Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

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Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

Post by MrFaber » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:04 pm

Today's box office for Alita: Battle Angel is 402 million dollars.

So, the movie offically broke even and made money. That doesn't guarantee at all that there will be a sequel. It's quite probable that there won't be one, because now Fox belongs to Disney and Disney seem to hate this movie.

Yet, what a result!

To think that critics began to sink this movie long before it was even out. According to media in december A:BA wouldn't have made even 100 million dollars. It was supposed to be the first huge flop of 2019, losing at least 200 million dollars. Marketing capaign for this movie was non existent. In February almost no one but the fans had any idea what the movie was about.

Yet it didn't flop. It opened with some difficulties but soon people started to say "hey, that's a good movie!" and many more people went to watch it. Legions of new fans of Alita who never read the manga popped out everywhere, and despite numbers never went really bigs, interest grew and everyone was talking about it.

At this point critics and detractors went nuts and started to attack the movie constantly, with the most ridiculous statements possible. They say that Alita was hypersexualized, that the was a sex-bot, that she was an u nderage waifu for middle aged men, and so on.

Yet a week after week the box office results kept growing and the drop of income from week to week had been unusually low, meaning that a lot of people went back to see the movie again and new people was convinced to give it a try every week.

Until, a week ago, the box office broke thet 400 million dollar milestone. And critics went nuts again, stating that this numbers mean nothing, that they won't save the movie, that there won't be any sequel anyway (probably true).

Then, on tuesday, some number was reviewed and the total was again under 400M, short of one million, for the joy of the detractors and the frustration of those who went in and out to support the movie. And already it's almost nowhere to be found in cinemas.

And yet, it seems that Alita just never gives up, and this week the movie, somehow, collected 3 fresh million dollars. 3 million... after this many weeks, with barely any teatre still having the movie in.

Just amazing. Probably there won't be a sequel, but we can be proud of this movie and how it menaged to capture the heart of so many people who didn't know that GUNNM even existed.

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Post by Neksus » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:00 am

MrFaber wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:04 pm
Just amazing. Probably there won't be a sequel, but we can be proud of this movie and how it menaged to capture the heart of so many people who didn't know that GUNNM even existed.
I am proud and, despite of it having flaws and some major changes of manga's plot, think that is the best entertaining movie in my 33 years old life. Seen it 10 times and did not got bored. Still want to see again, but the screening is over in my area ( i will die in abstinence syndrome before digital copies or Blu-rays will be released.
Realy hope for the sequel! and f*ck disney. If they hate it, Cameron can bring it to the other studio. Main thing that if Cameron himself wants a sequel, despite of it being no so so good at box office.

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Post by Martin » Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:57 pm

The face looks like crap.

I think the movie is ok the way I think the first 2 books are ok. If we can get to Den it will be all awesome,

but until then it is ... it was ok. I am happy to see that it had broad appeal.

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Post by Neksus » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:07 am

Martin wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:57 pm
The face looks like crap.
Her face is awesome. i've had a butthurt when i saw it in the first trailer but fell in love with it after watching whole movie. As many of those who watch it for 10+ times.
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Post by kamugin » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:20 am

I can only mention Brazilian sites as sources because I didn't research too much this subject, despite the relative low budget and the unexpected good grossings, the movie would have to pass the 500 million mark to actually earn profits and justify a sequel.

From my side, I would like to see a similar case as Judge Dredd: the first movie flopped and they made a much better second one. From what I have seen through the years, generally sequels doesn't improve over the first release.
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Seen it 10 times and did not got bored. Still want to see again, but the screening is over in my area
My jaw dropped, that is unthinkable for me! :shock:
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Post by kamugin » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:27 am

Neksus wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:07 am
Her face is awesome. i've had a butthurt when i saw it in the first trailer but fell in love with it after watching whole movie. As many of those who watch it for 10+ times.
Man, watching it over 10 times is brainwashing, my brain would become jelly if I tried that! Even my all time favorite movies I didn't watch them over 3~4 times.
I think her face is almost cute in some scenes, but nothing beyond that.
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Re: Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

Post by Neksus » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:07 am

kamugin wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:27 am
Man, watching it over 10 times is brainwashing, my brain would become jelly if I tried that! Even my all time favorite movies I didn't watch them over 3~4 times.
I think her face is almost cute in some scenes, but nothing beyond that.
I've never seen a movie twice in theater, except Avatar which i saw 3 times.
I don't know how it works, but the more i see Alita, the more i getting used to it's flaws and gain more joy from other elements ) I just can't get tired of it. Never felt like that. Kinda magic )

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Re: Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

Post by Neksus » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:22 am

kamugin wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:20 am
the movie would have to pass the 500 million mark to actually earn profits and justify a sequel.
with 400 mil they already justified production budget. With incomes from merch, tv licensing, streaming and dvd\blu-ray sales they will get at least some minor profit. Also it's not all just about the numbers, it's about greatly exceeding "expert's" expectations. Now there is a solid base for a franchise and sequels is going to bring a lot more money.

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Post by 00_unit » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:45 am

Neksus wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:22 am
kamugin wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:20 am
the movie would have to pass the 500 million mark to actually earn profits and justify a sequel.
with 400 mil they already justified production budget. With incomes from merch, tv licensing, streaming and dvd\blu-ray sales they will get at least some minor profit. Also it's not all just about the numbers, it's about greatly exceeding "expert's" expectations. Now there is a solid base for a franchise and sequels is going to bring a lot more money.
the scientific explanation of what you most likely experiencing is called the mere exposure effect. Not related to this topic but it is used commonly in some parts of entertainment

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Post by Neksus » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:26 am

00_unit wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:45 am
the scientific explanation of what you most likely experiencing is called the mere exposure effect. Not related to this topic but it is used commonly in some parts of entertainment
It doesn't matter how does it called scientifically. Every aspect of human life can be described scientifically. The matter is that it works like nothing else before. I said already that usually i don't want to see a movie twice or thrice(second for digital copy after screening) but i did want in case of Alita. How does it called scientifically?)

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Re: Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

Post by kamugin » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:29 am

00_unit wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:45 am
the scientific explanation of what you most likely experiencing is called the mere exposure effect. Not related to this topic but it is used commonly in some parts of entertainment
This "exposure effect" as you call it, on me have the opposite effect. I may like a cartoon/animated movie at first, however when my 5yo daughter starts rewatching it over and over, like kids usually do, very soon I come to hate it.
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Re: Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

Post by Neksus » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:40 am

kamugin wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:29 am
This "exposure effect" as you call it, on me have the opposite effect. I may like a cartoon/animated movie at first, however when my 5yo daughter starts rewatching it over and over, like kids usually do, very soon I come to hate it.
I feel the same. That's why i don't watch many times any film, even if i like it much. But Alita just broke my will and made me her slave ;D

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Post by 00_unit » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:52 am

Neksus wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:40 am
kamugin wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:29 am
This "exposure effect" as you call it, on me have the opposite effect. I may like a cartoon/animated movie at first, however when my 5yo daughter starts rewatching it over and over, like kids usually do, very soon I come to hate it.
I feel the same. That's why i don't watch many times any film, even if i like it much. But Alita just broke my will and made me her slave ;D
Not saying it works on everyone, it works on average individual there will always be exception and outliers, I mean I'm not affected by it, as every time I hear songs I hate the first time, I wouldn't like it the many next time they loop it (though some will like it due to repetition kind of like brainwashing). You guys are obviously the outliers. Also the opposite of exposure effect is also desensitisation I'm pretty sure.

after all sometimes scientific phenomenon refers to the average not everyone as there will always be exception and outliers.
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Re: Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

Post by 00_unit » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:07 am

kamugin wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:29 am
00_unit wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:45 am
the scientific explanation of what you most likely experiencing is called the mere exposure effect. Not related to this topic but it is used commonly in some parts of entertainment
This "exposure effect" as you call it, on me have the opposite effect. I may like a cartoon/animated movie at first, however when my 5yo daughter starts rewatching it over and over, like kids usually do, very soon I come to hate it.
Interestingly the mere exposure effect says it doesn't apply or it is weaker to children

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Re: Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

Post by kamugin » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:04 am

How to have "anime eyes" and still be cute:
Spoiler:
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The question is only about having a good artist to do the job or not.
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Re: Alita really is the "Battle Angel".

Post by Neksus » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:24 am

kamugin wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:04 am
How to have "anime eyes" and still be cute:
Spoiler:
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The question is only about having a good artist to do the job or not.
It is not a "realistic human-like look", plastic doll at best. Like from another full CGI anime. It's ok for something like Resident Evil CGI movies tho.

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Post by kamugin » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:54 am

Neksus wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:24 am
It is not a "realistic human-like look"
Remember that the main reason Cameron and Rodriguez choose the big eyes was to emphasize that Alita wasn't human, their Alita was a "doll" in many ways.
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Post by Neksus » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:28 pm

kamugin wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:54 am
Remember that the main reason Cameron and Rodriguez choose the big eyes was to emphasize that Alita wasn't human, their Alita was a "doll" in many ways.
You're wrong. They didn't want to "emphasize that Alita wasn't human". They wanted her to be a human, but with lineaments of anime stile. Your picture is just jeneric doll-looking anime character from CGI anime.

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Post by Martin » Mon May 06, 2019 12:57 am

Yeah ... the CG face was absolutely due to a manga misconception. Cameron thought it would be cool because Anime. It is interesting to note that Zapan and Jashugan both have their actual faces ....surprised it didn't get a sexism strike for that. I really hope they start the next movie and it is the lead actress's real face...Ido is working on her and he is just like, "there is an upgrade in Facial technology" and just put it into the past. We are limping to the next movie, if at all; my idea will at least save money.

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Post by Neksus » Mon May 06, 2019 4:11 am

It was Rodriguez's idea to keep stylised manga-ish look from early concept-arts. Cameron just agreed with it. And that was realy nice decision. Most of the new movie fans fell in love with that unusual look of heroine. I've became fan of manga along before the movie went in production, but I still like her face in the movie, realy adds even more flavour to the lovely character.

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