That of the cognate

vilma21 · Post by **vilma21** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:59 pm

im sad to see no one has talked about the cognate, vilma , victor
do you not love the last of the cognate's

i personaly have a great liking to vilma <hence my codename>
ive made my owne side story about vilma and her quest.

did any one find vilma's quest and story amazeing and heartfull?

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:45 pm

Either you don't know the meaning of cognate or I was unable to understand you.

denzacar · Post by **denzacar** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:08 pm

Actually... she is quite correct.

Upper image is Liquid's and M-chan's translation (from back when they worked with crazyankan and Ripper), the lower one is a quick scan by me from the VIZ's volume 8.

Kishiro has obviously used the litteral meaning of the word's Latin root to name his vampires.

The word cognate derives from Latin cognatus, from co (with) +gnatus, natus, past participle of nascor "to be born".[1] Literally it means "related by blood, having a common ancestor, or related by an analogous nature, character, or function".

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:05 pm

It was discussed a bit in the relevant chapters- topic. About how good or bad it was, to bring this fantasy- element into the story.
I think most readers first where shocked, when suddenly a vampire appeared in a future cyber- tech manga. But Kishiro in my eyes managed to build this part into the story very good.

But I cant recall any discussions about the characters itself, aside from "whoow, what a damn cool fight" and so on

So what is to say about them? You are the fan, make some points!

Personally I always thought, these characters where very round and finished. Because they only appeared in a side story, they where left fully developed with everything told about them. But you could convince me from the opposite.

HumanRage · Post by **HumanRage** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:54 pm

when we first hear about vampires, around tome 5 or 6 when Trinidad warns the last order units to not challenge her, i was like WTF

and this WTF spirit didn't left me for vol 8 and 9, but since we were talked a lot about pre-apocalypse era, birth of melchizedek etc. it was ok.

now, thinking back, it was a hell of a bet for kishiro ! a scientific explanation for vampires ... in the end, it fits quite well in the story.

vilma21 · Post by **vilma21** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:52 am

yeah at first i thought how could a vampire beat so many human's <guns and other fast pase weapons> but they the cognate like vilma live for a very long time at most and have time to perfect skill and trian in many fighting arts.
but we all knew alita could beat vilma one way or an other, but if the twin azure blades were not used agianst alita vilma could have destroyd our little octopus lipd hero. that alone gave me great respect for vilma .

Cailon · Post by **Cailon** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:37 am

Ah thats right, I nearly forgot that. Vilma said something about her blades, that they didnt allow her to cut Alita and her blades made a swing around her head (otherwise GLO wold have had only 5 volumes and a sad ending

)
Maybe Alita really has a destiny or good karma or so and this is not only crazy Desty Nova stuff.

about Vilma dodging every attack: this is a special technique of Vilma. I dont think, every cognite could do that but some have other abilities. I.e. Victor dont have to dodge something, because he has this armor.

edit: ohhh, and i liked that vol 09 cover! The style was kind of like an american comic but it does look good.

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:05 pm

All right! It's clear now.
I simply misinterpreted the message.
I had read "cognate" as the grammatical rule about universal worlds like drama or hospital, for example (that is, such words are the same in almost every language).
So, there is no relation.

vilma21 · Post by **vilma21** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:07 pm

ah yes each cognate have abiltiy's victor has the armor ability and vilma has the regeneration, like when she lost her arm in vol 9 after killing victor , her near daeth experience had gained her the regenerate ability.
cause victor said " a long lived cognate can undergo several several alterd shock's those who survive develop special abilites which we name satans honor"

victor named his scale armor
but vilma had not named her's what do you think would be a good name for it?
i think perhap's ""fachiri hell pentgenerate""

D-Scape · Post by **D-Scape** » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:59 am

Mmm, the cognates... The most common complain I hear about them is that the use of vampires was a cliché and a "Hellsing ripoff"! Some people should seriously look closer at the function of a character before they go berserk.

I enjoyed the introduction of Vilma and company because I thought it was a clever way to reveal some of the mysteries of the Gunnm-universe. From the start of the original manga I always wondered about the reason behind the post-apocalyptic nature of the setting Alita found herself in. The lack of a clear explanation of this made me anticipate that it would be revealed sooner or later, although I didn't expect to wait 16 volumes. Using immortal (or ancient at least) vampires to tell the story was a twist I didn't expect. You could do worse though.

I've also taken quite a liking to the name Caerula Sanguis. If I ever get a cat I will name her that.

vilma21 · Post by **vilma21** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:55 am

i want a cat too!

oh well

Sergio Nova · Post by **Sergio Nova** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:23 pm

D-Scape wrote:Some people should seriously look closer at the function of a character before they go berserk.

Actually, the usage of vampires is really overexploited.
But, after reading and knowing Vilma, I agree entirely with you. What a great character!

vilma21 · Post by **vilma21** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:08 pm

well im at work my job sadly is not being fun.

i read some ware that a few BAA doujinshi's exciist but still havent ben able to find them and one of the doujinshis is about the cognate and vilma posy baa . im gunna do my best to track it down if any you guy's find it before me post the info hear please in the quest of doujishi!!!!!

Post by **crazyankan** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:35 am

I named my cat after a Hellsing character, Schrödinger.
And also after this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dingers_Cat

denzacar · Post by **denzacar** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:57 am

crazyankan wrote:I named my cat after a Hellsing character, Schrödinger.
And also after this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dingers_Cat

I hope you are not keeping him (it is a he?) in a box.

BTW... does he sleap 23 hours a day?

Post by **crazyankan** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:41 am

yeah, it´s a he

He doesn´t do much more then sleep all day. Sometimes he licks his butt then he goes and eat some food.

denzacar · Post by **denzacar** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:30 pm

crazyankan wrote: He doesn´t do much more then sleep all day. Sometimes he licks his butt then he goes and eat some food.

Aah... an intellectual.

vilma21 · Post by **vilma21** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:19 pm

typical anini maul lol

i have a kitty named lilly but she sure get's into a lot o fight's and got locked in someone's garage once , has had a litter of 7 and like's catnip she's a hippy i love my tiger lily that best cat iv had i also like the fact she dont like childern much, she see into theagravateing children of this generation lol

denzacar · Post by **denzacar** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:24 pm

@vilma21: Seeing your statement above, I must say that once again xkcd has it right.

lastlotus · Post by **lastlotus** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:41 am

Mh, I found an artwork today and my first thought when I saw it was Vilma. Dunno why, am I getting crazy ? Hope not, I hope you can see a similarity as well. The artwork is from Victoria Francés btw.

denzacar · Post by **denzacar** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:53 pm

I see the similarity. Both of them.

In fact... I can't stop staring at her similarities. Damn! Those are SOME similarities.

lastlotus · Post by **lastlotus** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:00 pm

The eyes, right ? :p

Post by **crazyankan** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:04 am

the similar things are snow, big lips and huge boobs

lastlotus · Post by **lastlotus** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:59 am

Hm did Vilma had huge ones ? Cant recall ^^

Gun · Post by **Gun** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:29 am

I really like the cognate stuff. I actually end up changing my hair cut from alita's to vilmas (although my hair is not that long

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