture is in this article (second row, last column).
All right, so he was a Serbian born in Croatia. The fact is that I have never given importance to ethnicity (perhaps because I am Brazilian) and thus I have never paid attention to that. Actually, I have difficulties in differentiating Japanese from Chinese or Russian from Swedish. By the way, I am aware that many Ukrainians are ethnically Russians, but that does not mean I am able to point out the differences.
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I've said that just as a reply - for the Great Justice.
Actually, I have difficulties in differentiating Japanese from Chinese or Russian from Swedish
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They all are REALLY different. Although I've never been to any of the Asian countries, I can easily tell Japanese from Chinese - they differ much, really. Even in the South Park it's depicted perfectly.

What about Russians vs Swedes (as well as all other Europeans) - they differ a lot, because we're even of different sub-races.

What about Ukraine - nowadays most of them are ethnically Russians (because it was our a region for several centuries), but, in fact, Russians have historically derived from them - Kiev, which is currently a Ukrain's capital city, was a Russian capital in 7th century A.D. :mrgreen:

What about languages - they're very similar also - we understand each other easily. Also, Russian is the second national language in Ukraine, which, of course, everyone knows there.


By the way, we have giant borders with China (we even have land borders with Japan - after the WW2 we've taken the Kuril grid of small islands near Japan, one of which is divided in half). Moreover, bigger part of the country's territory is in Asia.

Thus, even here, in St.Petersburg, you can easily meet someone in a street (especially in any university), who looks completely Chinese, but has an ordinary (or even typical) name, speaks without any accent or anything like it, and says that his family has lived here for many generations. :lol:
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The main gripe I have with the series is that yukitos drawing has deteriorated so badly. I loved it up until the first few volumes of Last Order now it's become something I don't like anymore.

I understand that an artist should evolve over time but IMO yukito is going backwards.
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kvhokuto wrote:The main gripe I have with the series is that yukitos drawing has deteriorated so badly. I loved it up until the first few volumes of Last Order now it's become something I don't like anymore.

I understand that an artist should evolve over time but IMO yukito is going backwards.
That is problematic. Many will say that he has improved considerably.
As to the script, I would say that his narrative is even better, especially when referring to GLO 07 and 13.
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Why do MIB turrets in the Last Order (first two volumes) have boobs? That's just ridiculous!
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Sergio Nova wrote: All right, so he was a Serbian born in Croatia. The fact is that I have never given importance to ethnicity (perhaps because I am Brazilian) and thus I have never paid attention to that. Actually, I have difficulties in differentiating Japanese from Chinese or Russian from Swedish. By the way, I am aware that many Ukrainians are ethnically Russians, but that does not mean I am able to point out the differences.
japanese are way paler than chinese, + since they kept isolated for that long, they have a lot of physical defficiencies (such as jeopardized teeths, pelvis making horrible asses for the girls, and other stuff)

and chinese is actually a whole lot of people and sub-ethnics, but let's just they are way yellower than japanese, who are almost white


as to separate a blond swede from a blond russian, well for girls i can tell but not for guys :D
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HumanRage wrote: as to separate a blond swede from a blond russian, well for girls i can tell but not for guys :D
Only blondes? Once I am completely ignorant about ethnicities, I love all sorts of girls, simply (but I have to admit the Slavs are the most callipygian).
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HumanRage wrote: japanese are way paler than chinese, + since they kept isolated for that long, they have a lot of physical defficiencies (such as jeopardized teeths, pelvis making horrible asses for the girls, and other stuff)...
The other stuff being that girls/woman of previous generation and older are as flat as a board.
Thankfully McDonald's provided the cure that boosted breast growth :P
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^Ripper wrote: The other stuff being that girls/woman of previous generation and older are as flat as a board.
Thankfully McDonald's provided the cure that boosted breast growth :P
I haven't got tits either - that is, I am completely flat.
Is that because I prefer to eat sushi to Big Mac?
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Eat enough of that crap and you will grow a pair.
No bullshit.

Correct term would be "manboobs" or "moobs" for short.
Growth hormones for teh win!
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I don't think that the fact these machines have boobs is in any way incongruous.

they are serving the MIB which is the medical inspection bureau, the role of which was to take care of the inhabitants of tiphares like a mother. (remember Melchizedek was first pictured as an old woman in HFV)
As I see it, its role in the city is threefold
-1 it takes care of the health of Tiphareans, assuming the role of a nurse or a moththerly role, it also ensures the success of their growth (remember the brainchips were actually introduced as a means to decrease stress and lead a more balanced life)

-2 it also prevents them from learning what isn't good for them, like the the fact that they have a brainchip, and therefore prevents them from experiencing the breakdown/collapse due to its discovery, as well as spreading rebellion(which may be seen as an illness within the community)

One of the other roles of the MIB is to manage the genetic pool of tiphares and beget new inhabitants with the genetic material imported from the scrapyard(remember the body parts from battle angel alita vol 3?) and mixing it to obtain new individuals.

Having a motherly role, it is only natural for these devices to have a reassuring design inspired by womanhood as they embody some of its chief principles, that is procreation, taking care of the young, etc...

Moreover there may be other practical reasons, such as using these protruding breast like things for balance of the robot, or as tanks for fuel/ medecine, or may be where the machine's hardware/internal system is located,or simply as an aestetic reminder of the motherly role of the MIB.
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GLO v7, page 89 - Elf shoots herself, and we see a blood fountain from her head. Also, there is a blood on the ground.

SHE'S AN ANDROID. She doesn't have blood at all. Also, she should have a hollow head since her brain chip is in the toy.

Also. How can starship cult hypnotize androids (including Sechs)? This is quite strange.
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